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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Jul 6, 2022 20:07:21 GMT
I love how the average person is using the economy as a reason but couldn't even explain how any of it works. Personally, I’m all for the stock market burning to the ground. Let the hedge fund managers hemorrhage.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Jul 6, 2022 20:09:27 GMT
At this point, choosing to stay on the sidelines is just as damaging as active harm. Because it’s essentially the same as saying “it doesn’t affect me, so I don’t need to worry about it.” Complacency kills us too
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Post by Joaquim on Jul 6, 2022 20:13:20 GMT
Yes. .................but it doesn't terrify me enough to consider voting for Biden / Harris or Newson in 2024 atm - those 3 have not shown themselves to be functionally capable of running a country imo (or even California in Newsom's case) - being pro-choice isn't solely enough to get my vote - now again that doesn't mean I'd vote for DeSantis - and I wouldn't vote for Trump....... If the economy rebounds in 2024 however that makes it more likely that I'd vote mostly on SCOTUS - since I am pro-choice and believe in Roe and the privacy idea being implicit within the Constitution and it's rightfully a big issue .................. but I am not making that choice and electing someone who I feel can't correct America's dismal fiscal slide - it's literally a declining standard of living, for millions of people, daily currently. I get this, but I have yet to see one Republican idea to combat inflation. Because like the Democrats, the overwhelming majority of Republicans have no interest in turning the money printer off either
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Post by Joaquim on Jul 6, 2022 20:14:54 GMT
I love how the average person is using the economy as a reason but couldn't even explain how any of it works. Personally, I’m all for the stock market burning to the ground. Let the hedge fund managers hemorrhage. I actually agree with this
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Post by Joaquim on Jul 6, 2022 20:15:49 GMT
I’m shocked it’s 4-4 rn lmao
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Post by Joaquim on Jul 6, 2022 20:34:52 GMT
Personally, I’m all for the stock market burning to the ground. Let the hedge fund managers hemorrhage. I actually agree with this To add to this a bit - the stock market burning to the ground would actually go a long way towards curbing inflation. Create a deflationary crisis. It’s why the federal reserve is backed into the corner it’s in right now. They can either fight inflation at a big risk to the stock market, or keep the stock market propped up with QE Infinity like they’ve done since the ‘08 crisis and let inflation keep running rampant
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2022 20:41:21 GMT
DeSantis is one of the very very few candidates I would vote for from the 2 major parties Why?
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 6, 2022 22:53:54 GMT
Personally, I’m all for the stock market burning to the ground. Let the hedge fund managers hemorrhage. I actually agree with this It's funny - since I'm in the stock market that's exactly how I feel about Socialists and the poor - fnck 'em
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Jul 6, 2022 23:11:53 GMT
I actually agree with this It's funny - since I'm in the stock market that's exactly how I feel about Socialists and the poor - fnck 'em Right. Because the poor choose to be in the position they’re in, and they aren’t in their position because they have no other choice. Essentially to have it good in America, you have to be exceptionally lucky. This country favors capitalism way more than its people
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 6, 2022 23:31:45 GMT
It's funny - since I'm in the stock market that's exactly how I feel about Socialists and the poor - fnck 'em Right. Because the poor choose to be in the position they’re in, and they aren’t in their position because they have no other choice. Essentially to have it good in America, you have to be exceptionally lucky. This country favors capitalism way more than its people Personally, I’m all for the stock market burning to the ground. Let the hedge fund managers hemorrhage.You wrote that ^ ..........my post was an absurdist joke - and reply to Joaq - a guy who has a pretty dark sense of humor - ever see how many times he played Remains by The Only Ones? ............and you know, if we burn the stock market to the ground you also burn down people retirements - not just the hedge fund managers............. so let's give America a break about how it values "people" when were burning their life savings .....also let's leave capitalism out of it because you're talking about something pacinoyes really reallly loves.......um
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Post by Joaquim on Jul 6, 2022 23:44:43 GMT
DeSantis is one of the very very few candidates I would vote for from the 2 major parties Why? If I only had one word to say what stands out about him it’s competence. A trait that a minuscule amount of politicians have had in my lifetime. It has been fucking bleak and he has emerged as the perfect guy for what politics in this country has devolved to. He could still end up disappointing eventually though. Who knows what he’d do when confronted with the issue of the federal reserve and its money printer, not exactly something he’s had to confront directly much in his career. Too many neocons seem to be ok with him too but for now, from what he’s shown, he’s the real deal
