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Post by hugobolso on Sept 5, 2022 1:51:18 GMT
Over 70 points between number 3 and 2!!!
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Post by countjohn on Sept 5, 2022 1:52:21 GMT
Errr, I think I had Vertigo in the teens or something but I get the appeal and would not have minded it at no. 1. I like Rear Window but it did not make my ballot and I probably would not have put it even in a top 50. I agree with the criticism that it has a good first two acts but then goes into TV murder mystery territory with the finale. And Stewart and Kelly have no chemistry whatsoever.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Sept 5, 2022 1:53:08 GMT
a few takeaways - they both appeared on 25 ballots (!) - Vertigo ranked 1st on SIX ballots - but Rear Window still prevailed and won by 23 points - Even though Rear Window only got 2 number one spots in the tally, it got tons of 2nd and 3rd place spots and that helped it win.
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Post by Martin Stett on Sept 5, 2022 1:53:19 GMT
I guess I need to rewatch Rear Window. Yowza.
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Post by stephen on Sept 5, 2022 1:53:45 GMT
A fantastic presentation! Take a bow, Tommen!
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Post by dadsburgers on Sept 5, 2022 1:55:59 GMT
Did The Wages of Fear or Hiroshima Mon Amour make the list?
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Post by Martin Stett on Sept 5, 2022 1:56:03 GMT
My ballot:
1. The Trouble with Harry (Alfred Hitchcock, 1955) 2. The Court Jester (Melvin Frank & Norman Panama, 1955) - honestly shocked this didn't make the list 3. Anatomy of a Murder (Otto Preminger, 1959) 4. Ben-Hur (William Wyler, 1959) 5. 12 Angry Men (Sidney Lumet, 1957) 6. Ace in the Hole (Billy Wilder, 1951) 7. Vertigo (Alfred Hitchock, 1958) 8. Singin' in the Rain (Stanley Donen & Gene Kelly, 1952) 9. Patterns (Fiedler Cook, 1955) 10. Godzilla (Ishiro Honda, 1954) 11. The Night of the Hunter (Charles Laughton, 1955) 12. The Bridge on the River Kwai (David Lean, 1957) 13. The Mouse That Roared (Jack Arnold, 1959) 14. Fires on the Plain (Kon Ichikawa, 1959) 15. The Wages of Fear (Henri-Georges Clouzot, 1953) 16. The Browning Version (Anthony Asquith, 1951) 17. Somewhere Beneath the Wide Sky (Masaki Kobayashi, 1954) 18. No Time for Sergeants (Alex Segal, 1955) 19. Wild Strawberries (Ingmar Bergman, 1957) 20. The Furies (Anthony Mann, 1950) 21. Marty (Delbert Mann, 1953) 22. A Face in the Crowd (Elia Kazan, 1957) 23. Fanfan la Tulipe (Christian-Jacque, 1952) 24. Bad Day at Black Rock (John Sturges, 1955) 25. Diabolique (Henri-Georges Clouzot, 1955)
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Post by DeepArcher on Sept 5, 2022 1:56:13 GMT
- but Rear Window still prevailed and won by 23 points Btw, looks like there's an error for Rear Window's point total. Right now it shows a tie with Vertigo, and I was very confused!
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Post by DeepArcher on Sept 5, 2022 1:57:40 GMT
This presentation really reminded me of how many '50s classics I still need to see. Top results are pretty great; obvious but lots of undeniables. Thanks so much for running this, Tommen_Saperstein ! Love seeing this torch continue to be passed!
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Post by hugobolso on Sept 5, 2022 2:04:59 GMT
Hitchcock points are almost the rest combined!!!
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Post by urbanpatrician on Sept 5, 2022 2:11:44 GMT
Errr, I think I had Vertigo in the teens or something but I get the appeal and would not have minded it at no. 1. I like Rear Window but it did not make my ballot and I probably would not have put it even in a top 50. I agree with the criticism that it has a good first two acts but then goes into TV murder mystery territory with the finale. And Stewart and Kelly have no chemistry whatsoever. I think theres elements of television in sunset Blvd as well. And elements of theater in on the waterfront, a streetcar named desire and 12 angry men. I guess that's how those movies maintain their mass appeal. Tho personally I dont see any television aspects in rear window. It's way cooler, better executed and at a higher level than stuff on tv. A big screen movie all the way.
