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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 11, 2024 20:41:07 GMT
Top 4 QBs under most pressure in 2024. pacinoyes ibbi - who do you have? k, Allen, Lamar, and Rodgers. The only one of those I can see the fans not turning on if they lose early in the playoffs is Allen. The rest their fans are gonna turn on badly if they don't get to the conference championship game, or even a Super Bowl. But Allen for his reputation sake. He's considered Top 3 but has never really done anything considering the Bills have been the class of AFC in the last 4 years. Deshaun is one to me.........I mean you can literally measure what they gave up and that trade off........also my cousins in Philly have about had it with Hurts tbh....also there's this headscratching development Jalen Hurts topped the NFL Players Association's year-end list of the top 50 players in merchandise sales, which was released Monday. More fans bought the Eagles quarterback's merchandise than any other player in the NFL this season, up from the fifth in 2022-23.1 hour ago
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Post by tylosaur on Jun 12, 2024 0:29:40 GMT
Top 4 QBs under most pressure in 2024. pacinoyes ibbi - who do you have? I got Dak, Allen, Lamar, and Rodgers. The only one of those I can see the fans not turning on if they lose early in the playoffs is Allen. The rest their fans are gonna turn on badly if they don't get to the conference championship game, or even a Super Bowl. But Allen for his reputation sake. He's considered Top 3 but has never really done anything considering the Bills have been the class of AFC in the last 4 years. This question hits me right in the sphincter so I have to take a crack at it. First off, I think if I'm a quarterback in the NFL it's fair to say that I'd feel under the most pressure in 2024 if I'm in a "Will I lose my job/career if I don't perform well this year" spot over reputation "Will fans view me more as an Andy Dalton/Dan Marino over John Elway/Payton Manning if I have another great regular season/crappy playoffs" pressure. Since 2010 where the rules have been tweaked and changed to favor the Quarterback, as long as they can put up good stats and have continued regular season success, they'll get paid and have career longevity. Career longevity is the ultimate pressure for all players (and coaches, GMs, etc.) in the NFL moreso than legacy tarnish over not winning a championship. Because of that I'm actually on the other side of Allen and Prescott than you, I think they are two quarterbacks facing some of the least amount of pressure going into this season: Prescott has all the leverage going into his contract year. Like Kirk Cousins, he's going to play well enough and put up the stats to get his butt paid. If Jerry lets him walk, great!, someone is going to pay him like Cousins last year. Who is out there for Jerry to sign that would give them more regular season success than Dak? Zach Wilson? Jerry is being stingy right now over paying everyone else right now and if he keeps it up, that money will just go to Dak's new deal. The only way Dak loses here is if he plays terrible from start-to-finish to just 4-wins and they draft a top-Quarterback. But there are no signs his play has diminished to New England Patriots Cam Newton levels. He's going to play well enough to get himself a bag and long-term contract just doing what he does every goddamn year: just be great enough but not an ounce more without breaking a sweat. His situation is pressure free: fire fat McCarthy if team performs under expectations or have the media blame GM Jerry for not really going all-in on signing anybody this off-season. Particularly with Allen, I don't buy that discontentment over another disappointing postseason by fans will add an enormous pressure that will affect him in any meaningful way. If anything, with all the fantasy football, best ball, dynasty leagues, daily fantasy, etc. he is more forgiven for his lack of postseason success because he puts up the numbers for so many people in fantasy and gambling. He's still ranked #2 behind Mahomes in the majority of these QB rankings and he puts up Top 5 stats every year. Allen hasn't even burned a get-out-of-jail-free card yet. Even if it finally goes south for the team this season for the first time in 5-6 years, the scapegoats/excuses will be on everyone else: the Head Coach will finally be fired, the GM will be blamed for no star-WR Diggs replacement, Defense coming up short, etc. I think Allen is currently on the Marino trajectory where history atm and after he's done will be kind to him despite the postseason flops based on his high-level of continued regular season success. Sorry long-winded, time to get to my picks: I agree with you on Rodgers. Entering his 2nd-year of likely a 2-year only window. His age and diminished mobility are going to be working heavily against him. This is a win-now team, particularly with this defense that will need to be paid in the next couple of years. Is this the year where his arm finally turns into a noodle the way Manning, Roethlisberger, Newton, etc. did at the end of their run. Another win-now team that I think has it put-together in every area except for QB is Cleveland. Although I believe the contract that Watson currently has him locked in at least another year with no-danger of being replaced, I think this feels like the weirdest "make-or-break" year for a QB that's not in a true "make-or-break" year. It's non-sensical but I think if he's a dud once again and