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Post by urbanpatrician on Jul 20, 2021 1:40:31 GMT
I feel like Brady is the default choice these days and that's fair but the team that Belichick built was enduring and allowed him more stabs at Super Bowls.
Still not to take away from his accomplishments but I think Dan Marino is the best passer of all time but the Miami dynasty was fading after his first 3 years in the league. Favre can throw the ball but his Achilles were late second interceptions. He'd probably be next on my favorites list considering he never got an all time great coach and there were lots of changes to his team during various periods of his career but he remained dominant.
Loved Elway and what he did with a franchise known for failure. By the time Shanahan came around, Broncos offense were a machine. Loved Peyton and Montana and theyre goats for sure.
And I personally don't feel like Brees and Rodgers even belongs here but we'll see if Rodgers has anything more to add to his legacy.
And before people say "youre missing Aikman." Im a Cowboys fan and i don't think hes a goat.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Jul 20, 2021 1:59:44 GMT
I've said before that I think the position has changed so much so quickly that I don't feel comfortable saying someone is the absolute greatest - that's not even getting into how reliant the position inherently is on the talent of those around them. I do want to give a shoutout to Johnny Unitas since A) he's the first modern quarterback and maybe the biggest leap forward for the position (though Sammy Baugh also has a claim there), B) he was the consensus GOAT until the mid-'90s when almost all the guys you listed had staked their claim, and C) I'm from Baltimore.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 20, 2021 2:11:22 GMT
I think Manning would have won on any team where Brady would not .......so Manning is my default pick though the position is synonymous with leadership so I'm fine with Brady getting all the plaudits
My favorite was Elway - he was great fun to watch.........
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Post by countjohn on Jul 20, 2021 4:18:09 GMT
I was the biggest Peyton fan in the world growing up but at this point it has to be Brady. 7 rings and likely to retire as the all time yardage and TD pass leader. It just seems absurd to say anyone else. Peyton, Favre, and Marino might have had higher peaks, but in terms of accomplishments over an entire career it's Brady. He's in is mid 40's and still an elite QB, might still be the 2nd best in the league behind Mahomes as of right now.
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Post by futuretrunks on Aug 13, 2021 0:16:35 GMT
Brady. He maintained his concentration. That's part of it, in all sports.
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Post by Brother Fease on Sept 24, 2021 15:02:35 GMT
I voted for Tom Brady. Keep in mind, I am a lifelong Buffalo Bills fan since age 8. The Jets, Dolphins, and especially the Patriots, have been my "least favorite teams".
Brady deserves to be #1 for the following reasons:
1. 8 MVP trophies. 5 Super Bowl MVPs. 3 League.
2. He's been to 10 Super Bowls. Won 7 of them.
3. Brady has consistently put up great stats, despite playing in cold weather and not always having top notch receivers.
Just out of curiosity, why didn't Otto Graham make the polling options? You guys included Drew Brees and Dan Marino, but no Graham.
Lets remember that Graham has the highest winning percentage for an NFL quarterback and led the Browns to 10 straight championship appearances.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Sept 24, 2021 15:59:43 GMT
I’m not sure how you can make a case against Brady at this point tbh.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 16, 2023 7:18:55 GMT
I wonder if right now Mahomes might be as high as 3rd on this poll ........just sayin'
In sport in 2023 you have "best" arguments in some way for Mahomes, McDavid (NHL), Jokic (NBA - Best Big Man), Djokovic (tennis).....what a time to be alive.....