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Post by Barbie on Jul 7, 2022 1:33:44 GMT
Two things are 100% true 1. Hilary would not have been a great president and in many ways probably bad 2. If she had been president, we would not be subject to a radical 6-3 conservative court rolling back decades of progress that will literally increase death, poverty, abuse, etc. Being holier than thou about abstaining from voting is the height of privilege when people's lives are on the line. Most people can't afford to be academic about these topics. I guess it sucks that raped teenagers and domestic abuse victims will be forced to give birth but I'm glad your conscience is clear about not voting for that dem you don't like. 🤷 It has absolutely NOTHING to do with privilege, and people need to stop calling something they don't like or agree with as privileged Is the author of this article who is a black, working class, and non-binary privileged for not voting? blackyouthproject.com/not-voting-is-not-a-privilege/it’s laughable for anyone to still argue that Democrats care about people’s lives, and you want to continue rewarding a party that actively harms everyday people including marginalized people you think they care about just because they say the right words. That’s it
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Post by Barbie on Jul 7, 2022 1:44:58 GMT
It's funny - since I'm in the stock market that's exactly how I feel about Socialists and the poor - fnck 'em Right. Because the poor choose to be in the position they’re in, and they aren’t in their position because they have no other choice. Essentially to have it good in America, you have to be exceptionally lucky. This country favors capitalism way more than its people And you continue perpetuating that system by continuing to vote for the other capitalist party
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Post by Barbie on Jul 7, 2022 1:54:56 GMT
At this point, choosing to stay on the sidelines is just as damaging as active harm. Because it’s essentially the same as saying “it doesn’t affect me, so I don’t need to worry about it.” Complacency kills us too Jesus Christ, you’re so out of touch, it’s kinda disgusting. Like where do you get off judging conservatives at this point for being out of touch and ignorant? Instead of investigating why people don’t want to vote, you write them of as ignorant dangerous assholes who aren’t affected. The tens of millions of eligible people who choose not to vote are not complacent people who are privileged. They’re working class voters struggling to make ends meet and working multiple jobs. They don’t vote because they’ve taken beating after beating after beating under Republican and Democratic presidents, and they feel that their vote doesn’t count. And they’re 100% correct. But instead of looking at systemic failures caused by the party liberals continue to shill for just as much as the GOP, you condescend and act smug and write them off as complacent and ignorant. And you do this while accusing voters who abstain of being smug and holier than thou When I canvassed for progressive candidates in my area, I went to a lot of low income housing areas where the eligible voters were poc/poor/immigrants, and there was a lot of voter apathy. Are you telling me that those people are complacent and don’t care? I’d love to see liberals go and talk to those people and tell them they’re privileged assholes to their faces People who don’t vote aren’t harming anyone, but people who continue voting for a party that spits in the faces of working class people and enables the greater evil are doing the active harm. It’s fucking stupid and delusional AF to think electoral politics will save anything. I’m not saying don’t vote, but voting is not the be all end all. And it is NOT the morally superior action that liberals think it is especially when you vote for a party that actively harms people just as much as the GOP and fucking enables them. You can cling to the 25% difference between the two parties and the milquetoast lip service Democrats pay to satisfy gullible liberals, but you’re not making a world of difference or virtuous or Good for voting for them
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2022 2:04:20 GMT
If I only had one word to say what stands out about him it’s competence. A trait that a minuscule amount of politicians have had in my lifetime. It has been fucking bleak and he has emerged as the perfect guy for what politics in this country has devolved to. He could still end up disappointing eventually though. Who knows what he’d do when confronted with the issue of the federal reserve and its money printer, not exactly something he’s had to confront directly much in his career. Too many neocons seem to be ok with him too but for now, from what he’s shown, he’s the real deal Legislating against the largest private employer in your state because it publicly disagreed with one of your policies... this is competency?
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Post by Barbie on Jul 7, 2022 2:05:44 GMT
Do any of you liberals genuinely care about the marginalized people you claim to support? Do you genuinely want to see change happen and people’s material conditions change? Or this just a game of Blue Team vs. Red Team for y’all?
Are you even educated about the institutional failures and real issues facing the average person or do you think you’re informed by virtue of not being a MAGA moron?