he can't get his team to the postseason a year removed where the backups exceled in his absence, I think ownership next offseason will mentally move on and start figuring a different direction to go for QB. My #1 2024 under pressure QB, by a gazillion miles, is RUSSELL LET'S RIDE WILSON. His contract is such a nothingburger deal to the point where he can realistically be cut in the preseason without it mattering at all. Sure Wilson is the presumed starter, there's no guarantee that he'll make the roster. Wilson has ZERO room for error; zero room for crap play, zero room for being an alienating teammate, zero room for Russell Wilson personality shenanigans because the contract is absolutely inconsequential to the Steelers. This is it for Wilson as a starter in the NFL, he needs to show out immediately more than any other starting QB this season. If Fields beats him out in the preseason or replaces him in the regular season, I'm willing to bet they cut him over keeping him as a backup. A lot of pressure in particular for Minshew and Daniel Jones. Both quarterbacks need to be awesome/make playoffs for crap teams in order for them to be starters next year. With Jones in particular, I think we're going to see Drew Lock start a few games in the 2nd half based on Lock's contract, reporting on his role/teams feelings towards Jones. If you have Jones on your dynasty league, find that sucker GM quick, you're probably already too late. I get the feeling that even if Jones plays well enough this season, the Giants will still move on from him unless they make the postseason. Bryce Young had such a terrible year one that I think the organization will look elsewhere if we get another repeat this year. It really seems like his height compared to the other players really is making the difference. I think the pressure to succeed there with his limitation is tremendous. I personally believe he'll crack and the Panthers embarrassingly draft a QB next year. My four: Wilson, Rodgers, Jones, YoungOther HM aside from Watson and Minshew, I considered: Tua, Lawrence and (to a lesser extent) Herbert. I think these three are more susceptible to outside pressure over their regular season ineptitude. They'll be fine this year but if these guys have continued disappointing seasons, we can point to maybe this year finally being the year where things go sour for them. They're all in danger of being Ryan Tannehill Miami Dolphins, 6-7 years of being on the same team with nothing to show for it. Herbert gets these Favre/Marino comparisons but he's done far less for the Chargers at this point than Rivers. Herbert is now on his 3rd head coach (or 4th?), so maybe he's the problem. He seems to lack a killer instinct in the 4th quarter. He's the one, not Allen, where I think outside expectation pressures could be a factor enough for him and the organization to matter. Stroud and Love are interesting candidates pressure-wise. Both had wonderful 1st seasons and playoff wins. Both exceeded expectations so greatly it feels like people are penciling them in for even greater returns this season. Can't think of any instances atm of a QB had one awesome season than came crashing down hard the following year. Wentz and Foles? Imagine if either Stroud/Love start the season 1-3? The pressures to meet the heights of their great 1st seasons might be one of the bigger pressure-cookers for QBs this season.
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Post by countjohn on Jun 12, 2024 1:53:32 GMT
Lamar and Allen are under the most pressure, anything short of winning a title will be considered a disappointment, especially in Buffalo with the history there. Dak close behind but I think if he has a great year and they at least make it back to the conference championship game Cowboy fans won't be too mad at him at this point.
Don't really think Rodgers is on that level. The Jets have been inept for so long they'll be doing cartwheels to even make the playoffs and anything after that is gravy. Plus Rodgers is 40 years old coming off a serious injury, he has a pretty easy "out" if he bombs. No excuses for the above guys.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Jun 12, 2024 5:26:56 GMT
Top 4 QBs under most pressure in 2024. pacinoyes ibbi - who do you have? I got Dak, Allen, Lamar, and Rodgers. The only one of those I can see the fans not turning on if they lose early in the playoffs is Allen. The rest their fans are gonna turn on badly if they don't get to the conference championship game, or even a Super Bowl. But Allen for his reputation sake. He's considered Top 3 but has never really done anything considering the Bills have been the class of AFC in the last 4 years. This question hits me right in the sphincter so I have to take a crack at it. LMAO.... holyyyee. I didn't expect me asking a simple Queen/David Bowie question about NFL quarterbacks would yield one of the longer posts in MAR history. Well.... if you're asking " who's in danger of losing their jobs?" That's another.... discussion. I went more on a line of thought of "Who's legacy might be destroyed more?" So I went only with QBs in the #2-7 range of rankings. Who's in danger of losing their jobs is Daniel Jones, Geno Smith, Gardner Minshew (if he even wins it), Sam Darnold (could lose it to McCarthy very early on), Derek Carr, Jarrett Stidham, and Deshaun Watson. In Watson's case, the haterade by Browns fans are starting to materalize. You have one sect calling him a pervert, washed up, and bashing his gigantic contract for the worst returns of any QB in the league. And he can't