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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Dec 3, 2022 21:41:01 GMT
I don't know how many sub-threads there have been over the years but it makes sense just to have one catch-all thread for all things Survivor because Jeff Probst ain't stopping any time soon.
If a mod could move the S43 posts in here that'd be cool!
should we kick things off with a top 10 favorite winners?
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Post by mhynson27 on Dec 3, 2022 22:49:56 GMT
1. Fabio 2. Everyone else.
But nah on a real, I'll try and put a list together when I get back from work.
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Post by stephen on Dec 3, 2022 23:00:36 GMT
International seasons included, my favourite winners: 1. Survivor: South Africa - Philippines winner (Tom Swartz) 2. Survivor: Philippines winner (Denise Stapley) 3. Australian Survivor - All Stars winner (David Genat) 4. Survivor: Palau winner (Tom Westman) 5. Survivor: Tocantins winner (J.T. Thomas) 6. Australian Survivor - Champions vs. Contenders II winner (Pia Miranda) 7. Australian Survivor - Brains vs. Brawn winner (Hayley Leake) 8. Survivor: South Africa - Return of the Outcasts winner (Dino Paulo) 9. Survivor: New Zealand - Thailand winner (Lisa Stanger) 10. Survivor: Fiji winner (Earl Cole)
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Post by mhynson27 on Dec 4, 2022 5:48:57 GMT
Alphabetically (keeping in mind I've only properly seen from Samoa onwards): Adam Klein David Genat Denise Stapley Fabio Birza Hayley Leake Jericho Malabonga Natalie Anderson Nick Wilson Pia Miranda Tony Vlachos
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Post by stephen on Dec 4, 2022 14:01:15 GMT
Because I loves my lists, here's a list of who I think played the best winning games: 1. Survivor: South Africa - Island of Secrets (Rob Bentele) 2. Survivor: Palau (Tom Westman) 3. Australian Survivor: All-Stars (David Genat) 4. Survivor: Tocantins (J.T. Thomas) 5. Survivor: One World (Kim Spradlin) 6. Survivor: Winners at War (Tony Vlachos) 7. Survivor: New Zealand - Nicaragua (Avi Duckor-Jones) 8. Survivor: Fiji (Earl Cole) 9. Survivor: David vs. Goliath (Nick Wilson) 10. Survivor: San Juan Del Sur (Natalie Anderson)
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Dec 4, 2022 23:23:29 GMT
I've only seen the American seasons and I don't remember much about some of those earlier ones but here are my picks. 1. Survivor: Micronesia – Fans vs. Favorites Parvati Shallow (Black Widow Brigade is one of the most entertaining alliances in the show's history. She also had a well-rounded post-merge game that involved maintaining her core ladies alliance and picking off the most athletic dudes so she could dominate challenges. Love everything about this season, even Chet!) 2. Survivor: Heroes vs. Villains Sandra Diaz-Twine 3. Survivor: China Todd Herzog 4. Survivor: One World Kim Spradlin 5. Survivor: David vs. Goliath Nick Wilson 6. Survivor: Philippines Denise Stapley 7. Survivor: Fiji Earl Cole 8. Survivor: Caramoan — Fans vs. Favorites John Cochran 9. Survivor: South Pacific Sophie Clarke 10. Survivor: Cook Islands Yul Kwon
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Post by mhynson27 on Dec 5, 2022 1:25:47 GMT
Isn't it "the tribe has spoken"??
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Post by mhynson27 on Dec 9, 2022 22:32:02 GMT
We may very well be witnessing one of the best winning games of all time.
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Post by stephen on Dec 9, 2022 23:36:25 GMT
We may very well be witnessing one of the best winning games of all time. He is guaranteed Final 5 with his hidden idol, but I think he desperately needs to win immunity at F4, because I don't feel good about his fire-making chances against someone like Gabler, and as great a game as he has played up to that point, I think he's exposed himself. I still think Jesse is the final boss; the trophy that the eventual winner claims.
