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Post by stephen on Oct 30, 2021 1:00:32 GMT
Piggybacking off the other thread, what are some critics' sweeps you absolutely were not here for.
Speaking personally, I will never understand what the fuck people saw in Patricia Arquette's performance in Boyhood.
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Post by pupdurcs on Oct 30, 2021 1:33:59 GMT
No idea what the fuck Laura Dern in Marriage Story was about.
I like that Dern has an Oscar, but that is the kind of sweep that devalues critics sweeps in general and makes it clear that critics awards also play the "overdue/it's their time" card.
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Post by michael128 on Oct 30, 2021 7:28:57 GMT
Michelle Pfeiffer. Nasty.
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Post by wallsofjericho on Oct 30, 2021 7:44:13 GMT
Piggybacking off the other thread, what are some critics' sweeps you absolutely were not here for. Speaking personally, I will never understand what the fuck people saw in Patricia Arquette's performance in Boyhood. This 100%. Also, I know people love his performance but I really didn't think Casey Affleck should have dominated the way he did. For me personally, the performance hasn't aged well and the film definitely hasn't either. If he swept for Jesse James I would have been all for it. |
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Post by mhynson27 on Oct 30, 2021 7:59:03 GMT
Yeah, gotta go with Dern on this one.
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Oct 30, 2021 14:43:44 GMT
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Post by filmnoir on Oct 30, 2021 15:48:00 GMT
No idea what the fuck Laura Dern in Marriage Story was about. I like that Dern has an Oscar, but that is the kind of sweep that devalues critics sweeps in general and makes it clear that critics awards also play the "overdue/it's their time" card. But you have to remember that at one point, JLo was considered a front runner. That was definitely base more on a rabid PR campaign. |
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Oct 30, 2021 18:46:50 GMT
No idea what the fuck Laura Dern in Marriage Story was about. I like that Dern has an Oscar, but that is the kind of sweep that devalues critics sweeps in general and makes it clear that critics awards also play the "overdue/it's their time" card. But you have to remember that at one point, JLo was considered a front runner. That was definitely base more on a rabid PR campaign. And also just based on the opinions of people that simply watched both performances. |
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Post by flasuss on Oct 31, 2021 23:08:33 GMT
No idea what the fuck Laura Dern in Marriage Story was about. I like that Dern has an Oscar, but that is the kind of sweep that devalues critics sweeps in general and makes it clear that critics awards also play the "overdue/it's their time" card. Oh, at this point, most critics associations are no better than the Golden Globes or BFCA. They just want the attention to be called the ones that predict the Oscars. |
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Post by franklin on Nov 2, 2021 10:29:18 GMT
Renee Zellweger in Judy
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Post by thomasjerome on Nov 2, 2021 13:03:57 GMT
Jared Leto winning both NY and LA for "Dallas Buyers Club" is hardly something I can support.
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Post by vinnyt on Nov 3, 2021 23:32:09 GMT
 That was Johansson's award. Out the fucking gate it should have been hers but everyone felt bad for Renee for some god forsaken reason.
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Post by akittystang on Nov 4, 2021 15:47:38 GMT
I re-watched this recently: Except for the Trolley Song sequence, (that Judy Davis didn't want to do to begin with), Judy Davis and Tammy Blanchard are perfect and I would consider it the definitive take on Judy Garland's life. As far as Renee's performance, my partner said it best: "I've seen drag queens do better." |
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Nov 4, 2021 16:22:08 GMT
Jennifer Lawrence for SLP (especially her beating Emmanuelle Riva and Jessica Chastain)  |
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Post by michael128 on Nov 4, 2021 19:39:57 GMT
That was Johansson's award. Out the fucking gate it should have been hers but everyone felt bad for Renee for some god forsaken reason. .... for what? she was decent in jojo rabbit, but she was OBJECTIVELY bad in marriage story |
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Post by flasuss on Nov 5, 2021 0:27:27 GMT
That was Johansson's award. Out the fucking gate it should have been hers but everyone felt bad for Renee for some god forsaken reason. .... for what? she was decent in jojo rabbit, but she was OBJECTIVELY bad in marriage story  |
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Post by vinnyt on Nov 7, 2021 13:33:57 GMT
That was Johansson's award. Out the fucking gate it should have been hers but everyone felt bad for Renee for some god forsaken reason. .... for what? she was decent in jojo rabbit, but she was OBJECTIVELY bad in marriage story I ignore any opinion that is presented with the word objective/objectively in bold. |
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Post by michael128 on Nov 7, 2021 18:03:33 GMT
.... for what? she was decent in jojo rabbit, but she was OBJECTIVELY bad in marriage story I ignore any opinion that is presented with the word objective/objectively in bold. so you mean the loser/hater that quoted me right? cause i didn't bold shit |
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Nov 8, 2021 9:58:51 GMT
