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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 18:08:29 GMT
Just wanted to formally pose this question to you all... I'm still 100% yes.
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Post by stephen on Jan 13, 2022 18:14:54 GMT
I say she's still in the top five, but she is now incredibly vulnerable. And I do wonder if she even makes BAFTA at this rate. Spencer did not do overly well with the longlists, and I think that whatever passion there was on the critical end of things isn't translating within the industry. I can see her still getting the Oscar nomination even if she misses BAFTA as well, but she went from being bandied about as the frontrunner to arguably the most snubbable member of that five. The thing that I think she does have in her favor is that if we're thinking Chastain/Colman/Gaga/Kidman are solidly in, then it depends on whether the fifth slot goes to someone with a sudden burst of passion. It doesn't look like it'll be Lawrence, and while Hudson got in at SAG, she's unlikely at BAFTA. None of the major BAFTA contenders like Scanlan or Rushbrook are getting in at the Oscar. So for lack of a reasonable alternative, I think Stewart's still getting nominated.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jan 13, 2022 18:22:00 GMT
I think so but hard to see her having any shot at winning unless she wins Bafta and gets a big late surge. Crazy how she went from presumed front runner to fighting for the 5th spot in only a matter of weeks. But I’ll be rooting for her to get the nom at least since I thought she was pretty great and also has gotten the short end of the stick in terms of post-Twilight public perception.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 13, 2022 18:29:39 GMT
I actually think she could still win BAFTA - although apparently I'm stupid for thinking that - I dunno she went from favorite to also ran awfully quick........too quick maybe But Kidman (atm) had won 0 precursors (partially because, shhhhhhh she's fine but not that good in this) aside from a never mattered less Golden Globe, Gaga has the "she's a singer not an a 'thespian" on the level of these other ladies.........and half of us thought her movie sucked anyway" barrier, Chastain is in a movie that doesn't track with much weight............ and Colman..........well Colman might win BAFTA and win the Oscar I just don't think we can read precursors like we've done in the past ..........Stewart's big advantage was that she was fully integrated into her role - she WAS her role to a degree none of the others were at all (Kidman has Bardem, Gaga has a great supporting cast, Colman shares with Buckley etc.) I still think Stewart's safe .....
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Post by Allenism on Jan 13, 2022 18:42:34 GMT
The SAG is a body that nominated Sarah Silverman for I Smile Back and Naomi Watts for St. Vincent., they've set a precedent for occasionally including whackadoo choices that aren't anywhere near the Oscar-race conversation. Them snubbing Stewart definitely kills her chances at winning gold, but I still have moderate confidence she'll make the final line-up.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 18:44:05 GMT
they've set a precedent for occasionally including whackadoo choices that aren't anywhere near the Oscar-race conversation. Right? They are such philistines.
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Post by filmnoir on Jan 13, 2022 18:45:06 GMT
I actually think she could still win BAFTA - although apparently I'm stupid for thinking that - I dunno she went from favorite to also ran awfully quick........too quick maybe But Kidman (atm) had won 0 precursors (partially because, shhhhhhh she's fine but not that good in this) aside from a never mattered less Golden Globe, Gaga has the "she's a singer not an a 'thespian" on the level of these other ladies.........and half of us thought her movie sucked anyway" barrier, Chastain is in a movie that doesn't track with much weight............ and Colman..........well Colman might win BAFTA and win the Oscar I just don't think we can read precursors like we've done in the past ..........Stewart's big advantage was that she was fully integrated into her role - she WAS her role to a degree none of the others were at all (Kidman has Bardem, Gaga has a great supporting cast, Colman shares with Buckley etc.) I still think Stewart's safe .....
She's done winning. Fans will set themselves up for disappointment if they think otherwise. She lost the Globe, got snubbed at SAG. Being the Ricardos and House of Gucci fared much better with the BAFTA long list than Spencer.
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Post by wilcinema on Jan 13, 2022 18:47:30 GMT
I think momentum has collapsed in a spectacular way, and momentum matters a lot in the Oscar race. The movie is bombing with industry and audiences, and she's very vulnerable at BAFTA too (I'm predicting a snub there). I think she has around 30% of a chance to get in, mainly off residual buzz from her critical run, but there's not enough passion for her, which is sad because it's an actually great performance. I see Cruz as more of a passion pick for the Academy, even though she's very vulnerable too.
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Post by stephen on Jan 13, 2022 19:10:29 GMT
I think momentum has collapsed in a spectacular way, and momentum matters a lot in the Oscar race. The movie is bombing with industry and audiences, and she's very vulnerable at BAFTA too (I'm predicting a snub there). I think she has around 30% of a chance to get in, mainly off residual buzz from her critical run, but there's not enough passion for her, which is sad because it's an actually great performance. I see Cruz as more of a passion pick for the Academy, even though she's very vulnerable too. Cruz could very well pull a Cotillard in 2014 (a very similar track record), but I'm not 100% sold on that. She didn't even make the BAFTA longlist even though her film did in International Feature and Original Screenplay.
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Post by ibbi on Jan 13, 2022 19:20:57 GMT
If BAFTA go as full-on hardcore PC as they did last year they won't have many spots for whitey (this could also get Jennifer Hudson in, and who would bet against her with both BAFTA and SAG under her belt?) so she's by no means guaranteed a nom, and at that point it's anyones guess.