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Post by mhynson27 on Dec 9, 2022 23:50:35 GMT
We may very well be witnessing one of the best winning games of all time. He is guaranteed Final 5 with his hidden idol, but I think he desperately needs to win immunity at F4, because I don't feel good about his fire-making chances against someone like Gabler, and as great a game as he has played up to that point, I think he's exposed himself. I still think Jesse is the final boss; the trophy that the eventual winner claims. I'll be so mad if he doesn't win tbh.
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Post by stephen on Dec 10, 2022 0:07:38 GMT
He is guaranteed Final 5 with his hidden idol, but I think he desperately needs to win immunity at F4, because I don't feel good about his fire-making chances against someone like Gabler, and as great a game as he has played up to that point, I think he's exposed himself. I still think Jesse is the final boss; the trophy that the eventual winner claims. I'll be so mad if he doesn't win tbh. As someone riding the Gabler train, I'd be fine with Jesse losing. But yeah, as long as it isn't Owen or Cassidy (the former because that would be a bitter jury more than anything else, the latter because her edit was so garbage that it just perpetuates a trend of women getting shitty edits when they play quieter games; even Erika had more agency and more focus in the post-merge than Cassidy does). I do like all five members left, though.
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Post by MacLinney on Dec 10, 2022 10:03:29 GMT
We may very well be witnessing one of the best winning games of all time. He is guaranteed Final 5 with his hidden idol, but I think he desperately needs to win immunity at F4, because I don't feel good about his fire-making chances against someone like Gabler, and as great a game as he has played up to that point, I think he's exposed himself. I still think Jesse is the final boss; the trophy that the eventual winner claims. I agree that he really needs that F4 win. No way he's losing if he makes it to FTC - and definitely not if he gets there through fire - so I think he's either the winner or he goes at fire. My problem with the "final boss" storyline is that winning fire-making really shouldn't be that much of a feather in your cap unless you're the immunity winner and you place yourself there to take out the biggest remaining threat. If, say, Owen wins final immunity, takes Cass to the end and pits Gabler vs. Jesse at fire, I really don't see that as a major get for Gabler. He's randomly better in this one situation that someone else puts him in? I'm just not impressed by that! A final three of Owen, Cassidy, Gabler after that scenario... Damn, that's underwhelming. It's hard to imagine anyone other than Karla leaving at 5, unless Jesse makes a move with his idol . Considering Jesse has been crap at challenges so far, it'd be wild if he squeezed out a F4 immunity win just when he needs it the most. If any of the other three win it, they'd be insane not to have him make fire. And then, the only way I'd really feel like we got a worthy winner would be if the immunity winner did an Underwood. Very curious to see how this pans out. Definitely rooting for Jesse.
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Post by stephen on Dec 10, 2022 14:44:49 GMT
He is guaranteed Final 5 with his hidden idol, but I think he desperately needs to win immunity at F4, because I don't feel good about his fire-making chances against someone like Gabler, and as great a game as he has played up to that point, I think he's exposed himself. I still think Jesse is the final boss; the trophy that the eventual winner claims. I agree that he really needs that F4 win. No way he's losing if he makes it to FTC - and definitely not if he gets there through fire - so I think he's either the winner or he goes at fire. My problem with the "final boss" storyline is that winning fire-making really shouldn't be that much of a feather in your cap unless you're the immunity winner and you place yourself there to take out the biggest remaining threat. If, say, Owen wins final immunity, takes Cass to the end and pits Gabler vs. Jesse at fire, I really don't see that as a major get for Gabler. He's randomly better in this one situation that someone else puts him in? I'm just not impressed by that! A final three of Owen, Cassidy, Gabler after that scenario... Damn, that's underwhelming. It's hard to imagine anyone other than Karla leaving at 5, unless Jesse makes a move with his idol . Considering Jesse has been crap at challenges so far, it'd be wild if he squeezed out a F4 immunity win just when he needs it the most. If any of the other three win it, they'd be insane not to have him make fire. And then, the only way I'd really feel like we got a worthy winner would be if the immunity winner did an Underwood. Very curious to see how this pans out. Definitely rooting for Jesse.I actually think that Karla's hand might make her more appealing to take to F4 because she probably can't make fire with it, and I think Jesse is absolutely going to target Cassidy going into F5. That would make narrative sense with Karla's story, as I think she's our runner-up who gets raked over the coals for burning bridges (James, Sami, Cassidy). If Cass goes at 5 and Jesse loses fire at 4, then you're left with Owen, Gabler and Karla. All Gabler has to do is point out the way he's played, how he's planted seeds (the show gives him credit for awakening Jesse to the idea that he needs to cut Cody, and we get so much strategic insight into how he's playing the game that it can't be a coincidence. Maybe they're leaving those clues because he's a good confessionalist and they want some drama going into FTC, but I dunno, I think that without Jesse in the finals, Gabler would have the edge (no votes cast against him the whole game, he was on the right side of the vote every time except for Dwight, and the show has gone out of its way to highlight that no one thinks he's an easy beat at the end). Right now, I think Jesse's biggest fish to fry has to be Cassidy at 5 and then maybe Karla at 4 if he wins there, but I think if he fails to win that final immunity, then he'll be seen as the David Wright/Rick Devens of the season: the fallen angel who by rights should have won, but couldn't seal the deal in the end.
