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Post by urbanpatrician on Jul 21, 2021 20:56:40 GMT
Ryan Gosling - 2011 I think? I know 2011 was a huge year for him popularity wise, but I think his performance in Drive got a lot of flack and he quickly lost his "underrated great actor" cred that he gained from 2006-2010 with Half Nelson, Lars and the Real Girl, and Blue Valentine which are the stuff from him most people liked. In 2006, everytime there's a Leo vs Ryan thread, people just said Leo sucked and declared Ryan some type of God, but I think that has completely flipped now. He also had a few movies which for the most part were average or badly reviewed like Crazy, Stupid, Love, Gangster Squad, and Only God Forgives and I think lots of people just stopped being a fan at that point. La La Land got him his 2nd nod, but he is so overshadowed by Emma Stone I don't even remember his performance. Huh? Sorry but I don't agree with any of this at all. You mention that Gosling got "a lot of flack" for his performance in Drive. Where did you hear this cause by all accounts his performance was heavily praised as really good & very memorable/cool as the mysterious driver. I'll give you Gangster Squad though that was a total misfire all for everyone involved. Crazy Stupid Love was a pretty big box office success and well liked by audiences/critics alike (showcased Gosling's comedic skills really well) and Only God Forgives has a bit of a cult following (there are a good amount of people that dig that film, I'm one of them btw! ) Also he was hands down the best thing about The Place Beyond the Pines (universally praised for his performance in that one) Then he was the lead in Blade Runner 2049 which he was fantastic and followed by First Man where he was solid in as well. Sure those were disappoints at the box office at the time but he gave really good performances in them. Also can't forget about The Big Short & The Nice Guys either. The reason he took a break for quite awhile is because him and Eva Mendes had kids and he probably wanted to spend a lot of time with them. He also has quite a few interesting projects in the works and is only like what 40 years old?? Gosling is gonna be just fine. I just meant back then youre more likely to hear him being called greatest modern actor but nowadays I dunno I just hear him being called really good actor but nobody expects him to be in the same conversation as one of the greats which indicates a decline from what I've used to hearing not that hes turned to crap or anything. But I admit Im not infallible so its possible Im wrong. Don't knock my head off!...whoopsie
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Post by stephen on Jul 21, 2021 21:02:32 GMT
I just meant back then youre more likely to hear him being called greatest modern actor but nowadays I dunno I just hear him being called really good actor but nobody expects him to be in the same conversation as one of the greats which indicates a decline from what I've used to hearing not that hes turned to crap or anything. But I admit Im not infallible so its possible Im wrong. Don't knock my head off!...whoopsie Nobody was really calling Ryan Gosling the greatest modern actor before 2011. He was still seen as the Notebook guy or the former Mouseketeer. Half-Nelson gave him serious actor cred and there were those who were believers because of, er, The Believer, but Gosling wasn't taken as seriously back in the 2000s as he is today.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Jul 21, 2021 21:11:56 GMT
I just meant back then youre more likely to hear him being called greatest modern actor but nowadays I dunno I just hear him being called really good actor but nobody expects him to be in the same conversation as one of the greats which indicates a decline from what I've used to hearing not that hes turned to crap or anything. But I admit Im not infallible so its possible Im wrong. Don't knock my head off!...whoopsie Nobody was really calling Ryan Gosling the greatest modern actor before 2011. He was still seen as the Notebook guy or the former Mouseketeer. Half-Nelson gave him serious actor cred and there were those who were believers because of, er, The Believer, but Gosling wasn't taken as seriously back in the 2000s as he is today. Everything changed with Half Nelson. He was no longer The Notebook or Mouseketeer guy after that movie so I don't think that followed him that late into the 00s. Lars and the Real and Blue Valentine added to his cred and, nowadays that whatever cred you call it switched to Phoenix. However, I will say Gosling wouldn't make a Top 30 favorite actors voted here back then but I don't think it was a stretch then to call him better than DiCaprio and Washington but nowadays i don't know that many who still does.
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Post by quetee on Jul 21, 2021 21:15:50 GMT
Yeah, not signing off on the Ryan Gosling mention.
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Post by quetee on Jul 21, 2021 21:23:39 GMT
Kate Hudson was a pretty big star for a while there,the go to girl for rom coms,and that was the problem and the reason why her career cooled off so much.She did too many of them,she didn't mix it up enough.I think Mother's Day in 2016 is when people finally tired of her. Out of everyone mentioned, she had the biggest decline. I don't even know what she can do at this point especially since she's in her forties now. Maybe she could produce her own stuff? I don't know. Oh well, she started out promising.