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Post by Martin Stett on Jul 7, 2022 2:20:08 GMT
Do any of you liberals genuinely care about the marginalized people you claim to support? Do you genuinely want to see change happen and people’s material conditions change? Or this just a game of Blue Team vs. Red Team for y’all? Are you even educated about the institutional failures and real issues facing the average person or do you think you’re informed by virtue of not being a MAGA moron? Barbie, can we run for office together? We need proper radicals, because radicals don't play by the rules. Radicals don't march in lockstep with their party to the point that they can be spat out on an assembly line. I would probably disagree with 95% of your views, but at least you wouldn't just be a "Democrat" with no individual thoughts in your head. If every politician was like you, people would be EAGER to vote and to get closely involved in every election. Even if it's just to keep you OUT of office, people would be damn well motivated to keep in touch and get involved. That's a win in my book. Like that trans woman that ran for (and won) the Republican primary for sheriff in a heavily red area a couple years ago with the website slogan "FUCK THE POLICE," because she was the only person that got onto the ticket (she got enough friends to sign for her to make it in). Then the outrage happened and she told everyone that it was their fault for voting for the letter R without actually looking into whether or not they actually wanted an openly trans Satanist as their sheriff. I'm pretty sure that she lost to a write-in candidate, but she got her message through.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jul 7, 2022 6:11:52 GMT
At this point, choosing to stay on the sidelines is just as damaging as active harm. Because it’s essentially the same as saying “it doesn’t affect me, so I don’t need to worry about it.” Complacency kills us too Jesus Christ, you’re so out of touch, it’s kinda disgusting. Like where do you get off judging conservatives at this point for being out of touch and ignorant? Instead of investigating why people don’t want to vote, you write them of as ignorant dangerous assholes who aren’t affected. The tens of millions of eligible people who choose not to vote are not complacent people who are privileged. They’re working class voters struggling to make ends meet and working multiple jobs. They don’t vote because they’ve taken beating after beating after beating under Republican and Democratic presidents, and they feel that their vote doesn’t count. And they’re 100% correct. But instead of looking at systemic failures caused by the party liberals continue to shill for just as much as the GOP, you condescend and act smug and write them off as complacent and ignorant. And you do this while accusing voters who abstain of being smug and holier than thou When I canvassed for progressive candidates in my area, I went to a lot of low income housing areas where the eligible voters were poc/poor/immigrants, and there was a lot of voter apathy. Are you telling me that those people are complacent and don’t care? I’d love to see liberals go and talk to those people and tell them they’re privileged assholes to their faces People who don’t vote aren’t harming anyone, but people who continue voting for a party that spits in the faces of working class people and enables the greater evil are doing the active harm. It’s fucking stupid and delusional AF to think electoral politics will save anything. I’m not saying don’t vote, but voting is not the be all end all. And it is NOT the morally superior action that liberals think it is especially when you vote for a party that actively harms people just as much as the GOP and fucking enables them. You can cling to the 25% difference between the two parties and the milquetoast lip service Democrats pay to satisfy gullible liberals, but you’re not making a world of difference or virtuous or Good for voting for them Not to speak for Ryan, but I assume he's talking about the kind of people I'm talking about: socially-aware mostly millennials and zoomers who consume the news and actively choose not to participate despite not being affected by institutional barriers (like the kinds in red states that try to make it as hard as fucking possible for black people/working class people to vote), so you basically, and others in this thread. The people who know enough about Gavin Newsom to be aware of and criticize his politics or rail against the dems on Twitter/reddit/message boards aren't working class people living paycheck to paycheck trying to feed their families, they're usually privileged assholes who can't see the forest for the trees. Of course electoral politics isn't the end-all-be-all solution but that doesn't change the fact that apathetic privileged libs stayed home in 2016 because they didn't like Hilary. Meanwhile women's rights have been fucking rolled back to 1973, GOP is gutting the democratic process, gutting social programs, gutting education/schools, censoring books, banning abortion and brainwashing their electorate with conspiracy theories about Dominion voting machines. What's your solution to that? Stay home and whine both-sidesist bullshit on the internet? Voting is the absolute bare minimum but at least it's something.