I re-watched this recently: Except for the Trolley Song sequence, (that Judy Davis didn't want to do in to begin with), Judy Davis and Tammy Blanchard are perfect and I would consider it the definitive take on Judy Garland's life. As far as Renee's performance, my partner said it best: "I've seen drag queens do better." I despised that film as a whole (Judy). I wrote the most scathing review on my IG after I saw it.  That movie made me so mad. They did everything wrong. Horrible flashbacks with a horrible young Judy. Completely missed the boat on the open-wounded magic she possessed in those later years as a performer (or maybe that was Renee's fault). They took one of the most interesting Hollywood figures ever and made such a borefest of a movie. How many times do you want to drum in our heads that her problems made her unreliable? And that dumb ending to cap it off. smh. |
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 8, 2021 10:37:07 GMT
I re-watched this recently: Except for the Trolley Song sequence, (that Judy Davis didn't want to do in to begin with), Judy Davis and Tammy Blanchard are perfect and I would consider it the definitive take on Judy Garland's life. As far as Renee's performance, my partner said it best: "I've seen drag queens do better." I despised that film as a whole (Judy). I wrote the most scathing review on my IG after I saw it. That movie made me so mad. They did everything wrong. Horrible flashbacks with a horrible young Judy. Completely missed the boat on the open-wounded magic she possessed in those later years as a performer (or maybe that was Renee's fault). They took one of the most interesting Hollywood figures ever and made such a borefest of a movie. How many times do you want to drum in our heads that her problems made her unreliable? And that dumb ending to cap it off. smh. Makes you wonder...has winning a Best Actress Oscar ever done less for a career than it has for Renee Zellweger in Judy?You'd expect it to catapult her right back to the top of the A-list. Big time directors fighting to cast her in their next big project. But it's mostly been crickets. No major casting announcements, no indication that big directors are back in the "Renee Zellweger business ". It's very strange. |
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Post by stephen on Nov 8, 2021 13:40:39 GMT
Makes you wonder...has winning a Best Actress Oscar ever done less for a career than it has for Renee Zellweger in Judy?You'd expect it to catapult her right back to the top of the A-list. Big time directors fighting to cast her in their next big project. But it's mostly been crickets. No major casting announcements, no indication that big directors are back in the "Renee Zellweger business ". It's very strange. To be fair, there's been a pandemic going on and Zellweger was off the grid for so long that going radio silent again isn't that big of a deal. She could conceivably go the DDL route and keep years between projects and only come back when there's something worth her time. Honestly, with two Oscars under her belt, that might be the best course of action. |
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 8, 2021 16:10:15 GMT
Makes you wonder...has winning a Best Actress Oscar ever done less for a career than it has for Renee Zellweger in Judy?You'd expect it to catapult her right back to the top of the A-list. Big time directors fighting to cast her in their next big project. But it's mostly been crickets. No major casting announcements, no indication that big directors are back in the "Renee Zellweger business ". It's very strange. To be fair, there's been a pandemic going on and Zellweger was off the grid for so long that going radio silent again isn't that big of a deal. She could conceivably go the DDL route and keep years between projects and only come back when there's something worth her time. Honestly, with two Oscars under her belt, that might be the best course of action. Yeah, this doesn't seem like a particularly credible theory, imho. She is a woman in her 50's, who was considered a has-been for 15 years till her recent Oscar win. This was her big comeback. She is not DDL, never will never will be DDL and can't afford to treat her career like his, where even in retirement, he could still probably approach any top director and say he's ready to come back and get cast as a lead. She is not in his position to sit around and be super-selective, 2 Oscars or not. Zellweger just didn't get any heat from her win. It happens. |
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Post by stephen on Nov 8, 2021 16:15:47 GMT
Yeah, this doesn't seem like a particularly credible theory, imho. She is a woman in her 50's, who was considered a has-been for 15 years till her recent Oscar win. This was her big comeback. She is not DDL, never will never will be DDL and can't afford to treat her career like his, where even in retirement, he could still probably approach any top director and say he'd ready to come back and get cast as a lead. She is not in his position to sit around and be super-selective, 2 Oscars or not. Zellweger just didn't get any heat from her win. It happens. Well, she does have an upcoming limited series for NBC that could pay out dividends for her a la Patricia Arquette. And even though Zellweger doesn't have the mystique of Daniel Day-Lewis, she is a two-time Oscar-winning actress who doesn't work as frequently, so any time she does anything, it will have at least some sort of profile. You can count Zellweger's fallow period against her, and that's fair, but she came back with zero momentum and damn near swept the season. She did that off the back of a maligned first win, too. Winning her second consecrated her status in the industry. She may not have the choicest roles offered to her, but anything she actually does decide to do going forward is automatically going to get some attention. Whether it lives up to that attention remains to be seen, but Zellweger's career is extremely atypical, even for a woman in her fifties. |
