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Post by michael128 on Sept 17, 2021 15:09:20 GMT
Would JLaw be Oscar-less by now? Discuss.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Sept 17, 2021 15:23:55 GMT
Yup. Don't see any way she overtakes that 12 Years a Slave girl and that other white girl's name I forget from Room. Bria something.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2021 15:36:06 GMT
It's a good question... The race between Nyong'o and Lawrence in 2013 was incredibly close, even with Lawrence having won the year prior.
My guess is no, but again... Super close.
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Post by michael128 on Sept 17, 2021 15:44:57 GMT
It's a good question... The race between Nyong'o and Lawrence in 2013 was incredibly close, even with Lawrence having won the year prior. My guess is no, but again... Super close. no as in she wouldn't be oscar-less? having won for AH?
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Post by michael128 on Sept 17, 2021 15:45:19 GMT
thank you for telling me it's a good question
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Post by stephen on Sept 17, 2021 15:50:39 GMT
I think Lawrence's BAFTA in 2013 was largely to make up for not awarding her the year prior, and HFPA loved her so much that of course they'd give her the win for American Hustle. I think, however, SAG would still have recognized Nyong'o over her, and that performance is so much awards catnip and American Hustle lost so much steam that season that even if she hadn't won in 2012, I think the end result would still have been the same in 2013. She probably also doesn't win for Joy, so it's very likely Lawrence would remain winless if her career trajectory were the same.
The question is, would her career trajectory post-Oscar be the same? Does she still have the burnout phase when she takes a step back from the industry (barring the occasional Mystique appearance)? Does she take more interesting roles to capitalize on that momentum?
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Post by flasuss on Sept 17, 2021 16:14:01 GMT
The question is, would her career trajectory post-Oscar be the same? Does she still have the burnout phase when she takes a step back from the industry (barring the occasional Mystique appearance)? Does she take more interesting roles to capitalize on that momentum? That's the question. She wouldn't have won for her first 4 noms, but she might have taken a different career trajectory, trying to capitalize on the overdue factor.
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Sept 17, 2021 16:21:08 GMT
No. It’s not like she would have been considered overdue enough at that age to change any votes from Lupita to her
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Post by JangoB on Sept 17, 2021 16:21:09 GMT
I think she would've easily won for American Hustle.
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Post by stephen on Sept 17, 2021 16:23:58 GMT
The question is, would her career trajectory post-Oscar be the same? Does she still have the burnout phase when she takes a step back from the industry (barring the occasional Mystique appearance)? Does she take more interesting roles to capitalize on that momentum? That's the question. She wouldn't have won for her first 4 noms, but she might have taken a different career trajectory, trying to capitalize on the overdue factor. Furthermore, if she doesn't win the Oscar in 2012, does BAFTA feel the need to reward her because they feel they missed the boat the prior year? Could be Nyong'o just scores there as well and American Hustle becomes even more of a non-factor.
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Post by stephen on Sept 17, 2021 16:26:04 GMT
The question is, would her career trajectory post-Oscar be the same? Does she still have the burnout phase when she takes a step back from the industry (barring the occasional Mystique appearance)? Does she take more interesting roles to capitalize on that momentum? That's the question. She wouldn't have won for her first 4 noms, but she might have taken a different career trajectory, trying to capitalize on the overdue factor. It should be noted that her Oscar win could easily be seen as the start of the Lawrence backlash. Remember people mocking her for her fall, and saying that was staged/calculated? People turned on her real quick that year.
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 17, 2021 16:27:44 GMT
Science oven says "Yes, Oscar-less"
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Post by flasuss on Sept 17, 2021 16:33:29 GMT
I think she would've easily won for American Hustle. ...Nope. She might even won, though saying she would take it easily is non-sense. 12 Years a Slave won BP over stiff competition and Nyong'o was their main chance of another award, while American Hustle lost a lot of steam during the season. And if Lawrence won for THAT role and THAT performance over Nyong'o, it would probably be the biggest backlash any winner had in decades, if not all time.
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Post by stephen on Sept 17, 2021 16:46:41 GMT
I think she would've easily won for American Hustle. ...Nope. She might even won, though saying she would take it easily is non-sense. 12 Years a Slave won BP over stiff competition and Nyong'o was their main chance of another award, while American Hustle lost a lot of steam during the season. And if Lawrence won for THAT role and THAT performance over Nyong'o, it would probably be the biggest backlash any winner had in decades, if not all time. Indeed. With it having no shot at taking Actor or Supporting Actor, Nyong'o was the film's best chance at an above-the-line award aside from Screenplay. And while we saw Spotlight walk away with only two Oscars only two years later, that was a far more fractured race and year than 2013. But seeing the way American Hustle wheezed to a stop before Oscar night, I can't imagine Lawrence losing the year before would've propelled her that much further than she actually got. It's feasible she could've won, and I think the margin was probably slimmer than we'd like to think . . . but I still think Lupita had the edge based off the role and the film alone, regardless of Lawrence's momentum.
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Post by stabcaesar on Sept 17, 2021 16:47:35 GMT
And if Lawrence won for THAT role and THAT performance over Nyong'o, it would probably be the biggest backlash any winner had in decades, if not all time. Not really. Nyong'o was awful in 12 Years a Slave too.
