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Post by Viced on Apr 26, 2021 4:33:30 GMT
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Post by mrimpossible on Apr 26, 2021 4:33:31 GMT
Hopkins won because his performance was undeniable. Boseman would've won in any other year with that narrative and what he won before. Unfortunately he was up against a GOAT level performance that couldn't possibly be ignored when enough people saw it. Simple as that.
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Post by Archie on Apr 26, 2021 4:33:49 GMT
Yoooooo, some of these Twitter replies are straight up unhinged. WTF?
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Post by Miles Morales on Apr 26, 2021 4:43:27 GMT
Yoooooo, some of these Twitter replies are straight up unhinged. WTF? Film Twitter is really the best at talking shit about a film they haven't even seen.
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Post by bob-coppola on Apr 26, 2021 4:44:46 GMT
I feel like there is probably a pushback within the Academy against potential Netflix dominance. They are a huge threat to traditional studios with their endless cash and buying up talent, and many Academy members would recognise that. It feels like quite a few of their prestige projects might have done better with the Academy if a traditional studio released them. A pandemic year especially seemed built for Netflix to be more dominant, so it is telling. I disagree. The issue is that Mank, Trial and Ma Rainey were all movies that had plenty of people that liked them, but very few who loved them. Being on Netflix or not wouldn't have changed much. Actually, I think being on Netflix helped them. Those three movies would've tanked at the BO in a normal year/with a regular distribution, but being on Netflix saved them from being labeled as flops. But on Mank's case, no one but Netflix would've allowed it to be made the way it was anyways, so...
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Apr 26, 2021 4:47:37 GMT
Yoooooo, some of these Twitter replies are straight up unhinged. WTF? Were you expecting anything else?? 🤣 I'm genuinely shocked they didn't BOO when Boseman lost. I predicted here a few months back that they would...you know, in the one in a MILLIONTH chance he'd lose. Maybe that's why Phoenix left so quickly.
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 26, 2021 4:51:38 GMT
I feel like there is probably a pushback within the Academy against potential Netflix dominance. They are a huge threat to traditional studios with their endless cash and buying up talent, and many Academy members would recognise that. It feels like quite a few of their prestige projects might have done better with the Academy if a traditional studio released them. A pandemic year especially seemed built for Netflix to be more dominant, so it is telling. I disagree. The issue is that Mank, Trial and Ma Rainey were all movies that had plenty of people that liked them, but very few who loved them. Being on Netflix or not wouldn't have changed much. The Academy often give above the line Oscars to films people like, but don't neccesarily love. Green Book, Bohemian Rhapsody etc . Does anyone really care much about something like Argo today? Yet that won Best Picture. I do think Mank, Trial and Ma Rainey would all have stood more chance of above the line success with a traditional studio. They are all traditional Oscarbait.
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Post by Archie on Apr 26, 2021 4:55:00 GMT
I honestly think The Father was the runner-up for BP.
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Post by stabcaesar on Apr 26, 2021 4:56:49 GMT
I honestly think The Father was the runner-up for BP. Definitely seems that way. Everyone who's seen it loved it. It's got an incredibly high score on IMDb.
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Post by Miles Morales on Apr 26, 2021 4:56:58 GMT
I disagree. The issue is that Mank, Trial and Ma Rainey were all movies that had plenty of people that liked them, but very few who loved them. Being on Netflix or not wouldn't have changed much. Actually, I think being on Netflix helped them. Those three movies would've tanked at the BO in a normal year/with a regular distribution, but being on Netflix saved them from being labeled as flops. But on Mank's case, no one but Netflix would've allowed it to be made the way it was anyways, so... Mank and Ma Rainey would've been flops but I think Trial of the Chicago 7, with the right marketing, could have seen decent box office success. It's very crowd-pleasing, in the same ballpark as Green Book.
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Post by franklin on Apr 26, 2021 5:04:24 GMT
McDormand is not even considered or regarded at the same level of Streep, Hepburn, Blanchett, Kidman, or even Theron. And yet she won three Oscars.
It's really telling of how weird this season was, and how much she benefited from the pandemic and the BP frontrunner status of Nomadland.
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Post by stabcaesar on Apr 26, 2021 5:05:33 GMT
McDormand is not even considered or regarded at the same level of Streep, Hepburn, Blanchett, Kidman, or even Theron. And yet she won three Oscars. Huh?
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Post by mrimpossible on Apr 26, 2021 5:11:36 GMT
McDormand is not even considered or regarded at the same level of Streep, Hepburn, Blanchett, Kidman, or even Theron. And yet she won three Oscars. It's really telling of how weird this season was, and how much she benefited from the pandemic and the BP frontrunner status of Nomadland.
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Post by TerryMontana on Apr 26, 2021 5:21:16 GMT
Just learned the winners. Very happy for Sir Hopkins, really deserved it!
Didn't see any of the leading actors coming but in my book they both were much better than Boseman and Davis.
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Post by stephen on Apr 26, 2021 5:21:41 GMT
McDormand is not even considered or regarded at the same level of Streep, Hepburn, Blanchett, Kidman, or even Theron. And yet she won three Oscars. Huh? Ignore him.
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 26, 2021 5:30:40 GMT
McDormand is a great actress, but she doesn't have the glamour of a conventional leading lady, so doesn't get as wide a breadth of opportunities and roles as the Streeps, Kidmans & Blanchetts of the world. The vast majority of her filmography is character/supporting roles. But when she does get a big, juicy lead part, she tends to nail it, which is probably why she has three Best Actress Oscars.
Is she on my personal shortlist for the greatest actress of all-time? No, and three Oscars doesn't change that. But I don't begrudge her one iota of her success.