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Post by urbanpatrician on Jun 16, 2023 7:38:57 GMT
B) he was the consensus GOAT until the mid-'90s when almost all the guys you listed had staked their claim, and C) I'm from Baltimore. We can seriously argue if he was the consensus GOAT. Montana dominated the goat discussion for 15 years from '84-'99 until Elway claimed his 2nd Super Bowl. Still probably most people thought Montana was more legendary, but Elway was the feel good story. Before Montana..... absolutely Unitas was clear #1. That 70s generation of Staubach, Bradshaw, and Stabler were coming for him - but they came short of Unitas when it was all said and done. Staubach possibly due to his early retirement. Stabler's glory situated within primarily 5 years.... after his Super Bowl he slowly started his decline. And Bradshaw, because I think some people questioned his abilities - and most thought the Steel Curtain was responsible for that dynasty - and he might not have won even 1 Super Bowl in a historically middling franchise. I did forget Unitas.... my bad. he should've probably replaced Rodgers, Brees, or Staubach on my list. And we can start putting Mahomes in place of at least Rodgers or Staubach. Because Rodgers doesn't win in the playoffs it's been recently proven. |
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Post by Brother Fease on Aug 17, 2023 2:30:17 GMT
B) he was the consensus GOAT until the mid-'90s when almost all the guys you listed had staked their claim, and C) I'm from Baltimore. We can seriously argue if he was the consensus GOAT. Montana dominated the goat discussion for 15 years from '84-'99 until Elway claimed his 2nd Super Bowl. Still probably most people thought Montana was more legendary, but Elway was the feel good story. Before Montana..... absolutely Unitas was clear #1. That 70s generation of Staubach, Bradshaw, and Stabler were coming for him - but they came short of Unitas when it was all said and done. Staubach possibly due to his early retirement. Stabler's glory situated within primarily 5 years.... after his Super Bowl he slowly started his decline. And Bradshaw, because I think some people questioned his abilities - and most thought the Steel Curtain was responsible for that dynasty - and he might not have won even 1 Super Bowl in a historically middling franchise. I did forget Unitas.... my bad. he should've probably replaced Rodgers, Brees, or Staubach on my list. And we can start putting Mahomes in place of at least Rodgers or Staubach. Because Rodgers doesn't win in the playoffs it's been recently proven. Why no Otto Graham? |
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 12, 2024 9:01:11 GMT
I wonder if right now Mahomes might be as high as 3rd on this poll ........just sayin' In sport in 2023 you have "best" arguments in some way for Mahomes, McDavid (NHL), Jokic (NBA - Best Big Man), Djokovic (tennis).....what a time to be alive..... , ibbi - Please revisit this thread and update it with your thoughts.......your feelings......hopes.....dreams ......and fears........  |
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Post by urbanpatrician on Feb 12, 2024 10:22:24 GMT
I wonder if right now Mahomes might be as high as 3rd on this poll ........just sayin' In sport in 2023 you have "best" arguments in some way for Mahomes, McDavid (NHL), Jokic (NBA - Best Big Man), Djokovic (tennis).....what a time to be alive..... , ibbi - Please revisit this thread and update it with your thoughts.......your feelings......hopes.....dreams ......and fears........ Yeah... this thread poll is seriously outdated. Unfortunately I can't change the poll answers. But for me... 1. Brady 2. Montana 3. Manning (one less Super Bowl than Mahomes, but he's statistically unmatched - by even Mahomes) 4. Mahomes 5. Marino 6. Elway 7. Favre 8. Unitas 9. Staubach 10. Young |
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 12, 2024 14:38:38 GMT
3 time MVP Aaron Rodgers not in the top 11.......^ 0 poll votes..........savage MAR......savage   |
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Feb 12, 2024 14:56:42 GMT
3 time MVP Aaron Rodgers not in the top 11.......^ 0 poll votes..........savage MAR......savage A 4-time MVP! He's a playoff underperformer (though some of that is down to shit playoff defenses and McCarthy), but his résumé is substantially better than guys like Brees, Elway, and Staubach and he did a good bit of it in the same era as Brady and Manning. Mahomes has already leapfrogged him, but Rodgers is definitely in the mix. |
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Post by Joaquim on Feb 12, 2024 19:38:08 GMT
It’s still Brady for me but if Mahomes can win his 3rd straight next season the case for him becomes much stronger, but Brady going 2-0 head to head in the playoffs will always hang over him until he eclipses the number of rings Brady won. That’s why the 3-peat is so important. If Mahomes can end his career with 5 rings to Brady’s 7, the 3-peat may be enough to overcome Brady’s extra 2 wins
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Post by ibbi on Feb 12, 2024 19:45:10 GMT
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Feb 12, 2024 19:50:17 GMT
ibbi - Do you cosplay as an American?