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Post by Joaquim on Sept 5, 2022 2:11:52 GMT
Had to step away and missed the last third of the presentation. Not too many complaints here, absolutely ecstatic The Wages of Fear made the top 25. I was the guy who put it #1 so I would’ve liked to see it higher of course but pleasantly surprised to see it that high. Sunset Boulevard is a lot better than the 2 Hitchcocks it lost out too at the end btw. Only 1 movie from my ballot missed the cut (Gun Crazy) so I can’t really complain too much about this list overall. Good job, Tommen
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Sept 5, 2022 2:21:25 GMT
full list for Ctrl-F convenience
01. Rear Window (Hitchock, 1954) 02. Vertigo (Hitchcock, 1954) 03. Sunset Boulevard (Wilder, 1950) 04. 12 Angry Men (Lumet, 1957) 05. Singin' in the Rain (Kelly & Donen, 1952) 06. The Seventh Seal (Bergman, 1957) 07. Paths of Glory (Kubrick, 1957) 08. On the Waterfront (Kazan, 1954) 09. Night of the Hunter (Laughton, 1955) 10. Seven Samurai (Kurosawa, 1954)
11. All About Eve (Mankiewicz, 1950) 12. Wild Strawberries (Bergman, 1957) 13. A Streetcar Named Desire (Kazan, 1951) 14. The 400 Blows (Truffaut, 1959) 15. Anatomy of a Murder (Preminger, 1959) 16. The Bridge of the River Kwai (Lean, 1957) 17. Touch of Evil (Welles, 1958) 18. The Wages of Fear (Clouzot, 1953) 19. La Strada (Fellini, 1954) 20. Rashomon (Kurosawa, 1950)
21. North by Northwest (Hitchcock, 1959) 22. Rebel without a Cause (Ray, 1955) 23. Roman Holiday (Wyler, 1953) 24. Tokyo Story (Ozu, 1953) 25. A Place in the Sun (Stevens, 1951) 26. In a Lonely Place (Ray, 1950) 27. The Searchers (Ford, 1956) 28. Ugetsu (Mizoguchi, 1953) 29. Imitation of Life (Sirk, 1959) 30. Sweet Smell of Success (Mackendrick, 1957)
31. All That Heaven Allows (Sirk, 1955) 32. Elevator to the Gallows (Malle, 1958) 33. Ace in the Hole (Wilder, 1951) 34. Sleeping Beauty (Wolfgang/Geronimi/Larson/Clark, 1959) 35. Ikiru (Kurosawa, 1952) 36. A Face in the Crowd (Kazan, 1957) 37. Rio Bravo (Hawks, 1959) 38. Rififi (Dassin, 1955) 39. Hiroshima mon amour (Resnais, 1959) 40. The Cranes Are Flying (Kalatozov, 1957)
41. Ordet (Dreyer, 1955) 42. Orpheus (Cocteau, 1950) 43. Les Diaboliques (Clouzot, 1955) 44. Some Like It Hot (Wilder, 1959) 45. Strangers on a Train (Hitchcock, 1951) 46. Forbidden Games (Clement, 1952) 47. The Earrings of Madame de... (Ophüls, 1953) 48. Ben-Hur (Wyler, 1959) 49. Kanał (Wajda, 1957)
50. Touchez Pas au Grisbi (Becker, 1954) 51. Kiss Me Deadly (Aldrich, 1955) 52. Le Notti Bianche (Visconti, 1957) 53. Tea and Sympathy (Minnelli, 1956) 54. Sansho the Bailiff (Mizoguchi, 1954) 55. invasion of the Body Snatchers (Siegel, 1956) 56. Pather Panchali (Ray, 1955) 57. High Noon (Zinnemann, 1952) 58. Nights of Cabiria (Fellini, 1957) 59. A Man Escaped (Bresson, 1956)
60. The Big Heat (Lang, 1953) 61. Winchester '73 (Mann, 1950) 62. Umberto D. (De Sica, 1952) 63. Johnny Guitar (Ray, 1954) 64. Alice in Wonderland (Geronimi/Jackson/Luske, 1951) 65. Throne of Blood (Kurosawa, 1957) 66. The Killing (Kubrick, 1956) 67. Pickup on South Street (Fuller, 1953) 68. Gentlemen Prefer Blondes (Hawks, 1953) 69. Witness for the Prosecution (Wilder, 1957)
70. Les Cousins (Chabrol, 1959) 71. The Human Condition I: No Greater Love (Kobayashi, 1959) 72. Dial M for Murder (Hitchcock, 1954) 73. Aparajito (Ray, 1956) 74. Ashes and Diamonds (Wajda, 1958) 75. Europa '51 (Rossellini, 1952) 76. Sesno (Visconti, 1954) 77. Fires on the Plain (Ichikawa, 1959) 78. Los Olvidados (Buñuel, 1950) 79. Cat on a Hot Tin Roof (Brooks, 1958)