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Post by stephen on Jul 21, 2021 21:25:34 GMT
Nobody was really calling Ryan Gosling the greatest modern actor before 2011. He was still seen as the Notebook guy or the former Mouseketeer. Half-Nelson gave him serious actor cred and there were those who were believers because of, er, The Believer, but Gosling wasn't taken as seriously back in the 2000s as he is today. Everything changed with Half Nelson. He was no longer The Notebook or Mouseketeer guy after that movie so I don't think that followed him that late into the 00s. Lars and the Real and Blue Valentine added to his cred and, nowadays that whatever cred you call it switched to Phoenix. However, I will say Gosling wouldn't make a Top 30 favorite actors voted here back then but I don't think it was a stretch then to call him better than DiCaprio and Washington but nowadays i don't know that many who still does. I remember those days. Gosling was becoming an actor to watch in the wake of Half Nelson (a film that had a strangely quiet reception on IMDb back in the day; there were some die-hard contingents for it but it was easily the least discussed of the five nominated performances in Best Actor that year), and he was becoming an indie favorite off the back of those successive films. I would argue Lars did more for him than his Oscar nomination; people were intrigued by this former pretty-boy actor who was doing weird shit like that. He became an auteur favorite really quick (as seen when he hooked up with Cianfrance), but 2011 was the apotheosis because at that point, he exploded. But I wouldn't say Phoenix usurped any of his standing, because the truth is, they don't compete for the same general roles. Phoenix's 2012 resurgence blazed a trail all on its own because he filled a void no one really knew was there. I can't think of any of Phoenix's roles with the possible exception of Her where I can easily envision Gosling being in contention. They just aren't the same type of actors. Gosling's competition has always been guys like Gyllenhaal. Phoenix is a full decade-plus older than the Goose. But that's neither here nor there. Gosling's 2011 didn't take off any of his luster. If anything, it burnished him because it gave him his signature role. You can argue the years between 2011 and 2015 were a slump in comparison (even if I think Place Beyond the Pines still keeps him afloat), but since then he's appeared in Oscar contenders and auteur projects. Gosling's probably got one of the best careers working right now. He's certainly doing better than a lot of the guys in his generation, regardless of one's feeling on the talent.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Jul 21, 2021 21:42:07 GMT
Everything changed with Half Nelson. He was no longer The Notebook or Mouseketeer guy after that movie so I don't think that followed him that late into the 00s. Lars and the Real and Blue Valentine added to his cred and, nowadays that whatever cred you call it switched to Phoenix. However, I will say Gosling wouldn't make a Top 30 favorite actors voted here back then but I don't think it was a stretch then to call him better than DiCaprio and Washington but nowadays i don't know that many who still does. I remember those days. Gosling was becoming an actor to watch in the wake of Half Nelson (a film that had a strangely quiet reception on IMDb back in the day; there were some die-hard contingents for it but it was easily the least discussed of the five nominated performances in Best Actor that year), and he was becoming an indie favorite off the back of those successive films. I would argue Lars did more for him than his Oscar nomination; people were intrigued by this former pretty-boy actor who was doing weird shit like that. He became an auteur favorite really quick (as seen when he hooked up with Cianfrance), but 2011 was the apotheosis because at that point, he exploded. But I wouldn't say Phoenix usurped any of his standing, because the truth is, they don't compete for the same general roles. Phoenix's 2012 resurgence blazed a trail all on its own because he filled a void no one really knew was there. I can't think of any of Phoenix's roles with the possible exception of Her where I can easily envision Gosling being in contention. They just aren't the same type of actors. Gosling's competition has always been guys like Gyllenhaal. Phoenix is a full decade-plus older than the Goose. But that's neither here nor there. Gosling's 2011 didn't take off any of his luster. If anything, it burnished him because it gave him his signature role. You can argue the years between 2011 and 2015 were a slump in comparison (even if I think Place Beyond the Pines still keeps him afloat), but since then he's appeared in Oscar contenders and auteur projects. Gosling's probably got one of the best careers working right now. He's certainly doing better than a lot of the guys in his generation, regardless of one's feeling on the talent. Yeah.... I don't agree with the part that his Half Nelson nomination was the least discussed. You can argue that he