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 12, 2024 20:00:48 GMT
ibbi - Do you cosplay as an American? If he cosplayed as an American he would have a POV on Caitlin Clark the Limey bastard!  |
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Post by ibbi on Feb 12, 2024 21:45:57 GMT
ibbi - Do you cosplay as an American? Sometimes  |
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Post by urbanpatrician on Feb 14, 2024 19:05:25 GMT
3 time MVP Aaron Rodgers not in the top 11.......^ 0 poll votes..........savage MAR......savage A 4-time MVP! He's a playoff underperformer (though some of that is down to shit playoff defenses and McCarthy), but his résumé is substantially better than guys like Brees, Elway, and Staubach and he did a good bit of it in the same era as Brady and Manning. Mahomes has already leapfrogged him, but Rodgers is definitely in the mix. How is Rodgers more accomplished than Brees when Brees has him beat by 20,000 yards and them being around about the same amount of time give or take some years? Lol at comparing stats of guys from 70s and 90s to guys from the 10s. Elway and Staubach made 9 Super bowls combined while Rodgers only 1. Blaming McCarthy for 10 points against SF while their defense gives up only 6 (and 1 special teams blunder)....oh I forgot McCarthy wasnt even in GB in that game. *edit Bradshaw is seriously underrated. He wasnt an elite QB during his early years but by the time he won his last 2 Super Bowls (78 and 79) he developed into elite. The defense was even more elite tho |
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Feb 14, 2024 19:35:46 GMT
A 4-time MVP! He's a playoff underperformer (though some of that is down to shit playoff defenses and McCarthy), but his résumé is substantially better than guys like Brees, Elway, and Staubach and he did a good bit of it in the same era as Brady and Manning. Mahomes has already leapfrogged him, but Rodgers is definitely in the mix. How is Rodgers more accomplished than Brees when Brees has him beat by 20,000 yards and them being around about the same amount of time give or take some years? Lol at comparing stats of guys from 70s and 90s to guys from the 10s. Elway and Staubach made 9 Super bowls combined while Rodgers only 1. Blaming McCarthy for 10 points against SF while their defense gives up only 6 (and 1 special teams blunder)....oh I forgot McCarthy wasnt even in GB in that game. *edit Bradshaw is seriously underrated. He wasnt an elite QB during his early years but by the time he won his last 2 Super Bowls (78 and 79) he developed into elite. The defense was even more elite tho Rodgers is more accomplished than Brees because he has 4 more MVPs, 3 more 1st team All-Pros, a 2010s All-Decade team selection, and they are equals with the solo ring and SB MVP. Brees has more counting stats (he played 60 more games but also still has Rodgers beat in yards per game) but that's about it. At no point in their respective peaks did Brees separate himself from Rodgers. Rodgers has played 21 playoff games. In those games, his defenses have given up an average of almost 33.5 ppg in losses (Packers averaged 23.5 ppg). And as a Cowboys fan, you should be getting yourself familiar with McCarthy underperforming with talented rosters and he was there for the first decade of Rodgers' postseason career. The final playoff loss against the 49ers is the only time I would say the Packers offense was more at fault than the defense, with Rodgers missing open opportunities while trying to force feed the ball to Adams. |
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 14, 2024 19:38:29 GMT
Dan Marino got a vote but Jim Kelly can't even win that best quarterback to never win a Super Bowl thing......the Buffalo erasure is fncking obscene you frontrunners......... but let's keep this in mind at least  |
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Post by ibbi on Feb 14, 2024 19:44:19 GMT
*edit Bradshaw is seriously underrated. He wasnt an elite QB during his early years but by the time he won his last 2 Super Bowls (78 and 79) he developed into elite. The defense was even more elite tho I don't think he developed into elite so much as his boy Mel Blount got the rules changed and the golden age of the QB began. It happened with Dan Fouts too, Archie Manning, Stabler, even Staubach and Tarkenton at the end of their careers all saw clear and obvious bumps in stats/started throwing it a LOT more starting precisely in 1978. That his D bounced straight back and won 2 more titles anyway is why they are who they are.  Something similar happened in 2004 as the clown age of the QB began. |
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Post by ibbi on Feb 14, 2024 19:46:10 GMT
Dan Marino got a vote but Jim Kelly can't even win that best quarterback to never win a Super Bowl thing......the Buffalo erasure is fncking obscene you frontrunners......... but let's keep this in mind at least Also the last notable QB to call his own plays. :max_bytes(150000):strip_icc()/78022427-56a9b11b5f9b58b7d0fe1a8c.jpg) |
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Post by urbanpatrician on Feb 16, 2024 9:53:47 GMT
pacinoyes Marino is a statistical beast like we've never seen before. He's in the same category as Manning and Fouts. So statistically ahead of their time and so above the rest of the pack.... it's hard to deny them Top 10 status. I think Fouts is actually Top 10 and should go above Young or Staubach. Now I'm keep forgetting guys. Kelly is definitely an all-time great QB tho. Damn missed field goal against the Giants. That should've been his Super Bowl. Can't ask for any better against Lawrence Taylor, Bill Parcels and a legendary defense. Unfortunately, after the Super Bowl which he should've won.... he couldn't overcome the great systems of Dallas and Washington. Those are franchises that epitomizes the ideal NFL system. Once Elway got his system, dude did probably the least of his career but coasted to 2 Super Bowls. ibbi - True, but Bradshaw got REALLY good starting from 1978. The likes of which we've not seen at that time. But then to your point.... so did Fouts.... so maybe rule changes were the reason. But Ken Anderson and Roger Staubach stayed roughly about the same to me, pre and post rule changes. I don't know.... I think Bradshaw did win Super Bowl '78 off his back... the '78 Super Bowl is a legendary shootout between Staubach and Bradshaw and gave them the moniker of America's QBs of the 70s.
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