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Post by franklin on Jun 29, 2021 12:35:04 GMT
His MCU run (2008-2019) is obviously over with Endgame. His next film after that was Dolittle, which was a colossal flop. It's been passed nearly a year and he hasn't anything lined up next (Sherlock Holmes 3 feels more like a pipe dream that will never happen).
So now that he won't play Iron Man anymore and after the Dolittle disaster, is he completely and definitely done as a movie star or he still has other chances???
Thoughts??
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Post by MsMovieStar on Jun 29, 2021 12:46:11 GMT
Oh honey, he also that did colossal flop with Nicole Kidman (Fur 2006) - that can't have helped his career.
If you're putting the nails into his coffin, it's worth a mention...
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 29, 2021 12:54:28 GMT
I think he should be cancelled tbh. He appeared in "black face" which someone I know and saw on Twitter said their friends cousin's sister was offended by it and which probably helped further institutional RACISM like that nice Prince Harry heroically called out the vicious monarchy about - if only 5 or 6 people would die he could be king you know.........um........then you all will see the changes he'd make........ Anyway Downey should pay reparations for that....... Also, I don't think it matters - dude was in JAIL and became the biggest movie star in the world......no one else can say that - one day he was being called "Roberta" by his cell mate, the next day he was hanging with the GOAT. I think he'll ride it out and have a nice but unspectacular last stage.........his Chaplin is the single most overrated performance on this board period...........and Ed Norton and Russell Crowe are often mentioned for performances on this board, ok? It's f'n serious......
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Post by MsMovieStar on Jun 29, 2021 13:22:23 GMT
Oh honey, I'm not giving him a free pass or anything (because he slept with Nicole in Fur) but he did give us the gif below, which I've used quite a few times now. I think he's cemented his reputation and his position is secured (unless of course, he does another flop of course with Nicole...)
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Post by TerryMontana on Jun 29, 2021 14:14:01 GMT
Nope. After all, he can always return as Iron Man (very likely) and retain his previous status.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jun 29, 2021 14:47:26 GMT
He’ll still have plenty of more chances.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jun 29, 2021 15:03:20 GMT
LOL!
Of course not. Unless he relapses back into drug and alcohol binges (and even maybe then) or gets hit by a #MeToo scandal, the guy will be a major star till he's dead. If none of his other projects work out, he'll be back making 50 million dollar checks making appearances as Tony Stark/Iron Man in the MCU for the rest of his career. And you best believe they will easily find a way to ressurrect his character from the dead (cloning, AI, Multiverse, whatever). Then flops like Doolittle will be forgotten about, and he'll be given new non-Marvel franchise opportunities.
The dude has the Ultimate Plan B. He'll be fine.
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Post by stephen on Jun 29, 2021 15:07:15 GMT
No one gives a shit about Dolittle nowadays. It was a massive flop but it seems most of the stink from it is clinging to Stephen Gaghan, and indeed most of the production problems stem from him. Downey, Jr. didn't come out smelling like roses, but he wouldn't be the first A-lister to have a bomb attached to his career and still stay on top.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jun 29, 2021 15:19:07 GMT
No one gives a shit about Dolittle nowadays. It was a massive flop but it seems most of the stink from it is clinging to Stephen Gaghan, and indeed most of the production problems stem from him. Downey, Jr. didn't come out smelling like roses, but he wouldn't be the first A-lister to have a bomb attached to his career and still stay on top. Well, I wouldn't quite agree with this. Downey Jr was not only the star, the movie was from his production company. It was his baby, and I'd say most of the stink of Doolittle's failure clung to him. Gaghan is collateral damage and easier to cancel, because he's nowhere as big a name. But Downey has just got so much industry goodwill for helping make Marvel the juggernaut that it is (and he also has the ability to come back as Iron Man with a simple call to Kevin Fiege) that such a colossal failure won't be as fatal to him as it might be to another star.
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Post by stephen on Jun 29, 2021 15:26:21 GMT
No one gives a shit about Dolittle nowadays. It was a massive flop but it seems most of the stink from it is clinging to Stephen Gaghan, and indeed most of the production problems stem from him. Downey, Jr. didn't come out smelling like roses, but he wouldn't be the first A-lister to have a bomb attached to his career and still stay on top. Well, I wouldn't quite agree with this. Downey Jr was not only the star, the movie was from his production company. It was his baby, and I'd say most of the stink of Doolittle's failure clung to him. Gaghan is collateral damage and easier to cancel, because he's nowhere as big a name. But Downey has just got so much industry goodwill for helping make Marvel the juggernaut that it is (and he also has the ability to come back as Iron Man with a simple call to Kevin Fiege) that such a colossal failure won't be as fatal to him as it might be to another star. That's fair, as it was obviously something of a passion project and Downey's producing ventures haven't exactly borne a whole lot of fruit (remember The Judge was supposed to be Downey's big awards breakthrough post-MCU success, and we saw how that went). But I just feel like Dolittle hasn't really stuck to him the way other flops sometimes can (i.e. Travolta and Battlefield Earth). Maybe part of it is the pandemic, maybe part of it is that we're in a different era now where movie stars aren't as reliably bankable nowadays and it's all about the IP, maybe part of it is that the film itself is so unmemorable in its badness that it just doesn't have staying power in the cultural mind aside from the name. But we're in agreement that this hasn't ruined Downey's standing.
