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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2022 14:08:53 GMT
If these were indeed to one day be the major candidates, who would you vote for?
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Post by quetee on Jul 6, 2022 14:21:19 GMT
Yes, I want to vote for a man who wants to teach kids that black people came to America on vacay.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2022 14:26:39 GMT
Yes, I want to vote for a man who wants to teach kids that black people came to America on vacay. And that "RuPaul's Drag Race" is what's actually wrong with America.
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Post by quetee on Jul 6, 2022 14:31:25 GMT
Yes, I want to vote for a man who wants to teach kids that black people came to America on vacay. And that "RuPaul's Drag Race" is what's actually wrong with America. so that's what's wrong. I couldn't pinpoint it. Lmao.
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Post by Martin Stett on Jul 6, 2022 14:35:58 GMT
The poll should have three choices: either of these bozos, or an axe to the head. I'd take the hole in the head.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 6, 2022 14:41:18 GMT
I would like the "neither" option! I hope the party discourages Newsom from running - he's an unfunny joke, his first wife was a joke, so is his 2nd actually - his state is a very unfunny joke, if he challenges Biden it hurts the Party (badly too) and he delivers a State they already have anyway - unlike DeSantis at least makes strategic sense and delivers Florida. DeSantis is a better governor than Newsom but that only matters if the state of the economy is not better in 2024......we'll see. Win me over Democrat Party........I really want you to. Side note: I'm told though I would like sensible (allegedly, not Leftist wackadoodle) Democrat Roy Cooper (?) by my friend who really wants me to vote Democrat - and judging from what's going to happen to the Democrat Paty the midterms they really need pacinoyes, huh? (kidding, not kidding) -and I do like middle of the road comfort food Amy Klobuchar .....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2022 14:52:32 GMT
In America, "neither" is not an option. You all know this after 2016.
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Post by Martin Stett on Jul 6, 2022 15:12:07 GMT
In America, "neither" is not an option. You all know this after 2016. And that is why we're fucked. It doesn't matter which one you vote for. It really, honestly doesn't. Anybody that would actually make a difference will be drowned out by the infinite money of people who have been bought and paid for. Oh, there are the social issues, but no president's decisions will truly matter there, either. There's a divide in the country, and the only possible thing that can happen now is for things to get wider and more broken. Let's say Newsom makes great social change - well, then the next guy comes along and changes everything back. And then the next guy changes everything again. None of it matters. There's no bridging the gap.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 6, 2022 15:17:59 GMT
In America, "neither" is not an option. You all know this after 2016. And that is why we're fucked. It doesn't matter which one you vote for. It really, honestly doesn't. Anybody that would actually make a difference will be drowned out by the infinite money of people who have been bought and paid for. Oh, there are the social issues, but no president's decisions will truly matter there, either. There's a divide in the country, and the only possible thing that can happen now is for things to get wider and more broken. Let's say Newsom makes great social change - well, then the next guy comes along and changes everything back. And then the next guy changes everything again. None of it matters. There's no bridging the gap. Yeah, I actually never didn't vote until 2020 - I couldn't vote for Trump and couldn't vote for a Party that put up a feeble dud of a candidate and.........looking back I was totally right. They were shitty candidates and both were shitty Presidents...... You have the right to vote and the right to abstain from voting...........abstaining from voting IS a choice and it is a statement - or it can be ....................my state is Leftist wackadoodle - it will always go Democrat even if the corpse of Joe Biden was on the ticket in 2024 - I could vote for DeSantis and it wouldn't matter - but if I didn't vote for him - that's a statement too.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2022 15:20:11 GMT
In America, "neither" is not an option. You all know this after 2016. And that is why we're fucked. It doesn't matter which one you vote for. It really, honestly doesn't. Anybody that would actually make a difference will be drowned out by the infinite money of people who have been bought and paid for. Oh, there are the social issues, but no president's decisions will truly matter there, either. There's a divide in the country, and the only possible thing that can happen now is for things to get wider and more broken. Let's say Newsom makes great social change - well, then the next guy comes along and changes everything back. And then the next guy changes everything again. None of it matters. There's no bridging the gap. I just don't understand this train of thought. At all. If Hillary had been elected, abortion would still be a Constitutional right for all American women, the EPA would have the tools necessary to combat climate change, and states would have some control over common sense gun safety legislation. It really is that simple.
