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Post by havok2 on Dec 11, 2021 20:59:19 GMT
None of the mentioned are guarantee of a Best Picture win. LOL at including Rotten Tomatoes. Best Picture doesn't go to outright flops. 'Why don't we wait' is a huge cope at this point. It's not gonna have good legs since everyone will tune to watch Spiderman and then Matrix instead. Maybe it could do Mary Poppins/Showman business and get a pity BP nomination. Nobody said it guarantees a BP but it shows audiences love it. This helps. Box Office won't matter much this year with COVID and all the streaming options. WSS will still end as the 2nd highest grossing BP nominee (behind Dune). It makes more sense as a winner than anything else right now. Bad press is already out. Also critics don't vote. Metacritic scores don't mean shit to the Academy. And WSS is not a streaming release, is it. It won't end as a winner and it will not be the second highest grossing BP nominee
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Post by wallsofjericho on Dec 11, 2021 21:44:04 GMT
Switching to West Side Story.
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Post by mhynson27 on Dec 11, 2021 22:25:37 GMT
Switching to West Side Story, just to spite havok.
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Post by pessimusreincarnated on Dec 11, 2021 22:27:52 GMT
In a field of what seems to be mostly lightweight contenders, West Side Story certainly looks like it's got this in the bag now. The reviews are beyond stellar, with both critics and audiences very much taking to it. We'll see how it fairs box office-wise, looks to be underperforming at the moment, but it could end up having very good legs with Spider-Man as its only real roadblock these next few weeks, and that will likely be attracting a different demographic altogether.
Genuinely asking, what's its main competition for BP at this point? Nightmare Alley and Don't Look Up seem to be disappointments. Power of the Dog has a chance maybe, but that hasn't made much of a splash and the Netflix release may hurt its chances (see Roma andThe Irishman). Licorice Pizza is too niche and the Academy seems resistant to give PTA the big prize. Belfast is the big "Oscar bait" title and will probably be its toughest competitor, but it's not like it got an incredible reception or anything.
Seems like a no-brainer to me. Another BP winner for Spielberg, and likely another Best Director as well.
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Post by quetee on Dec 11, 2021 22:52:10 GMT
In a field of what seems to be mostly lightweight contenders, West Side Story certainly looks like it's got this in the bag now. The reviews are beyond stellar, with both critics and audiences very much taking to it. We'll see how it fairs box office-wise, looks to be underperforming at the moment, but it could end up having very good legs with Spider-Man as its only real roadblock these next few weeks, and that will likely be attracting a different demographic altogether. Genuinely asking, what's its main competition for BP at this point? Nightmare Alley and Don't Look Up seem to be disappointments. Power of the Dog has a chance maybe, but that hasn't made much of a splash and the Netflix release may hurt its chances (see Roma and The Irishman). Licorice Pizza is too niche and the Academy seems resistant to give PTA the big prize. Belfast is the big "Oscar bait" title and will probably be its toughest competitor, but it's not like it got an incredible reception or anything. Seems like a no-brainer to me. Another BP winner for Spielberg, and likely another Best Director as well. It's Licorice Prize. We keep writing it off because it's niche. It seems to be the one more that is consistently showing up.
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Post by havok2 on Dec 11, 2021 22:59:43 GMT
In a field of what seems to be mostly lightweight contenders, West Side Story certainly looks like it's got this in the bag now. The reviews are beyond stellar, with both critics and audiences very much taking to it. We'll see how it fairs box office-wise, looks to be underperforming at the moment, but it could end up having very good legs with Spider-Man as its only real roadblock these next few weeks, and that will likely be attracting a different demographic altogether. Genuinely asking, what's its main competition for BP at this point? Nightmare Alley and Don't Look Up seem to be disappointments. Power of the Dog has a chance maybe, but that hasn't made much of a splash and the Netflix release may hurt its chances (see Roma and The Irishman). Licorice Pizza is too niche and the Academy seems resistant to give PTA the big prize. Belfast is the big "Oscar bait" title and will probably be its toughest competitor, but it's not like it got an incredible reception or anything. Seems like a no-brainer to me. Another BP winner for Spielberg, and likely another Best Director as well. Nope. Audience reception is irrelevant when only 230 people per theater are seeing it. Some are reporting walkouts too. Movie Awards fails yet again at predicting the Best Picture winner for the 9th time
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Post by pessimusreincarnated on Dec 12, 2021 0:52:31 GMT
In a field of what seems to be mostly lightweight contenders, West Side Story certainly looks like it's got this in the bag now. The reviews are beyond stellar, with both critics and audiences very much taking to it. We'll see how it fairs box office-wise, looks to be underperforming at the moment, but it could end up having very good legs with Spider-Man as its only real roadblock these next few weeks, and that will likely be attracting a different demographic altogether. Genuinely asking, what's its main competition for BP at this point? Nightmare Alley and Don't Look Up seem to be disappointments. Power of the Dog has a chance maybe, but that hasn't made much of a splash and the Netflix release may hurt its chances (see Roma and The Irishman). Licorice Pizza is too niche and the Academy seems resistant to give PTA the big prize. Belfast is the big "Oscar bait" title and will probably be its toughest competitor, but it's not like it got an incredible reception or anything. Seems like a no-brainer to me. Another BP winner for Spielberg, and likely another Best Director as well. Nope. Audience reception is irrelevant when only 230 people per theater are seeing it. Some are reporting walkouts too. Movie Awards fails yet again at predicting the Best Picture winner for the 9th time there's walkouts for every movie. also i addressed the low box office numbers, if WOM is good (which it likely will be, given the A cinemascore), the film's staying power could propel it to a solid final tally.