was the most discussed. On IMDB, movies like Pursuit of Happyness is not talked about much, it's a feel good movie with Will Smith at the helm, not as talked about on Movie Awards as it would be in real life. Will's 2001 nomination for Ali is probably the least talked about of his field as well. O'Toole.... was not one of his memorable performances so I think yes, Ryan was talked about more than O'Toole. Whitaker you can argue, as I think his steam was much hotter in '06 than it is now. And DiCaprio while you can argue as well, most people thought he should've been nominated for The Departed. Half Nelson is not as small a film as you're thinking. It's like Winter's Bone. It's not the first thing that comes to mind for J-Law fans outside of MA, but on Movie Awards it's talked about or mentioned bi-daily. And yea, I can see what youre saying with the Phoenix thing. I think Gosling is more like Bale, or possibly Damon. Though Gosling maybe not the blockbuster guy Matt or Christian is. Guys who are liked, but usually not elevated to a really high status. But yeah, I can see how Gosling isn't the equivalent to Phoenix. That slump from 2011-2015 is exactly what I'm talking about. I guess my mind is still used to 2011-2015, and maybe I've been asleep at the wheel since IMDB came down, but yes..... with La La Land, First Man, and Blade Runner...... his career does look better now, but I don't know about you but I don't even remember Gosling in La La Land. Emma Stone took him over to where he's in the recesses of my mind.
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Post by stephen on Jul 21, 2021 22:07:34 GMT
Yeah.... I don't agree with the part that his Half Nelson nomination was the least discussed. You can argue that he was the most discussed. On IMDB, movies like Pursuit of Happyness is not talked about much, it's a feel good movie with Will Smith at the helm, not as talked about on Movie Awards as it would be in real life. Will's 2001 nomination for Ali is probably the least talked about of his field as well. O'Toole.... was not one of his memorable performances so I think yes, Ryan was talked about more than O'Toole. Whitaker you can argue, as I think his steam was much hotter in '06 than it is now. And DiCaprio while you can argue as well, most people thought he should've been nominated for The Departed. Half Nelson is not as small a film as you're thinking. It's like Winter's Bone. It's not the first thing that comes to mind for J-Law fans outside of MA, but on Movie Awards it's talked about or mentioned bi-daily. And yea, I can see what youre saying with the Phoenix thing. I think Gosling is more like Bale, or possibly Damon. Though Gosling maybe not the blockbuster guy Matt or Christian is. Guys who are liked, but usually not elevated to a really high status. But yeah, I can see how Gosling isn't the equivalent to Phoenix. That slump from 2011-2015 is exactly what I'm talking about. I guess my mind is still used to 2011-2015, and maybe I've been asleep at the wheel since IMDB came down, but yes..... with La La Land, First Man, and Blade Runner...... his career does look better now, but I don't know about you but I don't even remember Gosling in La La Land. Emma Stone took him over to where he's in the recesses of my mind. In 2006, Half Nelson was absolutely the least discussed of the five and that's not even up for debate. This was at the height of people loving Will Smith's new career shift to more dramatic roles and his performance in The Pursuit of Happyness was very popular on the board of old. Before we got exhausted with Jaden and the Smith family movie-making machine as a whole, it was quite a well-liked (if admittedly schmaltzy) movie in those days. Smith was very well-liked. Whitaker, well, he was the favorite that year and everyone knew it (even if you had a few people who docked him to supporting and who vocally expressed their preference for McAvoy). DiCaprio, most agreed that he got in for the wrong film, but even Blood Diamond had some heat to it. And then there was Venus, which had a surprisingly strong contingent of defenders and obviously people thought if Whitaker was going to lose, O'Toole would be the one to take him down. And a fair few people were fans of the film (Jodie Whittaker was in a lot of people's lineups; not sure if that would hold true today). But Half Nelson was much more muted in comparison. Gosling became someone who had their awards breakout, but Lars is what really made him as that indie actor everyone wanted to watch. Also can't agree that Half Nelson is comparable in any way to Winter's Bone, because Winter's Bone enjoys a much larger place in the general cinematic pantheon. Not only was it the breakthrough performance of one of the biggest movie stars of the decade, but it was the ur-example for the "destitution of America's ignored" films we got throughout the 2010s. People recognize it as an influence, certainly more than Half Nelson (when was the last time anyone talked about that movie at all?). You keep lumping 2011 in with the slump, but it's not connected at all. It's like saying that 2020 should be considered the first full year of the Biden administration. 