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Post by mhynson27 on Dec 11, 2022 14:52:25 GMT
Closest I've been to Survivor royalty.
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Post by stephen on Dec 11, 2022 15:08:12 GMT
THE GOLDEN GOD.
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Post by mhynson27 on Dec 12, 2022 3:59:28 GMT
Also only realised when I got home, Phoebe on the left filming him.
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Post by stephen on Dec 15, 2022 13:56:44 GMT
He did it. The crazy son-of-a-bitch, he did it.
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Post by mhynson27 on Dec 15, 2022 14:58:19 GMT
Painnnnnnnnnnnnn
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Post by stephen on Dec 15, 2022 15:00:27 GMT
The look on Cassidy's face as the votes were being read will live forever in my mind. She thought she was playing the game Gabler was, but she didn't have the evidence to back it up. Gabler played a textbook under-the-radar social game, probably one of the very best if I'm being honest. The edit made him look like a goof but he laid out his strategy from the start and we saw him applying that strategy every step of the way. Cassidy wanted to play a stealthy game but she kept getting targeted and even though she won clutch immunities, she never directed any votes and was purely reactionary.
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Post by mhynson27 on Dec 15, 2022 20:02:40 GMT
The look on Cassidy's face as the votes were being read will live forever in my mind. She thought she was playing the game Gabler was, but she didn't have the evidence to back it up. Gabler played a textbook under-the-radar social game, probably one of the very best if I'm being honest. The edit made him look like a goof but he laid out his strategy from the start and we saw him applying that strategy every step of the way. Cassidy wanted to play a stealthy game but she kept getting targeted and even though she won clutch immunities, she never directed any votes and was purely reactionary. Out of the final 3, I'll take a Gabler win. I was just too goddamn invested in my boi Jesse.
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Post by stephen on Dec 15, 2022 20:07:45 GMT
The look on Cassidy's face as the votes were being read will live forever in my mind. She thought she was playing the game Gabler was, but she didn't have the evidence to back it up. Gabler played a textbook under-the-radar social game, probably one of the very best if I'm being honest. The edit made him look like a goof but he laid out his strategy from the start and we saw him applying that strategy every step of the way. Cassidy wanted to play a stealthy game but she kept getting targeted and even though she won clutch immunities, she never directed any votes and was purely reactionary. Out of the final 3, I'll take a Gabler win. I was just too goddamn invested in my boi Jesse. I just knew it wasn't gonna happen. Jesse felt like the Cirie/David Wright of the season: the great strategist who is so unbelievably inventive in his gameplay that people would decry as the robbed fallen angel. The thing is, I do think he fucked up by targeting Karla instead of Cassidy at F5. Karla's bum ankle and hand was going to mean she was going to be weaker in challenges (and likely fire). Owen might still have won, but he doesn't put Gabler in fire against Jesse and who knows how things shake out there. But I think Jesse blundered at F5.