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Post by futuretrunks on Dec 12, 2021 2:14:02 GMT
I think it's between West Side Story and Belfast. WSS is interesting, but actually more viscerally traumatic than joyous/emotionally expansive; not a value judgment, but I can see that impacting voting. The movie felt to me like more of a gut punch than Schindler's List, which sounds crazy, but isn't. Belfast might be too light, but on the whole it feels like the most balanced contender from what I've seen. King Richard and Power of the Dog have zero chance of winning; KR is the definition of basic, and PoTD is an elliptical mess that audiences are not into at all despite all of this talk about it doing "well" on Netflix (I guarantee it'll have the most negative audience reviews of every Netflix release in contention this season). I don't know what to say about Licorice Pizza; it certainly has raves, but I find it hard to believe PTA made an actually crowd-pleasing film, as he certainly hasn't since Boogie Nights, and all of the talk about meandering has me suspicious that the RT/MC/Letterboxd fanfare may come to an end real quick once it expands per usual with him.
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Post by filmnoir on Dec 12, 2021 2:33:28 GMT
Whenever the over confident "has it in the bag", "no brainer", "another BP win" - are thrown around this early, it's the kiss of death. Especially with the preferential ballot for Best Picture. La La Land, Roma, 1917. Enough said.
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Post by morton on Dec 29, 2021 7:34:18 GMT
Oh no!!! Why do I have the feeling it’s really going to happen. I’m not even searching for Don’t Look Up reactions, but I can’t help but see mostly see blue check marks especially within the Industry acting like it’s actually solved the Climate Crisis. So now I’ve switched back to predicting DLU to win BP. Sure there’s some criticism I’ve seen, but the Industry people really seem to love it and not in just this was a great movie way, but in a “this important movie must be seen by all.” Belfast has the “movies are important” thing going on as well, but I don’t think any other contender can compete with Don’t Look Up as far as feeling the most important and that might be all it needs this year. I thought the poor reviews for it would stop it from winning Best Picture, but unfortunately I think those might actually help in the end because some of those that really love it have made it seem like an underdog movie that elitist critics who are like the clueless characters in the film. I really thought its BP chances were done, but I guess I should have waited before jumping off the bandwagon. It’s drawing a lot of eyes to it unlike most other films that will be nominated for Best Picture. I know Green Book won not so long ago, so it’s definitely possible something like Belfast that feels like something that would have won before 2010, at least to me, wins this year, but I think Don’t Look Up is going to be the cool choice and won’t have as many minuses as Roma did. Plus I think it’s winning Editing and probably Original Screenplay now, while The Power of the Dog wins Director and Adapted Screenplay.
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Post by JangoB on Dec 29, 2021 10:41:41 GMT
Oh no!!! Why do I have the feeling it’s really going to happen. I’m not even searching for Don’t Look Up reactions, but I can’t help but see mostly see blue check marks especially within the Industry acting like it’s actually solved the Climate Crisis. So now I’ve switched back to predicting DLU to win BP. Sure there’s some criticism I’ve seen, but the Industry people really seem to love it and not in just this was a great movie way, but in a “this important movie must be seen by all.” Belfast has the “movies are important” thing going on as well, but I don’t think any other contender can compete with Don’t Look Up as far as feeling the most important and that might be all it needs this year. I thought the poor reviews for it would stop it from winning Best Picture, but unfortunately I think those might actually help in the end because some of those that really love it have made it seem like an underdog movie that elitist critics who are like the clueless characters in the film. I really thought its BP chances were done, but I guess I should have waited before jumping off the bandwagon. It’s drawing a lot of eyes to it unlike most other films that will be nominated for Best Picture. I know Green Book won not so long ago, so it’s definitely possible something like Belfast that feels like something that would have won before 2010, at least to me, wins this year, but I think Don’t Look Up is going to be the cool choice and won’t have as many minuses as Roma did. Plus I think it’s winning Editing and probably Original Screenplay now, while The Power of the Dog wins Director and Adapted Screenplay. Breathe...Just breathe... It's clearly a movie that hits exactly the target audience it was aiming for. It's preaching to the choir and the choir is eating it up. The smug tweets which can be summed up by "If you don't like DLU, you're like the ignorant characters from it" are frequent. Scientists tweet that they live like this every day. The movie's definitely having its big moment this week. I'm still not sure this translates into a proper BP win (it would be the least acclaimed BP winner in eons, wouldn't it?) but there's stuff to think about here for sure. For most of the year DLU seemed like the most logical BP candidate to me but then the reviews kinda stopped that...but yeah, what if it can overcome them? We'll see how it holds up in the coming months though. It's having its moment now but the situation may calm down. At the same time, I can see it reach the logical conclusion of the McKay prestige trilogy and win the damn thing. Crazy stuff.
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Post by havok2 on Feb 3, 2022 21:33:55 GMT
Switching to West Side Story, just to spite havok.
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