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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on May 3, 2023 13:37:58 GMT
Great question. The popular thing to say is Killers of the Flower Moon, but there are three issues here: (1) The movie is about 3 hours and 30 minutes. That's too long for a modern day Best Picture winner. Best Picture winners tend to be under 2 hours and 30 minutes. I don’t think this is a very relevant stat tbh. I don’t think length is an issue for the voters as much as much as it’s just pretty rare for a 3+ hour movie to be something that enough of them respond positively to. I think length is a hurdle in that regard but the more import factor is if the film is something the voters respond to.
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Post by speeders on May 3, 2023 14:41:21 GMT
I get what you guys are saying but I'm going with Killers of the Flower Moon atm.
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on May 3, 2023 17:24:42 GMT
Probably something from Toronto by a director we barely know that isn’t on our radar yet. But I’ll say Killers of the Flower Moon for now since it’s the mostly likely to at least be in the top 3.
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Post by stabcaesar on May 4, 2023 2:59:16 GMT
2 people voted for EEAAO in the July poll. That's the earliest anyone got it last year. Who are these two prophets and can they DM me their stock market predictions please if they read this? 
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Post by mhynson27 on May 4, 2023 4:31:16 GMT
2 people voted for EEAAO in the July poll. That's the earliest anyone got it last year. Who are these two prophets and can they DM me their stock market predictions please if they read this?  I wish it was me and Stephen to continue the legacy, but alas.
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Post by Billy_Costigan on May 9, 2023 17:16:32 GMT
I'm going with Oppenheimer right now. Nolan is due to win eventually and this feels like a strong contender. It's shorter than Killers of the Flower Moon too, which should help.
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Post by stephen on May 9, 2023 18:50:01 GMT
I actually am torn among half a dozen different directions.
I feel like Killers of the Flower Moon smacks of the early declarative frontrunner that everyone and their mother expects to ride on the legacy of its filmmaker, the way we saw with The Irishman, Once Upon a Time... in Hollywood and The Fabelmans. The thing is, I feel like Scorsese kinda blew his wad with the "It's time!" narrative of his win in 2006, and everything after that has been largely afterglow... but I don't feel there is a general rush to recognize him again. It could happen, absolutely, but I think it's so hard to build on an overdue narrative if you've already won on the back of that before. Scorsese needs to be undeniable this year. And something tells me that despite this film's pedigree and the fact it's been scrutinized for Oscars from the start and it has Apple+ behind it, I'm still gonna predict it gets close but ultimately misses.
Oppenheimer feels like the sort of thing that, if the Academy was ever going to embrace Nolan, now is the time to do it. It is going to be Dune: Part Two's biggest rival with the techs, there is a strong possibility of it being a heavy SAG Ensemble player (because half of Hollywood is in it), and there's enough of a groundswell of support for Nolan out there that I can see him getting that sort of unstoppable buzz. The film just has to sustain it for a longer period of time, and as we saw with Dunkirk, he peaked early when if it had been released later in the year, he might've been able to snatch the win more readily.
Dune: Part Two feels like it could easily go the Return of the King route, and it's arguable that Villeneuve is building up a bit of a narrative himself. The thing is, he's already talking about wanting to do a third film and despite the first film being so dominant with wins, he missed out there. Does he make up for it this time? I would say it's likely he gets the nomination and is potentially in line for the win if it repeats its tech success, but I feel it's likelier we see a Picture/Director split with something else winning Picture.
The Color Purple... I mean, there is obviously a lot of buzz surrounding it and there may be a perception of "righting the mistakes" of the original film's shutout in 1985. Barrino and Brooks are being pencilled in as favourites for their respective categories already, too. The director is a bit of an unknown factor in comparison but that didn't stop Sian Heder when she won for CODA. I think there's definitely something to be said for keeping an eye on this one.
I dunno, I feel like these are the preliminary "top four" that make the most sense at this point. I feel like if I were to call my shot this early on, out of the four, I'd say The Color Purple only because I feel like the first three might be fighting for the same general oxygen and narratives.
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Post by dadsburgers on May 9, 2023 20:04:17 GMT
I'm not sure but I'm predicting it won't be an adaptation/remake.
EEAAO, Coda, Nomadland, Parasite, Shape of Water, and Birdman all have very little in common, except that they are all fully original screenplays. Green Book and Spotlight were inspired by true stories, and Moonlight was based on an unpublished play, but all of the past 9 BP winners were classified as original screenplays by the Academy. No adaptation has won since 12 Years a Slave.
Are we in a phase where the Academy is looking to reward originality? I don't see Color Purple, Dune 2, or Killers of the Flower Moon pulling it off for this reason. I could see them following in the footsteps of All Quiet on the Western Front, Power of the Dog, The Irishman, Joker, A Star Is Born, and many others.
