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Post by hugobolso on Sept 16, 2022 18:03:24 GMT
He prooves that Obama is hypocrite. Of course he is, after all he is a polititian. Every people in this f...ng world should knew it.- This is like the tale of the emperor's suit. the king is naked. Everybody seen this.- well no, because the elitist libs of Martha's Vinyard rallied together to respond with kindness and decency. DeSantis called them on their bluff and they answered. They were all expelled from there, now they are in a military camp!!!
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Post by hugobolso on Sept 16, 2022 18:13:43 GMT
As if the Democrats really cared about black lives matter.- It's all a childish political game, where there are no innocent people here. All politicians and activists to a greater or lesser extent are guilty. De Santis only returns favors. It's stupid what he and Abbot did, of course, but it's hilarious to watch this show worthy of Cecil B. De Mille.- Defending democratic politicians and elitist progressives as decent and kind people is practically the same as defending the owner of a slave plantation.
From my childhood I learn to never defend a wasp (even if he/she is black, trasgender and catholic) virtuous signs.-
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Post by quetee on Sept 16, 2022 18:16:43 GMT
How tacky:
One migrant told a local media outlet that he was promised a job if he got on the flight in Texas
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Sept 16, 2022 18:18:18 GMT
How tacky: One migrant told a local media outlet that he was promised a job if he got on the flight in Texasthis "Perla" person allegedly paid one of these people $200 to recruit other migrants into voluntarily boarding the plane.
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Post by hugobolso on Sept 16, 2022 18:23:20 GMT
How tacky: One migrant told a local media outlet that he was promised a job if he got on the flight in Texasthis "Perla" person allegedly paid one of these people $200 to recruit other migrants into voluntarily boarding the plane. If they are legal immigrants, this remains a mere anecdote. Now if these were illegal...
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Post by dazed on Sept 16, 2022 18:24:44 GMT
well, desantis is right about one thing. those blue states will take care of the migrants better than the red states would (esp the sanctuary ones).
the kindness they were met with backfired hard for him lmao, this is actually such a gimme for the dems
the fact that taxpayers dollars were used for this stunt too đź’€
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2022 19:33:17 GMT
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Post by Joaquim on Sept 16, 2022 21:35:44 GMT
It took 31 posts for someone to bring up the holocaust comparisons? I’m a bit disappointed in you guys
But yea I didn’t know they had death camps in Martha’s Vineyard. If a vacation to Martha’s Vineyard is the equivalent of the fucking holocaust you can sign my Portuguese-Venezuelan half breed ass up
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2022 21:48:37 GMT
It took 31 posts for someone to bring up the holocaust comparisons? I’m a bit disappointed in you guys But yea I didn’t know they had death camps in Martha’s Vineyard. If the death camps were anything like Martha’s Vineyard you can sign my Portuguese-Venezuelan half breed ass up Did you even watch the video? You’re missing the point Burns was making…
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Post by Joaquim on Sept 16, 2022 21:52:33 GMT
It took 31 posts for someone to bring up the holocaust comparisons? I’m a bit disappointed in you guys But yea I didn’t know they had death camps in Martha’s Vineyard. If the death camps were anything like Martha’s Vineyard you can sign my Portuguese-Venezuelan half breed ass up Did you even watch the video? You’re missing the point Burns was making… Do you have any idea how disrespectful it is to actual holocaust victims and their families to compare an all expense paid trip to one of the richest, most extravagant neighborhoods in the country - basically the polar opposite of a jewish ghetto - to the mass extermination of 6 million people?
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 16, 2022 21:57:29 GMT
Not gonna lie - I started this thread thinking it would get into a nuanced debate about how America - not just us - sees what DeSantis and Abbott did........ and what our immigration policy should be in general......but alas, mostly no..... I'll keep trying though - I swear to God if there's 2 things I do before I die (um) - I'm going to get this board to like some decent fncking new Rock bands ......... and I'm gonna make this hellhole of a Politics board a genuine place of civil discourse and nuanced political thought ......um........before our inevitable, impending Civil War I mean
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2022 21:58:49 GMT
Did you even watch the video? You’re missing the point Burns was making… Do you have any idea how disrespectful it is to actual holocaust victims and their families to compare an all expense paid trip to one of the richest, most extravagant neighborhoods in the country - basically the polar opposite of a jewish ghetto - to the mass extermination of 6 million people? So the answer is no…?