stay on the field. Then there's the other sect defending his past pedigree and suggesting that the Browns give him more time. But it's hard to imagine them giving him any more time than next year, because they have a great defense that unfortunately stunk it up against the Texans. But still, the pieces remain there for improvement, and realistically could take the next level. Also, I think the Browns are the kinda team that could reach great heights even without tremendous QB play, so all those things could make you wonder if that Deshaun Watson deal was very good business, or not. I also kinda think Jalen Hurts is kinda too. Because Eagles fans are not reasonable. They never get attached to the QB anyways, or think their franchise ever depends on top QB play. They won a Super Bowl with Foles, so they can do it with a reasonably cheap QB. At least with Dak, you have the defenders in the fanbase who are more Dak fans than Cowboys fans. And the media who blames Jerry for his poor free agent handlings, their history of 30 year blunders, McCarthy, the running game, the defense, and the playoff no show of Parsons. If things go south in Philly, I can see them taking on dead money for a QB change, and Sirianni is certainly gone. Agreed on Dak's leverage. He has more leverage than anyone in the league right now. He'll get paid somewhere. Even if he bombs for some reason, I can still see a scenario where the league interprets it as a fluke year and still chalk up a ton of cash (tho maybe not market setting cash) to see if he just might work out, somewhere. I do think, however, he is a superior QB than Cousins. I know people like to lump them together, but I think Dak is just better. Dak is a stat monster, Cousins is a stats capable. Dak dominates in the regular season, Cousins wilts under the Primetime window. Dak is a legitimate MVP contender, Cousins can do most QB things well - but he just can't string together an amazing consecutive stretch of play. Dak just folds in the playoffs, but he's not the only one (Allen, Jackson, Rodgers). Herbert is just out of excuses now that he actually has a great coach and nobody left to scapegoat. Wilson is probably not under too much pressure. His contract is easily movable for sure, but as long as they do the minimum (10 wins), they'll give him another year. But if they could do that with Mason Trupickettsky and pretty much any mediocre QB you can think of, it's hard to imagine them not getting at least that. And agreed on the short window for Rodgers, and especially the team - who's had a tremendous roster for the coming 3rd year now with nothing to show for it. Add the delusion from Jets fans, and their expectations. And given I think the Jets have a superior roster than the Bills, they have to at least topple their division rivals this year. A lot is gonna ride on Rodgers' shoulders. If the defense fails, he has an excuse. But if the defense plays well, and the offensive struggles continue..... NY and national media is gonna rip Rodgers apart.
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Post by ibbi on Jun 12, 2024 14:13:29 GMT
Top 4 QBs under most pressure in 2024. pacinoyes ibbi - who do you have? I got Dak, Allen, Lamar, and Rodgers. The only one of those I can see the fans not turning on if they lose early in the playoffs is Allen. The rest their fans are gonna turn on badly if they don't get to the conference championship game, or even a Super Bowl. But Allen for his reputation sake. He's considered Top 3 but has never really done anything considering the Bills have been the class of AFC in the last 4 years. Dak and Lamar seem like as decent picks as anyone, but then it depends how their regular seasons go. If they have MVP level seasons again I don't know that people will be too harsh on them if come the playoffs they're just not good enough. If they're actively terrible that's another issue. I feel like Allen is mayyyyybe in a similar position, but he better not be They got a good team, but he is still carrying it as far as it goes, especially when half the D succumbs to injury. Unless Rodgers does terribly I can't see him being under the same pressure, but I could see him retiring. I know the Jets had high expectations last year, but they're still the Jets. If they have a winning season and even make it to the playoffs they'll surely be pretty happy. I would hope HURTS is under pressure if he has another season like he did last year, which he likely will. Will be tough for them with that contract they gave him to move on though, surely. I'd think Russell Wilson is surely on Last Chance Blvd. too.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Jun 28, 2024 13:02:16 GMT
What is this guy (Steelers fan) smoking putting Hurts at #3?
1. Mahomes 2. Jackson 3. Hurts 4. Allen 5. Stafford 6. Dak 7. Love 8. Stroud 9. Burrow 10. Purdy
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Post by countjohn on Jun 28, 2024 16:07:57 GMT
Stafford at 5 and Love at 7 are pretty weird too unless he's ranking Love on future projection.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Jul 2, 2024 18:52:08 GMT
This in order from left to right, down one row, then left to right order again
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 9, 2024 21:00:14 GMT
Stop the Threepeat
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jul 23, 2024 19:03:45 GMT
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Jul 23, 2024 19:06:44 GMT
I definitely get the vibe that he is at least bi-curious - that hair color confirms it. Joaquim - Are we still doing the Hot or Not poll?