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 8, 2021 16:29:16 GMT
Yeah, this doesn't seem like a particularly credible theory, imho. She is a woman in her 50's, who was considered a has-been for 15 years till her recent Oscar win. This was her big comeback. She is not DDL, never will never will be DDL and can't afford to treat her career like his, where even in retirement, he could still probably approach any top director and say he'd ready to come back and get cast as a lead. She is not in his position to sit around and be super-selective, 2 Oscars or not. Zellweger just didn't get any heat from her win. It happens. Well, she does have an upcoming limited series for NBC that could pay out dividends for her a la Patricia Arquette. And even though Zellweger doesn't have the mystique of Daniel Day-Lewis, she is a two-time Oscar-winning actress who doesn't work as frequently, so any time she does anything, it will have at least some sort of profile. You can count Zellweger's fallow period against her, and that's fair, but she came back with zero momentum and damn near swept the season. She did that off the back of a maligned first win, too. Winning her second consecrated her status in the industry. She may not have the choicest roles offered to her, but anything she actually does decide to do going forward is automatically going to get some attention. Whether it lives up to that attention remains to be seen, but Zellweger's career is extremely atypical, even for a woman in her fifties. I kinda disagree. She feels more like another Hillary Swank in terms of industry stature (both with 2 Oscars . It ain't everything. Ask Christoph Waltz) . They couldn't deny her the second Oscar, but they simply are not all-in on her (like Swank) or her career and maybe struggle to see her cast in other prestige projects over so many other available options. It feels like there are a good dozen or more caucasian actresses in her age/playing range well ahead in the industry casting pecking order over her.... Kate Winslet, Cate Blanchett, Nicole Kidman, Charlize Theron, Frances McDormand, Julia Roberts, Julianne Moore, Tilda Swinton, Rachel Weisz, Sandra Bullock, Olivia Colman, Elizabeth Moss, Angelina Jolie etc |
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Post by stephen on Nov 8, 2021 16:39:00 GMT
Well, she does have an upcoming limited series for NBC that could pay out dividends for her a la Patricia Arquette. And even though Zellweger doesn't have the mystique of Daniel Day-Lewis, she is a two-time Oscar-winning actress who doesn't work as frequently, so any time she does anything, it will have at least some sort of profile. You can count Zellweger's fallow period against her, and that's fair, but she came back with zero momentum and damn near swept the season. She did that off the back of a maligned first win, too. Winning her second consecrated her status in the industry. She may not have the choicest roles offered to her, but anything she actually does decide to do going forward is automatically going to get some attention. Whether it lives up to that attention remains to be seen, but Zellweger's career is extremely atypical, even for a woman in her fifties. I kinda disagree. She feels more like another Hillary Swank in terms of industry stature (both with 2 Oscars . It ain't everything. Ask Christoph Waltz) . They couldn't deny her the second Oscar, but they simply are not all-in on her (like Swank) or her career and maybe struggle to see her cast in other prestige projects over so many other available options. It feels like there are a good dozen or more caucasian actresses in her age/playing range well ahead in the industry casting pecking order over her.... Kate Winslet, Cate Blanchett, Nicole Kidman, Charlize Theron, Frances McDormand, Julia Roberts, Julianne Moore, Tilda Swinton, Rachel Weisz, Sandra Bullock, Olivia Colman, Elizabeth Moss, Angelina Jolie etcThe problem Swank had was that she peaked so early and everything after that point wasn't going to live up to those early lofty peaks (two wins off two nominations is setting the bar to such a high degree that it's almost impossible to maintain that momentum). Zellweger at least had a long cool-off period where voters and critics could be reminded of her talent without feeling they had over-rewarded her in such a short burst already (and for the more cynical-minded, a part of her second win might have been retroactively validating her first). Now, I'm not saying that Zellweger is at the top of the chain. Most of those actresses certainly would get dibs on roles before her because they are far more frequently working, and if you're not in the public consciousness, you lose a lot of that heat. But if she ever does get something going, it will automatically be seen as a sight-unseen contender because of how rarely she works, and that second Oscar puts her in rarefied air. I mean, even Swank and Waltz still have residual heat even after their luster faded; any time either gets attached to something remotely baity, they get more attention than they would if those roles were played by anyone else. It comes with the territory of being a multi-Oscar winner. |
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That was Johansson's award. Out the fucking gate it should have been hers but everyone felt bad for Renee for some god forsaken reason.
That movie made me so mad. They did everything wrong. Horrible flashbacks with a horrible young Judy. Completely missed the boat on the open-wounded magic she possessed in those later years as a performer (or maybe that was Renee's fault). They took one of the most interesting Hollywood figures ever and made such a borefest of a movie. How many times do you want to drum in our heads that her problems made her unreliable? And that dumb ending to cap it off. smh.