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Post by cherry68 on Sept 16, 2022 22:03:38 GMT
Not gonna lie - I started this thread thinking it would get into a nuanced debate about how America - not just us - sees what DeSantis and Abbott did........ and what our immigration policy should be in general......but alas, mostly no..... I'll keep trying though - I swear to God if there's 2 things I do before I die (um) - I'm going to get this board to like some decent fncking new Rock bands ......... and I'm gonna make this hellhole of a Politics board a genuine place of civil discourse and nuanced political thought ......um........before our inevitable, impending Civil War I mean I guess you expect to be immortal.
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Post by Brother Fease on Sept 16, 2022 22:33:46 GMT
There is no way nice to put this: It's cruel. They are using poor people as political pawns. Republicans continue to be "the party of mean". I can perfectly understand the concept of border state governors and representatives being frustrated, exhausted and overwhelmed with too many migrants and illegal immigrants coming into their state. But at the same time, it needs to be done in a fair and agreeable fashion. DeSantis and Abbott are simply using poor people for their own political agenda -- both up for re-election. They don't offer any sane or logical suggestions. Simply using the words "open borders" doesn't mean anything. Are they upset that the Biden Administration and the Congress are not sending enough economic support? Do they feel not enough states and cities are offering to take in migrants waiting for due process?
Let me also make it clear that I understand the need to "spread the love here". But lying to the migrants and illegals, and not warning these cities ahead of time is the very definition of wrong. I would be even go as far as saying "heartless", "cruel", and living up to regressive right standards.
If you disagree with me, ask yourself this: Is it morally right to use poor people as political pawns? I would say no. But then again, I don't subscribe to this new Republican Party aka "the party of mean".
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Post by Film Socialism on Sept 16, 2022 22:33:59 GMT
Not gonna lie - I started this thread thinking it would get into a nuanced debate about how America - not just us - sees what DeSantis and Abbott did........ and what our immigration policy should be in general......but alas, mostly no..... I'll keep trying though - I swear to God if there's 2 things I do before I die (um) - I'm going to get this board to like some decent fncking new Rock bands ......... and I'm gonna make this hellhole of a Politics board a genuine place of civil discourse and nuanced political thought ......um........before our inevitable, impending Civil War I mean have you listened to the new boris album
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Post by Brother Fease on Sept 16, 2022 22:40:09 GMT
well, desantis is right about one thing. those blue states will take care of the migrants better than the red states would (esp the sanctuary ones). the kindness they were met with backfired hard for him lmao, this is actually such a gimme for the dems the fact that taxpayers dollars were used for this stunt too đź’€ Yep, the citizens of Florida and Texas paid for DeSantis' political stunt for the regressive crowd. Hats off to these blue cities for welcoming them into their lives and communities, and treat them as human beings rather than disposable objects.
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Post by Brother Fease on Sept 16, 2022 22:45:08 GMT
It took 31 posts for someone to bring up the holocaust comparisons? I’m a bit disappointed in you guys But yea I didn’t know they had death camps in Martha’s Vineyard. If a vacation to Martha’s Vineyard is the equivalent of the fucking holocaust you can sign my Portuguese-Venezuelan half breed ass up I watched the video. You should too. It is only about 2 minutes long. There's nothing sane or reasonable about what Abbott and DeSantis are doing. It's the definition of cruelty - using vulnerable human beings for political gains.
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 16, 2022 22:49:41 GMT
Not gonna lie - I started this thread thinking it would get into a nuanced debate about how America - not just us - sees what DeSantis and Abbott did........ and what our immigration policy should be in general......but alas, mostly no..... I'll keep trying though - I swear to God if there's 2 things I do before I die (um) - I'm going to get this board to like some decent fncking new Rock bands ......... and I'm gonna make this hellhole of a Politics board a genuine place of civil discourse and nuanced political thought ......um........before our inevitable, impending Civil War I mean have you listened to the new boris album I have listened to W. - if that's the one you mean - fascinating record and band - I actually think a lot of this board would like Boris if they don't know them this board used to have a fairly decent Cocteau Twins, Slowdive, Ride, MBV, Low following etc .........great rec .........if that's the one you meant, if there's anything newer haven't heard it yet but I try to catch everything as much as I can.........there's great stuff coming out daily this year - right now I'm playing a kind of amazing Gogol Bordello record that came out today - and that's not even the best new album I've heard today......