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Post by Joaquim on Jul 23, 2024 22:38:42 GMT
I definitely get the vibe that he is at least bi-curious - that hair color confirms it. Joaquim - Are we still doing the Hot or Not poll? We are still doing it, pls excuse my laziness
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 24, 2024 20:06:07 GMT
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 28, 2024 18:22:21 GMT
I definitely get the vibe that he is at least bi-curious - that hair color confirms it. Still playng it close to the vest atm As for the trending topic of Burrow's hair and why he changed it up, well that was simply boredom.
"I got bored, that's about it," he said of the reasoning behind his new do, which is a different color and cut from each of his previous years in the league.
He was also nudged to do it by 310-pound defensive tackle B.J. Hill, whom Burrow said must now follow suit with the same look.
www.nfl.com/news/bengals-qb-joe-burrow-explains-viral-bleach-blond-buzzcut-i-got-bored
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Post by urbanpatrician on Aug 3, 2024 19:08:25 GMT
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 14, 2024 20:13:42 GMT
Gotta love August.......everyone is filled with so much hope
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Aug 14, 2024 20:55:08 GMT
I’m fading this dude hard in fantasy this year
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Post by ibbi on Sept 8, 2024 19:54:19 GMT
This loser just lost to the New England Patriots at home in his big comeback. We either have to merge this thread with the NFL one, or lock thread/ban OP.
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Sept 8, 2024 20:03:55 GMT
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Post by urbanpatrician on Sept 10, 2024 23:58:24 GMT
countjohn pacinoyes ibbi MAR football guys thoughts on Week 1 Mahomes Mountain? I think Lamar and Burrow should switch places. You don't get to lose to the Patriots - have 10 points, and still stay in the Top 6
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 11, 2024 0:04:57 GMT
Look at that Rodgers, Carr, Hurts, Cousins row .........you have to make A LOT of $$$ to be in that neighborhood I guess..........
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Post by countjohn on Sept 11, 2024 5:03:54 GMT
That's way too low for Lamar, he's the clear no. 2 to Mahomes to me. Definitely worried about Burrow, maybe all the injuries have permanently diminished him.
LOL at Rodgers, if he's truly washed this year I'm going to love watching it as a Vikings fan, would be fun to wreck him when we play the Jets in what might be his final game against us.
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Post by ibbi on Sept 11, 2024 10:09:26 GMT
countjohn pacinoyes ibbi MAR football guys thoughts on Week 1 Mahomes Mountain? I think Lamar and Burrow should switch places. You don't get to lose to the Patriots - have 10 points, and still stay in the Top 6 Is it just based on week 1, or meant to be general? the former almost makes more sense It is truly baffling having Burrow that high either way given he was not healthy or good for more than maybe a game last season before going down, and this season was shut out for 3 quarters by the Pats. He should be in a similar spot to Rodgers, who also did jack shit last year. Lamar below Dak makes no sense given the only thing you can hold against Jackson (playoffs) you can clearly also hold against Prescott. The Prince seems low to me, given he seemed pretty good last year till he started getting the shit beat out of him in the last month of the season. Surely anyone with sense can see Baker Mayfield's success is artificially inflated! Certainly doesn't deserve to be above Tua, who certainly has his own faults. I think Richardson has looked pretty good in the 5 games he's played in his career, but he's literally played 5 games in his career, how is he that high?? Especially over someone like Kyler Murray, who may spend more time playing Call of Duty than football these days, but seems to me to look pretty fucking great whenever he takes to the field. Caleb that much higher than Jayden is also pretty crazy. Anyway, at least Stroud and Hurts are where they belong.
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Post by Joaquim on Sept 11, 2024 18:11:21 GMT
countjohn pacinoyes ibbi MAR football guys thoughts on Week 1 Mahomes Mountain? I think Lamar and Burrow should switch places. You don't get to lose to the Patriots - have 10 points, and still stay in the Top 6 If THE PRINCE was allowed to throw the ball more than 1 time after Etienne’s goal line fumble he’d be higher up the mountain - and that 1 pass was a fucking terrible drop by Christian Kirk. He did have 2 more drop backs after that - and got sacked twice Just boggles my mind how TLaw has one of the best deep balls in the league and Doug Pederson/Press Taylor continue to insist on RUN-RUN-SCREEN PASS as their offensive philosophy This is TLaw’s 4th year in the league now. If he’s the guy he’s supposed to be then it’s time to tell his coaches to fuck off and start calling his own plays at the line of scrimmage
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Post by urbanpatrician on Sept 15, 2024 23:33:29 GMT
Thank you Mahomes. Keeping this douchebag at 0-2.This guy just rubs me the wrong way. The Ionescu and LeBron James of the NFL.
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