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Post by JangoB on Sept 17, 2021 16:53:24 GMT
I think she would've easily won for American Hustle. ...Nope. She might even won, though saying she would take it easily is non-sense. 12 Years a Slave won BP over stiff competition and Nyong'o was their main chance of another award, while American Hustle lost a lot of steam during the season. And if Lawrence won for THAT role and THAT performance over Nyong'o, it would probably be the biggest backlash any winner had in decades, if not all time. If she'd lost for SLP, there'd be enough good will for her to easily (in my opinion) destroy her competition. 12 Years a Slave could've won BP without winning anything else (I don't think it had stiff competition at all - there wasn't a chance for it to lose), but it always had Adapted Screenplay to snatch as well ( that was their main chance of another award). And I don't feel there'd be that much backlash because I don't really remember that Nyong'o was considered undeniable or all-time great or something. So basically I disagree with you on every point
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Post by stabcaesar on Sept 17, 2021 17:08:18 GMT
And I don't feel there'd be that much backlash because I don't really remember that Nyong'o was considered undeniable or all-time great or something. Yeah I don't get where that even comes from. Lawrence won a bunch of critics awards, as awful as she was in AH. Nyong'o didn't sweep at all and her win is like the most forgotten of the decade in that category along with Vikander's.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2021 17:20:14 GMT
And I don't feel there'd be that much backlash because I don't really remember that Nyong'o was considered undeniable or all-time great or something. Yeah I don't get where that even comes from. Lawrence won a bunch of critics awards, as awful as she was in AH. Nyong'o didn't sweep at all and her win is like the most forgotten of the decade in that category along with Vikander's. I think people are applying the optics/politics of today to 2013/14. This was pre-Trump, pre-MeToo, pre-OscarsSoWhite. it was a different world in the entertainment industry.
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Post by stephen on Sept 17, 2021 17:23:45 GMT
Yeah I don't get where that even comes from. Lawrence won a bunch of critics awards, as awful as she was in AH. Nyong'o didn't sweep at all and her win is like the most forgotten of the decade in that category along with Vikander's. I think people are applying the optics/politics of today to 2013/14. This was pre-Trump, pre-MeToo, pre-OscarsSoWhite. it was a different world in the entertainment industry. I mean, the optics were still there in 2013. 12 Years a Slave was the first time an ensemble headlined and primarily starring actors of color was getting momentum in the top category, and Nyong'o's performance was singularly raved. Politics were very much in play even then.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2021 17:29:54 GMT
I think people are applying the optics/politics of today to 2013/14. This was pre-Trump, pre-MeToo, pre-OscarsSoWhite. it was a different world in the entertainment industry. I mean, the optics were still there in 2013. 12 Years a Slave was the first time an ensemble headlined and primarily starring actors of color was getting momentum in the top category, and Nyong'o's performance was singularly raved. Politics were very much in play even then. And yet Lawrence still won the Globe, BAFTA, and multiple critics' awards.
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Post by stephen on Sept 17, 2021 17:36:33 GMT
I mean, the optics were still there in 2013. 12 Years a Slave was the first time an ensemble headlined and primarily starring actors of color was getting momentum in the top category, and Nyong'o's performance was singularly raved. Politics were very much in play even then. And yet Lawrence still won the Globe, BAFTA, and multiple critics' awards. And Nyong'o won the BFCA, the SAG, and a hefty amount of critics' prizes herself. BAFTA could easily be explained as them wanting to make up for her loss the previous year and HFPA loves Lawrence (three wins for her O. Russell outings!). Lawrence would've been in a better spot without an Oscar to her name, but I think the fact that the film lost so much momentum even with those wins shows that voters grew disenchanted with it, and Nyong'o had a star-making performance and was campaigned like crazy. She was everywhere. Could Lawrence have won? Sure. But Nyong'o had a lot going for her that year and she didn't come from out of nowhere.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2021 17:39:09 GMT
And yet Lawrence still won the Globe, BAFTA, and multiple critics' awards. But Nyong'o had a lot going for her that year and she didn't come from out of nowhere. Who said that she did? What I've said is that this was likely one of the closest Acting races of last decade.
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Post by stephen on Sept 17, 2021 17:55:56 GMT
But Nyong'o had a lot going for her that year and she didn't come from out of nowhere. Who said that she did? What I've said is that this was likely one of the closest Acting races of last decade.And I don't think that's in dispute. I was just saying that Nyong'o had an awful lot going for her and had a healthy amount of awards under her belt, and I don't think Lawrence's Oscar status would've shifted the needle much (if at all).
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Post by hugobolso on Sept 17, 2021 18:16:50 GMT
Lawrence was the favourite for best supporting actress, so clearly she could win the next year. Lupita won, because it was just too soon to give a seccond oscar to Lawrence.-
Lupita Nyongo is a Kenyan actress, not an american one, in fact she was born in Mexico. So she made a lot of press with the latino community speaking in an almost perfect spanish.-
She still doing talking spanish to the latin media.- Without Lawrence win the previous year and the push of Brad Pitt and the Hispanic Community she would lost.- For win an Oscar you have being soooo famous and beloved by the Academy, being pushed by very influential people, or have a big support from your oscar voters community.-
She was pushed by the Clooney-Pitt Gang, Fox Seachlights, part of the Africanamerican community and the latino community, without this support she would never won.-
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Post by flasuss on Sept 17, 2021 23:56:51 GMT
And if Lawrence won for THAT role and THAT performance over Nyong'o, it would probably be the biggest backlash any winner had in decades, if not all time. Not really. Nyong'o was awful in 12 Years a Slave too.
And you know pretty well it's a minority one.
The fact is Lupita Nyong'o in one of the most acclaimed supporting performances of the decade playing a slave abused by her master in the most acclaimed movie of the year losing to J-Law playing an over-the-top dumb arm candy in a shallow movie that lost a lot of steam during that season would have caused a backlash in the Crash-Brokeback Mountain level at least. And that even before #MeToo, afterwards would be held as evidence #1 of the racism of the Academy, and Lawrence would be the accidental poster girl for it.
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