2011 was a net positive year for Gosling: he won acclaim across the board. Hell, his own Wikipedia page enumerates his career similarly. "2010-2012: Widespread Recognition" and "2013-14: Mixed reviews and directorial debut." 2011 is in no way a negative for Gosling unless you happened to not like any of the movies he made, but that certainly didn't affect his career negatively. 2013, you could argue, was a bad year for him with Gangster Squad and Only God Forgives, but he still had acclaim that year with The Place Beyond the Pines. And he didn't even make a movie released in 2014, spending that year shooting Lost River. And even if you want to argue that as a failure, he still nets a positive for appearing in a Best Picture nominee to acclaim in The Big Short. The thing is, even Gosling's weaker years still bear fruit, and 2011 is damn sure not the start of a slump.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Jul 21, 2021 22:21:27 GMT
Yeah.... I don't agree with the part that his Half Nelson nomination was the least discussed. You can argue that he was the most discussed. On IMDB, movies like Pursuit of Happyness is not talked about much, it's a feel good movie with Will Smith at the helm, not as talked about on Movie Awards as it would be in real life. Will's 2001 nomination for Ali is probably the least talked about of his field as well. O'Toole.... was not one of his memorable performances so I think yes, Ryan was talked about more than O'Toole. Whitaker you can argue, as I think his steam was much hotter in '06 than it is now. And DiCaprio while you can argue as well, most people thought he should've been nominated for The Departed. Half Nelson is not as small a film as you're thinking. It's like Winter's Bone. It's not the first thing that comes to mind for J-Law fans outside of MA, but on Movie Awards it's talked about or mentioned bi-daily. And yea, I can see what youre saying with the Phoenix thing. I think Gosling is more like Bale, or possibly Damon. Though Gosling maybe not the blockbuster guy Matt or Christian is. Guys who are liked, but usually not elevated to a really high status. But yeah, I can see how Gosling isn't the equivalent to Phoenix. That slump from 2011-2015 is exactly what I'm talking about. I guess my mind is still used to 2011-2015, and maybe I've been asleep at the wheel since IMDB came down, but yes..... with La La Land, First Man, and Blade Runner...... his career does look better now, but I don't know about you but I don't even remember Gosling in La La Land. Emma Stone took him over to where he's in the recesses of my mind. In 2006, Half Nelson was absolutely the least discussed of the five and that's not even up for debate. This was at the height of people loving Will Smith's new career shift to more dramatic roles and his performance in The Pursuit of Happyness was very popular on the board of old. Before we got exhausted with Jaden and the Smith family movie-making machine as a whole, it was quite a well-liked (if admittedly schmaltzy) movie in those days. Smith was very well-liked. Whitaker, well, he was the favorite that year and everyone knew it (even if you had a few people who docked him to supporting and who vocally expressed their preference for McAvoy). DiCaprio, most agreed that he got in for the wrong film, but even Blood Diamond had some heat to it. And then there was Venus, which had a surprisingly strong contingent of defenders and obviously people thought if Whitaker was going to lose, O'Toole would be the one to take him down. And a fair few people were fans of the film (Jodie Whittaker was in a lot of people's lineups; not sure if that would hold true today). But Half Nelson was much more muted in comparison. Gosling became someone who had their awards breakout, but Lars is what really made him as that indie actor everyone wanted to watch. Also can't agree that Half Nelson is comparable in any way to Winter's Bone, because Winter's Bone enjoys a much larger place in the general cinematic pantheon. Not only was it the breakthrough performance of one of the biggest movie stars of the decade, but it was the ur-example for the "destitution of America's ignored" films we got throughout the 2010s. People recognize it as an influence, certainly more than Half Nelson (when was the last time anyone talked about that movie at all?). You keep lumping 2011 in with the slump, but it's not connected at all. It's like saying that 2020 should be considered the first full year of the Biden administration. 2011 was a net positive year for Gosling: he won acclaim across the board. Hell, his own Wikipedia page enumerates his career similarly. "2010-2012: Widespread Recognition" and "2013-14: Mixed reviews and directorial debut." 2011 is in no way a negative for Gosling unless you happened to not like any of the movies he made, but that certainly didn't affect his career negatively. 