That said, I do have a hard time believing this country will miss a chance to cream their shorts over anything related to that whack-ass motherfucker, so I say she gets in, and the Oscar nom is a safe bet.
THAT said, the fact that neither beloved homegrowns Spall and Hawkins even made the longlists makes me think maybe people just didn't like that movie very much?
Personally I think she has a pretty good shot, but that's in part because I still have a hard time believing that Chastain movie is closer to being an Oscar contender than Razzie one.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jan 13, 2022 19:52:24 GMT
SAG are populist dopes. Stewart is getting nominated.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 20:05:00 GMT
That said, I do have a hard time believing this country will miss a chance to cream their shorts over anything related to that whack-ass motherfucker, so I say she gets in, and the Oscar nom is a safe bet. This might be part of a much larger discussion, and perhaps it isn't appropriate to ask here, but... Why do you hate Lady Diana Spencer so much?
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Post by LaraQ on Jan 13, 2022 20:13:31 GMT
I still think she gets in,but there's no way she's winning.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 20:14:23 GMT
I still think she gets in,but there's no way she's winning. Do you think she's in at BAFTA?
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Post by LaraQ on Jan 13, 2022 20:16:58 GMT
I still think she gets in,but there's no way she's winning. Do you think she's in at BAFTA? Yes.I would be stunned if she wasn't nominated.She may even win there, which would obviously help her chances with The Academy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 20:28:20 GMT
NEON comes out swinging: “Kristen Stewart gives the performance of her life as Diana Spencer. There is no ignoring her tour de force in SPENCER. The technical demands of the role from strict posture to posh accent are absorbed into an intimate and indelible portrayal that finds the grit, grace and grieving heart of a caged spirit.” Peter Travers, ABC News
https://www.instagram.com/p/CYrlBmWv6Is
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Post by quetee on Jan 13, 2022 20:32:43 GMT
If BAFTA snubs her and goes with Rachel from WSS then she's probably in trouble. I think Cruz can get in on respect alone.
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Post by ibbi on Jan 13, 2022 20:36:44 GMT
That said, I do have a hard time believing this country will miss a chance to cream their shorts over anything related to that whack-ass motherfucker, so I say she gets in, and the Oscar nom is a safe bet. This might be part of a much larger discussion, and perhaps it isn't appropriate to ask here, but... Why do you hate Lady Diana Spencer so much? Sorry for the confusion, but when I said 'whack-ass motherfucker' I was talking about Colonel Sanders. Though to answer your question there's a number of reasons - the first is the same reasons people hate the Kardashians. The second that she had the same sort of Djokovic/Trump act being the privileged rich fuck who cons the mob into thinking they're one of 'the people' oppressed by the elite, and the embarrassing hysteria that followed (apologies to Novak, at least he made his own money). The third is nicely enough summed up by that Blair rant at the end of The Queen.
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Post by DanQuixote on Jan 13, 2022 20:37:27 GMT
Colman, Gaga and Kidman seem pretty safe to me. I think Chastain and Stewart are 4th and 5th respectively at the moment. Hudson and Zegler are strong competitors that could easily knock Stewart out. I’m still not fully discounting Cruz either. She’s campaigning heavily in LA at the moment apparently.
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Post by flasuss on Jan 13, 2022 21:23:02 GMT
Some people here are bipolar, it seems- a few days ago she was a lock to win, now she's clearly not even getting a nomination. Settle down a little bit.
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Post by Brother Fease on Jan 13, 2022 23:23:31 GMT
Lets recap the major awards so far.
Kidman, Chastain, Colman, and Gaga scored globe, critics choice, and sag nominations. Ziegler won NBR and Globe. Gaga won NY. Penelope Cruz won both LA and the NSFC. Kidman won Globe. Alana Haim and Kristen Stewart scored both Globe and Critics Choice nomination. Jennifer Hudson got nominated at SAG. And then you have Jennifer Lawrence and Emilia Jones, who are attached to strong best picture contenders. That's 11 contenders so far.
The big problem for Stewart is the lack of strong buzz for her picture. Voters could see Ziegler or Jones as the more palpable performance due to their love of the film.
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Post by Brother Fease on Jan 13, 2022 23:26:17 GMT
Some people here are bipolar, it seems- a few days ago she was a lock to win, now she's clearly not even getting a nomination. Settle down a little bit.Exactly. We still have the BAFTAs. It's not the end of the world that Stewart didn't get SAG love.
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Post by havok2 on Jan 14, 2022 23:37:24 GMT
Only if she gets BAFTA
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jan 14, 2022 23:51:44 GMT
Some people here are bipolar, it seems- a few days ago she was a lock to win, now she's clearly not even getting a nomination. Settle down a little bit. well to be fair Stewart was the presumed frontrunner because of who she was playing, because the critics loved her and there didn't seem to be a strong alternative but with Spencer being as weak as it is in above-the-line categories I've seen plenty of people contesting her strength for a couple weeks now. Her movie is too divisive and too left-field. I'm in the majority who thinks she still gets in but voters clearly aren't vibing with the movie that much and that's a huge disadvantage for her.
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