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Apr 26, 2021 5:32:20 GMT
I'm thinking of doing a "Top 5 Soderbergh films?" thread, cuz I'm starting to feel bad for the (totally deserved) massive online bollocking the little guy is getting & will be getting all week.
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Post by countjohn on Apr 26, 2021 6:08:54 GMT
I was ignoring these tonight because I thought this was a boring, predictable year. Looks like I missed a wild night.
I will definitely be checking out The Father whenever I can. Boseman was phenomenal and of course had the narrative so Hopkins had to have done great stuff to beat him.
In hindsight Fran's upset should not have been a surprise. She got the late momentum with BAFTA and there was not a clear frontrunner before that. The Academy obviously loved Nomadland. Viola still deserved to be the favorite but Fran should have been viewed as the runner up. Mulligan just put off a lot of the older male voters I think, there was never as much enthusiasm for that movie with awards as their was with audiences and critics.
I'm certainly one who poo poos on the importance of awards but this really does alter Fran's legacy. She's now going to be mentioned in the same sentence as he Streep's and Blanchett's of the world. Three oscars will do that for you, that's pretty elite territory.
Don't see that we have a fashion thread anywhere but Vanessa Kirby, Halle Berry, and Zenyada's dresses were all great. I'll also give a shout out to Seyfried's. It was too poofy around the top for my taste but love the color and fabric. Sacha Baron Cohen managed one of the few times where men's alternative formalwear didn't look stupid with the combo of the brownish dinner jacket and white pants. Props to whatever stylist thought of that, don't know if that was a Victorian thing or something.
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Post by pacinoyes on Apr 26, 2021 6:15:24 GMT
Observations: * The Hopkins win is my favorite win.....in a looooooooooooooooooooog time. I thought he had 0 shot. Would have bet anything on it and been flat broke. Totally deserved. It's undeniably great - next year when we start seeing those secret Oscar ballots I'm gonna pay more attention. * Also BP matters for acting nowadays- just like in any other year.......which is weirdly comforting. * McDormand acted opposite non-actors and carried them - it was a whole different type of performance - I mean she was better than Davis - who wasn't that good and was category fraud - but surprised McDormand won too and didn't think it was showy. * She's not winning a 4th for a Scott Rudin movie - much less a Shakespeare movie - as far as I see it and we already established I don't know sh it btw - but a nod would be a huge deal for her (and her co-star too) - that would be her 7th nod after this amazing run the last few years. This is legendary stuff for these 2 winners.......I mean the show blew goats but these wins look like ........for once it WAS a meritocracy.....go figure.
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Post by TerryMontana on Apr 26, 2021 6:23:25 GMT
Still can't believe Hopkins won!! !! Observations: * The Hopkins win is my favorite win.....in a looooooooooooooooooooog time. THIS!!!!
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Post by Archie on Apr 26, 2021 7:03:07 GMT
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Post by hugobolso on Apr 26, 2021 7:39:52 GMT
Daniel Day-Lewis and Katherine Hepburn. Think that's it. She might eclipse them both someday huh? She is only 63. She already eclipsed Daniel Day Lewis she has 4 Oscars, and the only actor leading actor who won for best leading actor/actress and best picture. Beyond that she has a husband and a brother in Law won 4 Oscars and ten nom.- While Day Lewis wife has Zero Oscar noms and father in law only one nomination.- Only the Coppola family have more Oscars.- It's all about Oscars not the quality of perfomance. As an actress she is like a raunchy Kate Hepburn.-
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Post by hugobolso on Apr 26, 2021 7:47:38 GMT
McDormand is a great actress, but she doesn't have the glamour of a conventional leading lady, so doesn't get as wide a breadth of opportunities and roles as the Streeps, Kidmans & Blanchetts of the world. The vast majority of her filmography is character/supporting roles. But when she does get a big, juicy lead part, she tends to nail it, which is probably why she has three Best Actress Oscars. Is she on my personal shortlist for the greatest actress of all-time? No, and three Oscars doesn't change that. But I don't begrudge her one iota of her success. To be fair, she was pretty hot in Mississppi Burning and was a damsel in destress in Darkman.-
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Post by ingmarhepburn on Apr 26, 2021 8:08:37 GMT
Sad that Mulligan lost, but at the same time I'm very happy for Hopkins. What a historical win! He's now the oldest nominee and winner in the category!
Didn't see that coming for McDormand, I thought they would choose to award her as producer this year and that was it. The BAFTAs really must be the best predictor as far as acting is concerned.
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Post by wilcinema on Apr 26, 2021 9:36:44 GMT
Ok, here I go.
1. Don't give a film director the producing job for the Oscars because his ego will ruin everything.
2. I know many people are not fans of the extended timeline of this season, but I think it was the main reason why we had some of these upsets. A longer season gives more time to ponder choices and leaves less room for rubber-stamping winners and sheep mentality.
3. The Oscars are about film, and film is a visual medium. Introducing the nominees without showing their work is COMPLETE NONSENSE. The Oscars are about the celebration of film as much as they are about generating interest in it. How the hell are you going to make people watch these movies if you don't even show a still or a clip??
4. Never take winners for granted. The Best Actor fiasco is gross, and even if Boseman had won, Soderbergh would have just been as lucky as the producers who had the idea of sending Will Smith to present Best Picture to 12 Years A Slave when there was a very strong chance that Gravity could win.
5. The membership of the Academy is changing, and it shows. Yes, we had Green Book but it was a one-off.
6. Last one, and I get that many might not agree: let the branches vote for the techs. Creating a single Sound category is a cop-out, and most of the times techs go to either a popular film or the one with the showiest work, which we know doesn't necessarily equal best. If the branches had voted this year, we might have had Pinocchio as the Makeup winner, or Emma as Costume winner.
End of rant.
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