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Post by Martin Stett on Jul 6, 2022 15:54:53 GMT
And that is why we're fucked. It doesn't matter which one you vote for. It really, honestly doesn't. Anybody that would actually make a difference will be drowned out by the infinite money of people who have been bought and paid for. Oh, there are the social issues, but no president's decisions will truly matter there, either. There's a divide in the country, and the only possible thing that can happen now is for things to get wider and more broken. Let's say Newsom makes great social change - well, then the next guy comes along and changes everything back. And then the next guy changes everything again. None of it matters. There's no bridging the gap. I just don't understand this train of thought. At all. If Hillary had been elected, abortion would still be a Constitutional right for all American women, the EPA would have the tools necessary to combat climate change, and states would have some control over common sense gun safety legislation. It really is that simple. The ideological divide will mean that there will be no meaningful change, even if there is change in law. Nobody will ever convince everyone else that they're right, nobody will ever compromise. The ideological divide is amplified by our social echo chambers. Without ideological compromise, nothing is safe. The rules change based on the whims of those in power, and those in power are elected by people who will never compromise. Whether it's left wing wackadoodles or right wing wackadoodles, they're driven by their echo chambers, and no communication can ever happen. The pendulum will wildly spin, and there will be no stability.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jul 6, 2022 16:06:09 GMT
Two things are 100% true
1. Hilary would not have been a great president and in many ways probably bad 2. If she had been president, we would not be subject to a radical 6-3 conservative court rolling back decades of progress that will literally increase death, poverty, abuse, etc. Being holier than thou about abstaining from voting is the height of privilege when people's lives are on the line. Most people can't afford to be academic about these topics.
I guess it sucks that raped teenagers and domestic abuse victims will be forced to give birth but I'm glad your conscience is clear about not voting for that dem you don't like. 🤷
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2022 16:13:20 GMT
1. Hilary would not have been a great president and in many ways probably bad
Curious as to what makes you say this? Her hawkish foreign policy?
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jul 6, 2022 16:13:52 GMT
Dems would be shooting themselves in the foot advancing someone like Newsom whose governance has been a joke both to progressives and MAGA crazies. But the lesser of two evils is always the lesser of two evils. I'd rather have an incompetent president than an insane/evil one who'll spend his time actively trying to make life harder for women, gays, transpeople, immigrants, and teachers.
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Post by quetee on Jul 6, 2022 16:20:21 GMT
1. Hilary would not have been a great president and in many ways probably bad
Curious as to what makes you say this? Her hawkish foreign policy? after dealing with Trump's bullshit for four years trying to figure out how she would be worse? Lmao. We would not be in a situation where a 10 year old raped by her uncle denied an abortion.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jul 6, 2022 16:28:51 GMT
1. Hilary would not have been a great president and in many ways probably bad
Curious as to what makes you say this? Her hawkish foreign policy? so many reasons. Corporate interests, establishment centrism, and yeah the hawkishness. Basically I think she would have continued all of Obama's flaws without many of his strengths and certainly without his charisma. I definitely don't think she would've been someone dems could rally behind during her administration and she almost certainly would've lost in 2020, BUT... even if all that had been true, we still wouldn't have this insane supreme court today if she had won which would've meant the difference between 51% of the population having constitutional reproductive rights and 51% of the population having no legal autonomy over their uteruses. And yeah you also mentioned climate change and gun laws. I don't think Clinton would've been a progressive ally in those areas but at least we wouldn't be seeing the rollback that's currently happening. Doing nothing or very little is better than going backwards.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 6, 2022 16:41:15 GMT
I just don't understand this train of thought. At all. If Hillary had been elected, abortion would still be a Constitutional right for all American women, the EPA would have the tools necessary to combat climate change, and states would have some control over common sense gun safety legislation. It really is that simple. The ideological divide will mean that there will be no meaningful change, even if there is change in law. Oh it's worse than that - we can't even agree on what it is we're divided about. The perspective that every POTUS election is just for the SCOTUS - is actually the height of cynicism or privilege - though I hate that term. People who say this - think voting issues related to your pocketbook is (relatively) meaningless which makes me think they haven't worked that long, ever been hungry..........ever bought a house........well you get the idea......... that's not the way the world, or politics or political systems actually work. The election that changed the US was actually 2012 - if Romney had won and been a 1 term President - Clinton - or a better new candidate actually - would have likely won in 2016 swinging the pendulum back (I know, I know "likely" is the key word): No Trump campaign, then no Biden reaction to Trump - and you'd have your SCOTUS appointments......going back to 2016 clouds what really happened in the US tbh - Trump's win was a reaction to Obama's 2nd term........