80. Written on the Wind (Sirk, 1956) 81. Othello (Welles, 1951) 82. Pickpocket (Bresson, 1959) 83. The Music Room (Ray, 1958) 84. Nazarin (Buñuel, 1959) 85. An American in Paris (Minnelli, 1951) 86. The Lusty Men (Ray, 1952) 87. Ballad of a Soldier (Chukhray, 1959) 88. The Trouble with Harry (Hitchcock, 1955) 89. Bad Day at Black Rock (Sturges, 1955)
90. Marty (Mann, 1955) 91. From Here to Eternity (Zinnemann, 1953) -- TIE 91. The Lavender Hill Mob (Crichton, 1951) -- TIE 93. Stalag 17 (Wilder, 1953) 94. The Day the Earth Stood Still (Wise, 1951) 95. The Browning Version (Asquith, 1951) 96. Baby Doll (Kazan, 1956) 97. The World of Apu (Ray, 1959) 98. Smiles of a Summer Night (Bergman, 1955) 99. Tokyo Twilight (Ozu, 1957) 100. The Asphalt Jungle (Huston, 1950)
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Sept 5, 2022 2:23:00 GMT
- but Rear Window still prevailed and won by 23 points Btw, looks like there's an error for Rear Window's point total. Right now it shows a tie with Vertigo, and I was very confused! hmm good catch Totals were 443 to 420. It's fixed now.
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Post by stephen on Sept 5, 2022 2:29:51 GMT
Kinda shocked that Giant missed the Top 100.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Sept 5, 2022 2:33:27 GMT
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Sept 5, 2022 2:52:24 GMT
Kinda shocked that Giant missed the Top 100. Lots of surprising results. Giant only got two votes and both pretty low.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Sept 5, 2022 2:54:08 GMT
so I just went over the presentation and the only noticeable remaining mistake I saw was that I had Marty as being 1953 instead of '55. Blame Martin Stett for that, who voted for the '53 version. ![:blah:](//storage.proboards.com/6692321/images/6R5LresqGU4TiYMKtat2.gif)
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Post by flasuss on Sept 5, 2022 3:03:40 GMT
Just caught it, and the worst part of this? I honestly just forgot to put Rashomon and The Sweet Smell of Success on my list. ![:dead:](//storage.proboards.com/6692321/images/XEisjEQVcK7pQLa7iJnP.gif) Anyway, some big disappointments- The Searchers and Tokyo Story not even making the top 20 is preposterous, but can't argue with that top 3
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Sept 5, 2022 3:06:13 GMT
some thoughts -- Singin in the Rain was my #1 and I was shocked to see it place so highly. Halfway through the tally it was looking more like a mid-20s ranking but it kept showing up on ballots towards the end and because the top 15 or so were soooo close, that really helped it edge its way to the top 5. What a glorious feeling, especially considering how few musicals we got in here. I was the highest ranking for Gentlemen Prefer Blondes too. Saw it for the first time a few months ago and loved every minute of it! -- Kurosawa sort of bombed here. I seriously thought there'd be three Kurosawas in the top 20 and I thought Seven Samurai would've been in the top 5. Fact is that support for his films seriously dropped off towards the end up my tally. I think in the last 7-8 ballots I counted, Rashomon and Samurai only appeared like once each. Hidden Fortress didn't receive a single vote. -- North