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Post by Joaquim on Jul 7, 2022 11:49:04 GMT
If I only had one word to say what stands out about him it’s competence. A trait that a minuscule amount of politicians have had in my lifetime. It has been fucking bleak and he has emerged as the perfect guy for what politics in this country has devolved to. He could still end up disappointing eventually though. Who knows what he’d do when confronted with the issue of the federal reserve and its money printer, not exactly something he’s had to confront directly much in his career. Too many neocons seem to be ok with him too but for now, from what he’s shown, he’s the real deal Legislating against the largest private employer in your state because it publicly disagreed with one of your policies... this is competency? Yes. Anyone else would’ve let themselves get pushed around and backed down in the face of this company headquartered in California, who said so themselves their priority was to get this policy overturned/revoked. Disney picked a fight with the wrong governor
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Post by quetee on Jul 7, 2022 14:05:20 GMT
Jesus Christ, you’re so out of touch, it’s kinda disgusting. Like where do you get off judging conservatives at this point for being out of touch and ignorant? Instead of investigating why people don’t want to vote, you write them of as ignorant dangerous assholes who aren’t affected. The tens of millions of eligible people who choose not to vote are not complacent people who are privileged. They’re working class voters struggling to make ends meet and working multiple jobs. They don’t vote because they’ve taken beating after beating after beating under Republican and Democratic presidents, and they feel that their vote doesn’t count. And they’re 100% correct. But instead of looking at systemic failures caused by the party liberals continue to shill for just as much as the GOP, you condescend and act smug and write them off as complacent and ignorant. And you do this while accusing voters who abstain of being smug and holier than thou When I canvassed for progressive candidates in my area, I went to a lot of low income housing areas where the eligible voters were poc/poor/immigrants, and there was a lot of voter apathy. Are you telling me that those people are complacent and don’t care? I’d love to see liberals go and talk to those people and tell them they’re privileged assholes to their faces People who don’t vote aren’t harming anyone, but people who continue voting for a party that spits in the faces of working class people and enables the greater evil are doing the active harm. It’s fucking stupid and delusional AF to think electoral politics will save anything. I’m not saying don’t vote, but voting is not the be all end all. And it is NOT the morally superior action that liberals think it is especially when you vote for a party that actively harms people just as much as the GOP and fucking enables them. You can cling to the 25% difference between the two parties and the milquetoast lip service Democrats pay to satisfy gullible liberals, but you’re not making a world of difference or virtuous or Good for voting for them Not to speak for Ryan, but I assume he's talking about the kind of people I'm talking about: socially-aware mostly millennials and zoomers who consume the news and actively choose not to participate despite not being affected by institutional barriers (like the kinds in red states that try to make it as hard as fucking possible for black people/working class people to vote), so you basically, and others in this thread. The people who know enough about Gavin Newsom to be aware of and criticize his politics or rail against the dems on Twitter/reddit/message boards aren't working class people living paycheck to paycheck trying to feed their families, they're usually privileged assholes who can't see the forest for the trees. Of course electoral politics isn't the end-all-be-all solution but that doesn't change the fact that apathetic privileged libs stayed home in 2016 because they didn't like Hilary. Meanwhile women's rights have been fucking rolled back to 1973, GOP is gutting the democratic process, gutting social programs, gutting education/schools, censoring books, banning abortion and brainwashing their electorate with conspiracy theories about Dominion voting machines. What's your solution to that? Stay home and whine both-sidesist bullshit on the internet? Voting is the absolute bare minimum but at least it's something.And they just got started. They have only tipped the iceberg.
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Post by Joaquim on Jul 19, 2022 20:35:48 GMT
It’s heating up “He would discriminate against athletes with Down syndrome!” What a zinger
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Post by Brother Fease on Jul 21, 2022 10:16:23 GMT
Dont like either to be frank. Desantis is the worst of them. Here is a guy that goes after free speech.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 21, 2022 11:53:30 GMT
It’s heating up “He would discriminate against athletes with Down syndrome!” What a zinger The best part is when the guy who posted it (I guess) says "How Dare You!" - when he cracks that snarky joke ....... again this is an example of the new Republican Party which only could exist post-Trump .........where they make fun of everything - on purpose - and it's the US Left which has suddenly become humorless and censorial in many ways. Duelling fascists basically .......... The GOP Party didn't crack a(n) (intentional) joke pre-2016 - picture Mitt Romney doing this speech (um) - and now they're acting like stand-up comedians / or (God Forbid) .............pacinoyes .......
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Post by quetee on Jul 21, 2022 13:49:58 GMT
Dont like either to be frank. Desantis is the worst of them. Here is a guy that goes after free speech. I'm guessing he was bullied. Now that he has power, he wants to make everyone who opposes him miserable.
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Post by quetee on Jul 21, 2022 13:51:48 GMT
Lmao at him saying people have choices. Whatever. Someone please check his Id because that's not a 43 year old.
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