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Post by quetee on Jun 29, 2021 16:11:22 GMT
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Post by franklin on Jun 29, 2021 16:57:28 GMT
Yeah, as I said, we'll see if he's still a box-office draw with Sherlock Holmes 3, but will it ever happen?? I saw it listed on IMBD with a director attached, Dexter Fletcher (great director, I really liked Rocketman and he helped finishing Bohemian Rhapsody), but there's no hint at any shooting start date or even beginning of production.
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Post by Good God on Jun 29, 2021 17:03:59 GMT
I will say he has about 5 years until he establishes himself as a non-franchise star. Once that is done, if he hasn't proved that he can lead non-franchise movies to box-office success (which he has never been able to do outside of Due Date), I think he will forever remain a franchise movie star and a non-franchise popular guy.
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Post by stephen on Jun 29, 2021 17:09:37 GMT
I will say he has about 5 years until he establishes himself as a non-franchise star. Once that is done, if he hasn't proved that he can lead non-franchise movies to box-office success (which he has never been able to do outside of Due Date), I think he will forever remain a franchise movie star and a non-franchise popular guy. It's gonna be tough to pull off for a man approaching sixty.
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Post by countjohn on Jun 29, 2021 17:32:48 GMT
Well he had a lot riding on Doolittle and falling on his face like that was the worst way to start post-MCU. Might have been better to try and pivot to awards stuff with a drama or at least do something lower stakes like a comedy that cost 40 mil or something so he could get it to a 100 mil gross and call it a success. Not sure he's really a draw anymore if he's not playing Iron Man.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Jun 29, 2021 19:28:11 GMT
He's had a couple close calls with PTA (Inherent Vice and a Pinocchio project that seems to have died off) so I would like to see them eventually figure out a way to work together.
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Post by stephen on Jun 29, 2021 19:32:50 GMT
He's had a couple close calls with PTA ( Inherent Vice and a Pinocchio project that seems to have died off) so I would like to see them eventually figure out a way to work together. No one loves PTA more than me, but working with him wouldn't really be a likely sign that his movie stardom persisted. It would be a notch in his auteur belt for sure, though, and I'd love to see him do it.
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Post by futuretrunks on Jun 29, 2021 21:21:31 GMT
He was the lead in two franchises, but has he ever been the lead of a hit non-MCU/non-Sherlock movie? We're talking about a guy who's been in the industry since the early 80s. At this point, I think it's likely Downey Jr. just has really questionable taste in projects.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Jun 29, 2021 23:59:13 GMT
I really don't think so. Aside from the MCU and Sherlock Holmes, people forgot but he and his wife are pretty savvy producers. Dolittle may have been a huge disaster, but I'm sure they'll get back with something more crowdpleasing in the future. Hard to write off Downey right now anyway.
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Post by jakesully on Jun 30, 2021 12:45:18 GMT
Good discussion here in this thread ( I will be honest here, I'm sorta conflicted ). My favorite Downey role still remains to be David Fincher's Zodiac (which was the start of the Downey Jr come back tour) And I'm on record that Downey Jr has (hands down) the best / most successful comeback in Hollywood (of all time). He was a complete train wreck, junkie/crack head & late night punch line for quite some time. Very glad he turned his life around and has become mega successful ( I read online recently that his net worth is north of $300 million ) Downey & his family are set for life. That being said , I can't say I'm that big of a fan of him overall. He frequently comes across as a smug prick in many interviews over the years. For example, he dissed lower budget / independent films in an interview with Entertainment Weekly Radio (while promoting Avengers: Age of Ultron ). Because they’re exhausting and sometimes they suck and then you just go, ‘What was I thinking?’ But I’m interested in doing all different kinds of movies. Sometimes the little movies are the ones that wind up taking the most out of you because they’re like, ‘Hey, man, we’re just running a couple of days behind. Do you think you can stay through your birthday and then come back on the fourth of July. And, by the way, but, like, the crew—can you pay for the craft services? And, oh, by the way, man, when we go to Sundance, it’s like, can we just sit you in a chair and you can sell this for six days in a row so that we’ll make 180 bucks when it opens in one theater? God, this is so powerful what we’re doing. What do you think of the movie? You saw it last night?'” “I thought it’s mediocre.”
“Yeah, isn’t it the greatest?! Man, everyone’s an artist here.”