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Post by mhynson27 on May 9, 2023 23:38:16 GMT
I'm not sure but I'm predicting it won't be an adaptation/remake. EEAAO, Coda, Nomadland, Parasite, Shape of Water, and Birdman all have very little in common, except that they are all fully original screenplays. Green Book and Spotlight were inspired by true stories, and Moonlight was based on an unpublished play, but all of the past 9 BP winners were classified as original screenplays by the Academy. No adaptation has won since 12 Years a Slave. Are we in a phase where the Academy is looking to reward originality? I don't see Color Purple, Dune 2, or Killers of the Flower Moon pulling it off for this reason. I could see them following in the footsteps of All Quiet on the Western Front, Power of the Dog, The Irishman, Joker, A Star Is Born, and many others. Nomadland was nominated in Adapted, and CODA won Adapted.
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Post by dadsburgers on May 10, 2023 1:32:22 GMT
I'm not sure but I'm predicting it won't be an adaptation/remake. EEAAO, Coda, Nomadland, Parasite, Shape of Water, and Birdman all have very little in common, except that they are all fully original screenplays. Green Book and Spotlight were inspired by true stories, and Moonlight was based on an unpublished play, but all of the past 9 BP winners were classified as original screenplays by the Academy. No adaptation has won since 12 Years a Slave. Are we in a phase where the Academy is looking to reward originality? I don't see Color Purple, Dune 2, or Killers of the Flower Moon pulling it off for this reason. I could see them following in the footsteps of All Quiet on the Western Front, Power of the Dog, The Irishman, Joker, A Star Is Born, and many others. Nomadland was nominated in Adapted, and CODA won Adapted. Lmao oops well it sounded like a good theory. Still, not a bad rate of original winners in recent years though.
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Post by stabcaesar on May 10, 2023 1:46:04 GMT
I'm not sure but I'm predicting it won't be an adaptation/remake. EEAAO, Coda, Nomadland, Parasite, Shape of Water, and Birdman all have very little in common, except that they are all fully original screenplays. Green Book and Spotlight were inspired by true stories, and Moonlight was based on an unpublished play, but all of the past 9 BP winners were classified as original screenplays by the Academy. No adaptation has won since 12 Years a Slave. Are we in a phase where the Academy is looking to reward originality? I don't see Color Purple, Dune 2, or Killers of the Flower Moon pulling it off for this reason. I could see them following in the footsteps of All Quiet on the Western Front, Power of the Dog, The Irishman, Joker, A Star Is Born, and many others. Moonlight also won adapted.
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Post by Brother Fease on May 10, 2023 14:24:04 GMT
CODA is a remake.
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Post by pacinoyes on May 10, 2023 14:50:24 GMT
Yes, but that's also quite different from The Color Purple - which is overrated on this board as a winner imo - at least it is in May - remaking a US film that is already quite well known and was nodded a lot which is what dadsburger meant (I think?)........I mean using that logic, The Departed was a remake too......but it was also not really......... Not sure how The Color Purple is in the lead over Past Lives atm - when Past Lives we know is going to be received as "great" because people have seen it - and we know it plays to all audiences too........and this Academy just this year blew off every African American prestige pic completely ..........even though they weren't that good anyway (Woman King, Till) Then again, that may just be because I'm seeing Past Lives this month and I'm caught up in the excitement of that
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Post by stephen on May 10, 2023 17:46:49 GMT
Yes, but that's also quite different from The Color Purple - which is overrated on this board as a winner imo - at least it is in May - remaking a US film that is already quite well known and was nodded a lot which is what dadsburger meant (I think?)........I mean using that logic, The Departed was a remake too......but it was also not really......... Not sure how The Color Purple is in the lead over Past Lives atm - when Past Lives we know is going to be received as "great" because people have seen it - and we know it plays to all audiences too........and this Academy just this year blew off every African American prestige pic completely ..........even though they weren't that good anyway (Woman King, Till) Then again, that may just be because I'm seeing Past Lives this month and I'm caught up in the excitement of that One could make the argument that the lack of attention towards films like The Woman King and Till would only serve to give The Color Purple momentum, and while it's dangerous to make comparisons based on surface level, an A24 early release about the Asian immigrant experience winning two years in a row doesn't feel like it would be a strong case for Past Lives taking Best Picture, regardless of how good it is. When you're analyzing these things, you have to think about what the voters are going to trend towards and whether they feel a sense of "been there, done that." I don't know if I can see Past Lives achieving the same narrative that something like Everything Everywhere did, and whether A24 cares enough to promote it the way they did with the Daniels' movie.