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Post by Joaquim on Sept 16, 2022 23:06:37 GMT
It took 31 posts for someone to bring up the holocaust comparisons? I’m a bit disappointed in you guys But yea I didn’t know they had death camps in Martha’s Vineyard. If a vacation to Martha’s Vineyard is the equivalent of the fucking holocaust you can sign my Portuguese-Venezuelan half breed ass up I watched the video. You should too. It is only about 2 minutes long. There's nothing sane or reasonable about what Abbott and DeSantis are doing. It's the definition of cruelty - using vulnerable human beings for political gains. It’s adorable that you act like democrats haven’t been using illegal immigrants as political pawns for the past at least half century to get votes. If democrats thought illegals would vote Republican when they eventually get the right to vote, Trump’s retarded wall would be built in a weekend. Sure I’ll concede that these immigrants are being used to play political games, but don’t act like this type of shit is beneath democrats
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Post by Joaquim on Sept 16, 2022 23:23:33 GMT
What a disgusting comment, no wonder NBC deleted this tweet And it appears the national guard has been sent in to deport these illegals from Martha’s Vineyard. So much for the hospitality! Would anyone have cared if DeSantis and Abbott were sending these people to Wyoming, South Carolina or some other ass backward red state? No, of course not. They were sent straight into the white liberal elite heartland and that’s what’s causing the panic attacks. Hell hath no fury like a white liberal faced with real diversity
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Post by Brother Fease on Sept 16, 2022 23:24:43 GMT
I watched the video. You should too. It is only about 2 minutes long. There's nothing sane or reasonable about what Abbott and DeSantis are doing. It's the definition of cruelty - using vulnerable human beings for political gains. It’s adorable that you act like democrats haven’t been using illegal immigrants as political pawns for the past at least half century to get votes. If democrats thought illegals would vote Republican when they eventually get the right to vote, Trump’s retarded wall would be built in a weekend. Sure I’ll concede that these immigrants are being used to play political games, but don’t act like this type of shit is beneath democrats Why don't you stick to the subject matter instead of trying to play mind reader? The problem is that you cannot logically justify this cheat regressive Republican trick. As you're well aware, I am not a Democrat or a liberal. I am not in the business of defending the Dems. I am simply advocating for compassion, reason, and pragmatism.
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Post by Joaquim on Sept 17, 2022 0:08:49 GMT
We'll see if they'll keep on doing that after a couple of months. A couple months? It barely took 24 hours for the national guard to get called in and “take out the trash”, as NBC so succinctly put it
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Sept 17, 2022 0:35:38 GMT
the idea was never for these migrants to stay at Martha Vineyard for months, jesus christ. They aren't set up for that and were voluntarily doing the government's job for fucking free. The point is that DeSantis blatantly dropped them off like trash and the people of Martha's Vineyard treated them with compassion and dignity. anyways, to paraphrase Trump: "[DeSantis] could shoot someone and wouldn't lose [Joaquim's] vote"
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Post by Joaquim on Sept 17, 2022 0:48:15 GMT
[DeSantis] could shoot someone and wouldn't lose [Joaquim's] vote" It’s funny because it’s true
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Sept 17, 2022 0:52:24 GMT
Not gonna lie - I started this thread thinking it would get into a nuanced debate about how America - not just us - sees what DeSantis and Abbott did........ and what our immigration policy should be in general......but alas, mostly no..... I don't know pacinoyes, then maybe you should've started a thread with a more open-ended title like: "thoughts on America's immigration policy?" (or "immigration crisis" if you wanted something spicier) but highlighting DeSantis and Abbott in the title just invites a dogpile. If this were 2018 and you wanted to open up a discussion about immigration policy, you wouldn't title your thread "Trump puts kids in cages" now would you!
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