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Post by stephen on Dec 16, 2022 16:04:08 GMT
Honestly, once the shock wears off, I think people are going to come around on Gabler's win as a social masterclass in playing the middle. It's textbook. It might not be flashy, but it didn't need to be. Gabler made strong bonds with every single member of the jury, he knew exactly what type of game he was playing and he owned it. He didn't put himself down the way Owen kept doing (if you're not hyping yourself up, why would you expect the jury to?) and didn't misinterpret his own game the way Cassidy did (Cassidy really didn't play too different a game from Gabler on paper, but she misread what she thought the jury wanted and I think she failed to realize that in openly denying Owen the chance to go to fire against Jesse and putting it in Gabler's hands, she showed she had no idea how Gabler was perceived and that made her the final victim of the Alligabler).
Palm fronds and Elie bomb aside, I don't think Gabler played terribly erratically. His game is very reminiscent of Sandra's Pearl Islands win (something he cited in his exit press), and I think as we get some distance from the season, people will come around not just to 43 as a whole, but Gabler's victory in particular. I don't think he's a bottom-tier winner at all. He didn't fall into the win by accident. He was just a goofy guy that no one took seriously . . . and he used that to his advantage. He didn't need immunities to get to the end the way Fabio and Bob did; he didn't need idols; he didn't even need to drive votes. He just planted seeds and walked away from the explosions.
Jesse obviously would've been a more impressive winner given his inventive gameplay, but I think Gabler's post-merge should be studied by every future player because that was immaculate.
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Post by stephen on Mar 3, 2023 16:42:26 GMT
Survivor 44 just started and holy shit, what a premiere. A lot of fun little editing tricks (kicking off with Carolyn's flubbed first interview was genius). I was sad to see Bruce get medevaced (not just because he was on my draft team), but I hope he gets to return someday, maybe in a Philippines-esque captains season with Pat from DvG.
Also, that first tribal was hilarious.
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Post by mhynson27 on Mar 3, 2023 22:50:25 GMT
Survivor 44 just started and holy shit, what a premiere. A lot of fun little editing tricks (kicking off with Carolyn's flubbed first interview was genius). I was sad to see Bruce get medevaced (not just because he was on my draft team), but I hope he gets to return someday, maybe in a Philippines-esque captains season with Pat from DvG. Also, that first tribal was hilarious. Jeff has already said that Bruce has an open invitation back.
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Post by stephen on Mar 4, 2023 0:11:03 GMT
It’s harder to do a leaderboard per week as opposed to AU Survivor when we have three times the episode content to make judgments, but here goes:
1. Claire. She sussed out that Matt wasn’t entirely forthcoming and reached out across tribal lines to Matthew to tell him that Lauren was potentially lying about the summit. She seems to be making good inroads with the rest of her tribe as well. It’s early days yet, but I feel very good for Claire as a long-term player.
2. Sarah. She has perhaps the most OP advantage the series has ever had, if she plays it at the right time. She also seems to have a strong trio going on her tribe. If they don’t get Sarah out early days, she might be a real problem down the line.
3. Heidi. I know we only really saw her making fire, but I feel like that was a really big positive moment that I think we needed to pay attention to. “Tiny but mighty” . . . sounds an awful lot like “from lamb to lion”, doesn’t it? Erika comparisons aside, I think someone like Heidi could slip through the cracks and I feel like she’s got a solid mind behind her. Definitely someone to keep an eye on.
4. Brandon. Honestly, I think playing that idol and ousting Maddy was the best thing that could’ve happened to him. He starts fresh, he’s got Matthew and probably Jaime on side, and Lauren probably won’t want to rock the boat too much. Kane’s really the only one on that tribe really screwed by this first tribal. Brandon might be sitting pretty for a while.
5. Matthew. He’s already got people reaching out to him (Claire), and he seems to be well-liked by his tribe. His SITD play, I think, was a good way to save face with Brandon as well as to protect against a potential vote-split (as he is injured and it was stupid to think Brandon wouldn’t play a public idol to get the target off his back). Problem is, his injury might’ve cost him short-term gains; he’ll need to survive to the merge and then pull a Tyson if he can.
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