by Northwest climbed the ranks at the very end. It was consistently showing up on ballots but almost always below #15. Roman Holiday enjoyed a late surge as well. -- Top 3 pulled away pretty quickly and all of them were occasionally in the lead. The tie I mentioned in the other thread was between Sunset and Rear Window, but then Vertigo surged back ahead. Ultimately the Hitchcocks prevailed and despite the relative closeness between the top 2, it became clear towards the end of my tally that Window had this. It's still crazy to me that Vertigo had SIX #1 spots. That's a lot of points for a runner-up! ![:eek:](//storage.proboards.com/6692321/images/cbungJltNj775_PictjM.gif)
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Sept 5, 2022 3:15:19 GMT
Hitchcock points are almost the rest combined!!! yup, Hitch received the most total points by far, and in fact almost double what Wilder had in 2nd place. point totals: 1. Hitch - 1197 2. Wilder - 692 3. Kazan - 638 4. Kurosawa - 556 5. Bergman - 549 ![https://i.postimg.cc/X78pq87m/Hitchcock.jpg](https://i.postimg.cc/X78pq87m/Hitchcock.jpg)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2022 3:17:56 GMT
Wild Strawberries at 12 surprised me the most! Gotta re-watch a number of these... especially Rear Window, whose screenplay I read a while ago and it was a blast. Great job Tommen ![:cheers:](//storage.proboards.com/6692321/images/TQg__VACAVlowxlnMjXj.gif)
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Post by SZilla on Sept 5, 2022 3:26:40 GMT
Great job Tommen_Saperstein! Here was my ballot below. Only three of my picks didn't make the cut, although one of those three made the honorable mentions. 1. 12 Angry Men (1957) 2. Strangers on a Train (1951) 3. Touchez Pas au Grisbi (1954) 4. Rear Window (1954) 5. On the Waterfront (1954) 6. A Face in the Crowd (1957) 7. Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1956) 8. Stalag 17 (1953) 9. Throne of Blood (1957) 10. The Searchers (1956) 11. Seven Samurai (1954) 12. The Browning Version (1951) 13. Kanal (1957) 14. The Killing (1956) 15. La Strada (1954) 16. The Seventh Seal (1957) 17. Sunset Blvd (1950) 18. Ikiru (1952) 19. Roman Holiday (1953) 20. Sansho the Bailiff (1954) 21. Rififi (1955)
22. I Confess (1953) 23. The Human Condition II: Road to Eternity (1959) 24. Godzilla (1954) 25. Le Notti Bianche (1957)
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Post by SZilla on Sept 5, 2022 3:35:20 GMT
Also, with these presentations I'm always mindful of the films I haven't seen in order to see what I still need to watch.
29. Imitation of Life (Sirk, 1959) 31. All That Heaven Allows (Sirk, 1955) 53. Tea and Sympathy (Minnelli, 1956) 68. Gentlemen Prefer Blondes (Hawks, 1953) 70. Les Cousins (Chabrol, 1959)*** - Already on my watchlist! 80. Written on the Wind (Sirk, 1956) 86. The Lusty Men (Ray, 1952) 96. Baby Doll (Kazan, 1956)
HMs: 102. Room at the Top (Clayton, 1959) 106. Richard III (Olivier, 1955) 107. Summertime (Lean, 1955)
Sirk is a major blindspot for me. I'm also in the midst of a Chabrol dig, I just haven't quite gotten to Les Cousins yet. Criterion Channel is doing a British New Wave theme for this month, so maybe I'll finally catch Room at the Top.
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Post by Javi on Sept 5, 2022 3:41:03 GMT
Great presentation, Tommen! And damn wonderful list.
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