2013, you could argue, was a bad year for him with Gangster Squad and Only God Forgives, but he still had acclaim that year with The Place Beyond the Pines. And he didn't even make a movie released in 2014, spending that year shooting Lost River. And even if you want to argue that as a failure, he still nets a positive for appearing in a Best Picture nominee to acclaim in The Big Short. The thing is, even Gosling's weaker years still bear fruit, and 2011 is damn sure not the start of a slump. Well.... you said 2011 was when the slump began. Ok... a slump in comparison, but yes I guess that's what I meant. I simply used your text. And no, I have a different memory than you about 2006, and that was my biggest year following films. I saw well over 100 movies that year, and I followed the race closely. I wouldn't forget. I think Ryan was definitely talked about everyday. Even if you argue he was behind Whitaker and DiCaprio, which that's a debate... he was definitely ahead of Smith and O'Toole in how much he was talked about. And while I agree O'Toole was considered the biggest threat to Whittaker, I simply think most people didn't think of that as a top O'Toole performance, so therefore the "better" performance (Gosling) got more love, and more people saying "Gosling should've won." Now starting in 2011 when Gosling splashed on with Drive, Half Nelson started to be relegated to a quieter corner, but not in 2006 or 2007. Well I think Winter's Bone and Half Nelson are equal in talked about-ness when they were released. Later on? I don't know. But again, I think Gosling was certainly huge in 2006 on a board like Movie Awards where a movie that gets a slew of smaller awards attention like Half Nelson is the theme.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jul 21, 2021 22:57:04 GMT
Is this seriously a debate about how much a specific performance/movie was discussed on an IMDB message board 15 years ago?
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Post by urbanpatrician on Jul 21, 2021 22:59:11 GMT
Is this seriously a debate about how much a specific performance/movie was discussed on an IMDB message board 15 years ago? He started it..... lol. I guess people here will talk about anything, tho. They're just that nerdy on a movie board.
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Post by stephen on Jul 21, 2021 23:01:04 GMT
Is this seriously a debate about how much a specific performance/movie was discussed on an IMDB message board 15 years ago? Yes. And I regret nothing.
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Post by futuretrunks on Jul 21, 2021 23:45:11 GMT
I'd say Tom Hanks after Charlie Wilson's War. I think he's every bit as good an actor as he was in his iconic 90s run, but his career has felt lacking in vitality in this late 2000s to 2021 period, in part because he re-collaborates with directors to diminishing returns; I actually think Hanks is very good in Bridge of Spies (better than Rylance's absurdly overrated performance) and good in The Post (which is a much better movie than Bridge of Spies), but those films aren't Saving Private Ryan, nor are some Dan Brown adaptations Apollo 13. Fuck it, I think the Toy Story franchise easily peaked with the first one, despite the acclaim for the sequels.
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Post by wonky on Jul 22, 2021 0:41:33 GMT
There is no way DeNiro’s decline started prior to the year 2000. I think 2000 is the true end of DeNiro being taken seriously as a rule. I think there's something to the idea that Analyze This and Meet the Parents benefit from a general feeling that he was still considered a very legitimate actor lending his gravitas and that's part of the joke of those movies and their marketing campaigns, while Rocky & Bullwinkle and the following Analyze/Focker sequels are the transition to second-hand embarrassment. You could argue the writing was on the wall before that but Rocky & Bullwinkle feels like a very easy Exhibit A in terms of a real tangible hit to his public reputation.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Jul 22, 2021 0:50:12 GMT
Cameron Crowe fascinates me. Started off hot as a writer with Fast Times at Ridgemont High and as a director steadily leveled up until his Original Screenplay win for Almost Famous (which might've gotten that 5th slot if Weinstein and Miramax weren't strong enough to get Chocolat in before buyer's remorse settled). Vanilla Sky comes fresh off that, still a box office hit and despite how divisive it is plays as a respectable failure. Then Elizabethtown happens...
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Post by stephen on Jul 22, 2021 1:18:34 GMT
Cameron Crowe fascinates me. Started off hot as a writer with Fast Times at Ridgemont High and as a director steadily leveled up until his Original Screenplay win for Almost Famous (which might've gotten that 5th slot if Weinstein and Miramax weren't strong enough to get Chocolat in before buyer's remorse settled). Vanilla Sky comes fresh off that, still a box office hit and despite how divisive it is plays as a respectable failure. Then Elizabethtown happens... You know the old saying: you either die a hero, or you live long enough to work with Orlando Bloom.