“Actually, most of you are kind of inexperienced and lame.” www.indiewire.com/2015/05/what-robert-downey-jr-got-wrong-in-his-172-words-about-independent-film-62478/I won't deny his comeback success of course but damn he seems like such a cocky/arrogant little twerp at times. I don't give a shit if Sherlock Holmes 3 ever gets made tbh.
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Post by stephen on Jun 30, 2021 12:52:51 GMT
David Fincher's Zodiac (which was the start of the Downey Jr come back tour) This is Kiss Kiss Bang Bang erasure and I will not stand for it.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jun 30, 2021 13:04:09 GMT
Good discussion here in this thread ( I will be honest here, I'm sorta conflicted ). My favorite Downey role still remains to be David Fincher's Zodiac (which was the start of the Downey Jr come back tour) And I'm on record that Downey Jr has (hands down) the best / most successful comeback in Hollywood (of all time). He was a complete train wreck, junkie/crack head & late night punch line for quite some time. Very glad he turned his life around and has become mega successful ( I read online recently that his net worth is north of $300 million ) Downey & his family are set for life. That being said , I can't say I'm that big of a fan of him overall. He frequently comes across as a smug prick in many interviews over the years. For example, he dissed lower budget / independent films in an interview with Entertainment Weekly Radio (while promoting Avengers: Age of Ultron ). Because they’re exhausting and sometimes they suck and then you just go, ‘What was I thinking?’ But I’m interested in doing all different kinds of movies. Sometimes the little movies are the ones that wind up taking the most out of you because they’re like, ‘Hey, man, we’re just running a couple of days behind. Do you think you can stay through your birthday and then come back on the fourth of July. And, by the way, but, like, the crew—can you pay for the craft services? And, oh, by the way, man, when we go to Sundance, it’s like, can we just sit you in a chair and you can sell this for six days in a row so that we’ll make 180 bucks when it opens in one theater? God, this is so powerful what we’re doing. What do you think of the movie? You saw it last night?'” “I thought it’s mediocre.”
“Yeah, isn’t it the greatest?! Man, everyone’s an artist here.”
“Actually, most of you are kind of inexperienced and lame.” www.indiewire.com/2015/05/what-robert-downey-jr-got-wrong-in-his-172-words-about-independent-film-62478/I won't deny his comeback success of course but damn he seems like such a cocky/arrogant little twerp at times. I don't give a shit if Sherlock Holmes 3 ever gets made tbh. I don’t think he said anything wrong about working on independent movies tbh and I’d guess many other established actors agree with him. That’s not to say they don’t have their benefit, but end product aside, the experience is comparable to staying at a hostel vs a luxury hotel. And on a side note, it kind of irritates me how some always put independent films on a pedestal above studio films. Not that there aren’t a lot of greatindependent films, but there are quite a lot of crappy ones too.
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Post by rhodoraonline on Jul 1, 2021 2:48:24 GMT
Are we forgetting A Scanner Darkly here? (just watched it for the first time a few days ago to be honest, so super fresh in my mind ). Anyways, watching that I couldn't help but think if he only struck his ego down by a few notches he could well become the mainstay of such quirky supporting roles. He can play so many varied notes in one role, that film showcases that perfectly. I didn't understand in the beginning his casting as it was seemingly for a purely comedic role, but then he starts reporting on Keanu in Keanu's office and boom, yeah of course, you need RDJ to ride this ambivalence!
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Post by Christ_Ian_Bale on Jul 1, 2021 13:16:04 GMT
Yeah, the dude's got enough money to buy a fucking continent. He could make a great third act of his career exclusively out of meaty supporting roles and have a hell of a run. I'm dying to see another Wayne Gale, Jim Barris, or Paul Avery come out of him.
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Post by countjohn on Jul 1, 2021 16:36:42 GMT
For example, he dissed lower budget / independent films in an interview with Entertainment Weekly Radio (while promoting Avengers: Age of Ultron ). Because they’re exhausting and sometimes they suck and then you just go, ‘What was I thinking?’ But I’m interested in doing all different kinds of movies. Sometimes the little movies are the ones that wind up taking the most out of you because they’re like, ‘Hey, man, we’re just running a couple of days behind. Do you think you can stay through your birthday and then come back on the fourth of July. And, by the way, but, like, the crew—can you pay for the craft services? And, oh, by the way, man, when we go to Sundance, it’s like, can we just sit you in a chair and you can sell this for six days in a row so that we’ll make 180 bucks when it opens in one theater? God, this is so powerful what we’re doing. What do you think of the movie? You saw it last night?'” “I thought it’s mediocre.”
“Yeah, isn’t it the greatest?! Man, everyone’s an artist here.”
“Actually, most of you are kind of inexperienced and lame.”He's not really wrong here. When indiewood is bad, it's baaaaaaaaad. Some of the worst movies I've ever seen have been indies. I get the attitude because if he makes a bad MCU movie at least he still made 20 million dollars. If you're doing a movie for scale (or less) you want to have some quality control and make sure it's good so you're not just wasting your time.
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