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Post by Joaquim on Jul 6, 2022 17:48:55 GMT
DeSantis is one of the very very few candidates I would vote for from the 2 major parties
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2022 18:06:03 GMT
pacinoyes - This certainly wasn't the case for me (re SCOTUS). But it will be moving forward. I ask you with all sincerity, pac - the fact that 5 people overturned 50 years of precedent against the will of 60 to 70% of the American people simply because they could - is that not genuinely terrifying to you?
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Post by quetee on Jul 6, 2022 18:57:39 GMT
pacinoyes - This certainly wasn't the case for me (re SCOTUS). But it will be moving forward. I ask you with all sincerity, pac - the fact that 5 people overturned 50 years of precedent against the will of 60 to 70% of the American people simply because they could - is that not genuinely terrifying to you? It should be. They want to erase progress just because like you said they can. These people are holding the majority of Americans hostage over their personal beliefs. That's not how it should happen.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 6, 2022 19:02:08 GMT
pacinoyes - This certainly wasn't the case for me (re SCOTUS). But it will be moving forward. I ask you with all sincerity, pac - the fact that 5 people overturned 50 years of precedent against the will of 60 to 70% of the American people simply because they could - is that not genuinely terrifying to you? Yes. .................but it doesn't terrify me enough to consider voting for Biden / Harris or Newson in 2024 atm - those 3 have not shown themselves to be functionally capable of running a country imo (or even California in Newsom's case) - being pro-choice isn't solely enough to get my vote - now again that doesn't mean I'd vote for DeSantis - and I wouldn't vote for Trump....... If the economy rebounds in 2024 however that makes it more likely that I'd vote mostly on SCOTUS - since I am pro-choice and believe in Roe and the privacy idea being implicit within the Constitution and it's rightfully a big issue .................. but I am not making that choice and electing someone who I feel can't correct America's dismal fiscal slide - it's literally a declining standard of living, for millions of people, daily currently.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2022 19:03:44 GMT
pacinoyes - This certainly wasn't the case for me (re SCOTUS). But it will be moving forward. I ask you with all sincerity, pac - the fact that 5 people overturned 50 years of precedent against the will of 60 to 70% of the American people simply because they could - is that not genuinely terrifying to you? It should be. They want to erase progress just because like you said they can. These people are holding the majority of Americans hostage over their personal beliefs. That's not how it should happen. It's just as Thurgood Marshall said as he retired: “Power, not reason, is the new currency of this Court’s decisionmaking.” Obviously this was before the Court became bought by and beholden to the fringe-right Federalist Society, so it was only going to get worse.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2022 19:06:56 GMT
pacinoyes - This certainly wasn't the case for me (re SCOTUS). But it will be moving forward. I ask you with all sincerity, pac - the fact that 5 people overturned 50 years of precedent against the will of 60 to 70% of the American people simply because they could - is that not genuinely terrifying to you? Yes. .................but it doesn't terrify me enough to consider voting for Biden / Harris or Newson in 2024 atm - those 3 have not shown themselves to be functionally capable of running a country imo (or even California in Newsom's case) - being pro-choice isn't solely enough to get my vote - now again that doesn't mean I'd vote for DeSantis - and I wouldn't vote for Trump....... If the economy rebounds in 2024 however that makes it more likely that I'd vote mostly on SCOTUS - since I am pro-choice and believe in Roe and the privacy idea being implicit within the Constitution and it's rightfully a big issue .................. but I am not making that choice and electing someone who I feel can't correct America's dismal fiscal slide - it's literally a declining standard of living, for millions of people, daily currently. I get this, but I have yet to see one Republican idea to combat inflation.
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Post by quetee on Jul 6, 2022 19:32:16 GMT
It should be. They want to erase progress just because like you said they can. These people are holding the majority of Americans hostage over their personal beliefs. That's not how it should happen. It's just as Thurgood Marshall said as he retired: “Power, not reason, is the new currency of this Court’s decisionmaking.” Obviously this was before the Court became bought by and beholden to the fringe-right Federalist Society, so it was only going to get worse. the irony is trump doesn't even sign off on their opinions legitimately. He's not even a Republican.
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Post by quetee on Jul 6, 2022 19:34:08 GMT
I love how the average person is using the economy as a reason but couldn't even explain how any of it works.
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