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Post by Brother Fease on May 10, 2023 17:59:20 GMT
Yes, but that's also quite different from The Color Purple - which is overrated on this board as a winner imo - at least it is in May - remaking a US film that is already quite well known and was nodded a lot which is what dadsburger meant (I think?)........I mean using that logic, The Departed was a remake too......but it was also not really......... Not sure how The Color Purple is in the lead over Past Lives atm - when Past Lives we know is going to be received as "great" because people have seen it - and we know it plays to all audiences too........and this Academy just this year blew off every African American prestige pic completely ..........even though they weren't that good anyway (Woman King, Till) Then again, that may just be because I'm seeing Past Lives this month and I'm caught up in the excitement of that I like your Past Lives prediction. Something indie and outside the name brand recognition. I haven’t seen the musical version, but the movie was good, but hard to watch. Reminded me of Precious.
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Post by pacinoyes on May 10, 2023 18:12:43 GMT
Yes, but that's also quite different from The Color Purple - which is overrated on this board as a winner imo - at least it is in May - remaking a US film that is already quite well known and was nodded a lot which is what dadsburger meant (I think?)........I mean using that logic, The Departed was a remake too......but it was also not really......... Not sure how The Color Purple is in the lead over Past Lives atm - when Past Lives we know is going to be received as "great" because people have seen it - and we know it plays to all audiences too........and this Academy just this year blew off every African American prestige pic completely ..........even though they weren't that good anyway (Woman King, Till) Then again, that may just be because I'm seeing Past Lives this month and I'm caught up in the excitement of that One could make the argument that the lack of attention towards films like The Woman King and Till would only serve to give The Color Purple momentum, and while it's dangerous to make comparisons based on surface level, an A24 early release about the Asian immigrant experience winning two years in a row doesn't feel like it would be a strong case for Past Lives taking Best Picture, regardless of how good it is. When you're analyzing these things, you have to think about what the voters are going to trend towards and whether they feel a sense of "been there, done that." I don't know if I can see Past Lives achieving the same narrative that something like Everything Everywhere did, and whether A24 cares enough to promote it the way they did with the Daniels' movie. All valid points..........my argument in these things is go with what I know - a lot of people have seen it and love Past Lives so it leads in May for me in the absence of any other evidence....... I don't know that Past Lives is about the Asian immigrant experience actually primarily - and that it is rather more overtly just an effective love story ........to me ithat seems far more likely to be the reaction to last years winner (which always matters of course) rather than "The Woman King being shut out giving The Color Purple momentum".........I think in 2023 simplicity is the reaction to EEAAO being, um, overstuffed .................but agree The Color Purple is on the shortlist of ones that checks a lot of boxes along with it's question marks.........and it certainly has a cushy opening date
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Post by stephen on May 10, 2023 18:21:22 GMT
One could make the argument that the lack of attention towards films like The Woman King and Till would only serve to give The Color Purple momentum, and while it's dangerous to make comparisons based on surface level, an A24 early release about the Asian immigrant experience winning two years in a row doesn't feel like it would be a strong case for Past Lives taking Best Picture, regardless of how good it is. When you're analyzing these things, you have to think about what the voters are going to trend towards and whether they feel a sense of "been there, done that." I don't know if I can see Past Lives achieving the same narrative that something like Everything Everywhere did, and whether A24 cares enough to promote it the way they did with the Daniels' movie. All valid points..........my argument in these things is go with what I know - a lot of people have seen it and love Past Lives so it leads in May for me in the absence of any other evidence....... I don't know that Past Lives is about the Asian immigrant experience actually primarily - and that it is rather more overtly just an effective love story ........to me ithat seems far more likely to be the reaction to last years winner (which always matters of course) rather than "The Woman King being shut out giving The Color Purple momentum".........I think in 2023 simplicity is the reaction to EEAAO being, um, overstuffed .................but agree The Color Purple is on the shortlist of ones that checks a lot of boxes along with it's question marks.........and it certainly has a cushy opening date Past Lives is doing very well but Cannes hasn't even happened yet, much less Venice or TIFF (the friendlier festivals to awards-y fare). The idea that a small A24 film with a predominantly Asian cast being released in the spring managing to outlast all the competition and the win twice in a row -- yes, the films are wildly different in their approaches but A24 had gone to ground for half a decade between their last big Oscar success and last year, where they nearly swept the Big Eight. Are they prepared to do that again? Can they? Or will the Academy, satisfied about one glass ceiling being broken, pivot as they always do?
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on May 14, 2023 3:55:31 GMT
I’m not predicting it but I think The Holdovers is being underestimated. Downsizing is making people forget that Alexander Payne has a really good track record. I can imagine it going to Toronto and doing very well there. Supposedly there was quite the bidding war so it’s probably a crowd pleaser.
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