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Post by Film Socialism on Jul 22, 2021 1:52:22 GMT
i tend to believe that (good) directors mature and get better well into old age, but from personal and secondhand experience i'm pretty sure there's not a soul alive who sincerely thinks that's true about jess franco
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Post by stabcaesar on Jul 22, 2021 2:51:03 GMT
Drive is a piece of trash but to say Ryan Gosling is on "decline" is obviously hater being hater.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Jul 22, 2021 2:55:34 GMT
Drive is a piece of trash but to say Ryan Gosling is on "decline" is obviously hater being hater. Let's move on from this Ryan Gosling debate. I'm sick of talking about it. I included him in my original post only because I saw him on TV at the same time I was typing it out and was half asleep. I really don't care about the dude at all. And surely not enough to keep discussing him. Please move on. Please. No need to drag this out any longer.
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Post by jakesully on Jul 22, 2021 3:37:01 GMT
Drive is a piece of trash
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Post by flasuss on Jul 22, 2021 3:37:58 GMT
I can't believe no one mentioned yet the granddaddy of them all: Coppola after Apocalypse Now, which clearly burned him out. Not that he didn't made good movies after that, but he clearly was never the same again.
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Post by Film Socialism on Jul 22, 2021 4:05:09 GMT
I can't believe no one mentioned yet the granddaddy of them all: Coppola after Apocalypse Now, which clearly burned him out. Not that he didn't made good movies after that, but he clearly was never the same again. nah this is a silly take. it's perpetuated by a lot of people but coppola's post AN career has more highlights than his pre AN career if you watch through it
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Post by SZilla on Jul 22, 2021 4:51:10 GMT
I think you can claim that Arnold Schwarzenegger started to slowly decline between 1996-1999 or so. He had solidified his mega star status by that point, but his peak went from Conan in '82 to around Eraser in '96. If we're being lenient, maybe you can say that his real peak ended in 1999 with End of Days. But his action star status seemed to diminish after this, and that's partly due to age and his gearing up to run for governor.
In 2000 he had the 6th Day, which was no classic, then 2002 had Collateral Damage, which had been delayed due to 9/11, and finally in 2003 he had the very disappointing Terminator 3, but I'd say that these films weren't just poor, but that they, and he in particular, felt different. They didn't feel like classic Arnie movies and Arnold himself just started to look and feel old and out of it. I think this is especially evident with T3. With his governorship starting in November 2003, he pretty much just did cameos until 2012 and by the time he returned, he was way past his prime.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Jul 22, 2021 4:55:28 GMT
I think you can claim that Arnold Schwarzenegger started to slowly decline between 1996-1999 or so. He had solidified his mega star status by that point, but his peak went from Conan in '82 to around Eraser in '96. If we're being lenient, maybe you can say that his real peak ended in 1999 with End of Days. But his action star status seemed to diminish after this, and that's partly due to age and his gearing up to run for governor. In 2000 he had the 6th Day, which was no classic, then 2002 had Collateral Damage, which had been delayed due to 9/11, and finally in 2003 he had the very disappointing Terminator 3, but I'd say that these films weren't just poor, but that they, and he in particular, felt different. Arnold just started to look and feel old and out of it. I think this is especially evident with T3. His governorship started around this time too, so he pretty much just did cameos until 2012 and by the time he returned, he was way past his prime. This is a good take, yeh. Arnold, Cage, and Harrison were the 3 guys that my TV showed the most in the late 90s growing up and even the last movie I remember enjoying from him was the 6th day. I personally liked T3, but I realize that movie didn't add much to his legacy. After T-3, it just got brutal but I also realized I wasn't a kid anymore and he wasn't my favorite actor of all time like he used to be.
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Post by franklin on Jul 22, 2021 12:00:22 GMT
Since you are mentioning iconic action movie stars: Sylvester Stallone after Copland (1997) [51 years old]. Despite being a good underrated movie, that role did him no favor, he even said in an interview that film was bad for his career and he struggled getting roles after that.
Thus it began his decline in popularity in the early 2000s, but he rebounded back to prominence a bit with the revival of the Rocky and Rambo franchises, respectively the sixth installment in 2006 and the fourth one in 2008.
But what truly put him back on track (back to the ancient glories, so to speak) for a certain period of time was The Expendables franchise (2010-2014), which was hugely popular.
Now I think he's washed up.
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