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Post by stephen on Mar 30, 2021 16:25:20 GMT
I don't know why, but the first name that popped into my head was Stephen McHattie. Fuck yeah. That's an outside-the-box pick that I absolutely love. Get this man more roles.
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Post by franklin on Mar 30, 2021 16:30:04 GMT
Al Pacino (his upcoming King Lear may be his version of The Father) Donald Sutherland Michael Caine Ian McKellen Jack Nicholson (watch About Schmidt)
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Post by TerryMontana on Mar 30, 2021 16:40:24 GMT
Somehow I think Paul Newman in his later years could pull this off.
Nicholson would be another great choice.
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 30, 2021 17:20:47 GMT
Well, Christopher Plummer would have crushed the role obviously, and he was alive when it was shot, so he'd have be my first choice (even over Hopkins).
Michael Caine. I know there is a Caine vs Hopkins poll that was bumped up again with some people claiming Caine hasn't got the kind of pathos or depth of Hopkins, but I beg to differ. He can muster it when he needs to. Definitely no to Robert DeNiro. The definition of stupidity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. He's now a passion free, lethargic actor. He has been for over 20 years. It will not change. He'd probably be competent, but uninspiring. What has Caine done in the last 20 years that’s as good as DeNiro in The Irishman, or even The Intern? Or Everybody's Fine (2009)...........or SLP (2013).............or Wizard of Lies (2017)............
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Post by Archie on Mar 30, 2021 17:57:08 GMT
How about Gerald McRaney?
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Post by Mattsby on Mar 30, 2021 18:38:58 GMT
It's the highest praise that I don't think anyone could've played it better. But obviously my first pick would be Pacino...... I can actually easily picture Sutherland in the part.... and I'd like to see a version done for James Earl Jones with as his daughter Octavia Spencer or Audra McDonald if we wanna make it extra stage-starry.
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Post by wilcinema on Mar 30, 2021 18:50:27 GMT
What if we wanted to reverse the roles and make it The Mother?
Dame Judi Dench would be my first choice. Any of the great trio of British actresses of their generation (Dench/Smith/Mirren) would be perfect. And Clive Owen for the son!
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Post by Mattsby on Mar 30, 2021 18:55:39 GMT
What if we wanted to reverse the roles and make it The Mother? Dame Judi Dench would be my first choice. Any of the great trio of British actresses of their generation (Dench/Smith/Mirren) would be perfect. And Clive Owen for the son! I just started thinking what it would be like if an actress played it.....I like Mirren there.... also, funny enough, Zeller has another play called The Mother actually.... I saw that in NYC with Huppert !!
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Post by thomasjerome on Mar 30, 2021 18:57:06 GMT
What if we wanted to reverse the roles and make it The Mother? Dame Judi Dench would be my first choice. Any of the great trio of British actresses of their generation (Dench/Smith/Mirren) would be perfect. And Clive Owen for the son! Mine would be Sissy Spacek, probably.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 18:57:14 GMT
Ellen Burstyn, for sure.
How about Viggo Mortensen as her son?
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Post by Mattsby on Mar 30, 2021 18:59:48 GMT
What if we wanted to reverse the roles and make it The Mother? Dame Judi Dench would be my first choice. Any of the great trio of British actresses of their generation (Dench/Smith/Mirren) would be perfect. And Clive Owen for the son! Mine would be Sissy Spacek, probably. See EP7 of Castle Rock that is sort of like her "The Mother" - stephen who loves the ep so much he may be watching it at this very moment
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 19:02:05 GMT
And Clive Owen for the son! What about Hugh Grant?
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Post by thomasjerome on Mar 30, 2021 19:02:06 GMT
Mine would be Sissy Spacek, probably. See EP7 of Castle Rock that is sort of like her "The Mother" - stephen who loves the ep so much he may be watching it at this very moment Seen it. That's how the idea came to me. Even though I largely preferred the second season over first, that might be the best episode of the series. Shame that it got cancelled.
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Post by stephen on Mar 30, 2021 19:08:49 GMT
Mine would be Sissy Spacek, probably. See EP7 of Castle Rock that is sort of like her "The Mother" - stephen who loves the ep so much he may be watching it at this very moment It really is.
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 30, 2021 19:10:34 GMT
What if we wanted to reverse the roles and make it The Mother? Dame Judi Dench would be my first choice. Any of the great trio of British actresses of their generation (Dench/Smith/Mirren) would be perfect. And Clive Owen for the son! You could also go less starry than Dench/Smith/Mirren (and also Jackson or Redgrave who are in that "GOAT" group) and go with the least movie star-ish of the bunch Eileen Atkins ...........Atkins in like Tom Courtenay in that they are acting equivalents (or close) to the stage actors of this elite class with less star baggage so sometimes each can shock you without the movie star tics. Both would have been dynamite in the role actually........
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Post by thomasjerome on Mar 30, 2021 19:12:09 GMT
Now that "Castle Rock" has been brought up, I'm thinking of some sort of meta-casting where Kathy Bates is the mother and Lizzy Caplan the daughter.
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Post by mhynson27 on Mar 30, 2021 22:38:47 GMT
He's not quite old enough yet, but my first thought was Peter Mullan.
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Post by stephen on Mar 30, 2021 22:40:47 GMT
He's not quite old enough yet, but my first thought was Peter Mullan. Watch The Fear.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 30, 2021 22:58:13 GMT
Caine in Harry Brown and The Quiet American (where he was y',know, Oscar nominated for Best Actor in 2003) piss over DeNiro in both those films by a gigantic fucking margin. Caine doesn't even get that many "great roles" in the last 20 years. He's usually playing supporting exposition character/butler for Chris Nolan in high profile projects (and he's always good in that stuff, even if it barely challenges him), but when he gets a great part, he almost never wastes it. And good shout on Harry Brown. Yeah, I'm sort of aghast that some people can seriously think a miscast DeNiro in The Irishman, who managed to deliver one of the most embarrassing scenes of his career: ...is remotely in the same realm as Caine in Harry Brown, who was brilliant and believable in every single frame of that movie. But taste is subjective I guess.
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Post by ireallyamsomething on Mar 31, 2021 1:34:38 GMT
Well, Christopher Plummer would have crushed the role obviously, and he was alive when it was shot, so he'd have be my first choice (even over Hopkins).
Michael Caine. I know there is a Caine vs Hopkins poll that was bumped up again with some people claiming Caine hasn't got the kind of pathos or depth of Hopkins, but I beg to differ. He can muster it when he needs to. Definitely no to Robert DeNiro. The definition of stupidity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. He's now a passion free, lethargic actor. He has been for over 20 years. It will not change. He'd probably be competent, but uninspiring. What has Caine done in the last 20 years that’s as good as DeNiro in The Irishman, or even The Intern? I should start by saying that I actually really like De Niro in The Intern. But Caine has had a number of impressive performances where he has done a lot with little - Youth, Harry Brown, Is Anybody there, Sleuth written by Harold Pinter (though that was a meaty script). And his turns in the Children of Men and The Dark Knight Trilogy are excellent examples of how a great, charismatic actor can elevate what could have been fairly forgettable roles.
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Post by Viced on Mar 31, 2021 2:03:19 GMT
I watched Harry Brown a few weeks ago. Pretty shit movie, though Caine carries it admirably. But he definitely looks ridiculous firing the gun in a few scenes... but that didn't weigh on me much, because I don't judge performances based on 30 second clips (like De Niro in The Irishman, Adam Driver in Look Back in Anger, Marion Cotillard in The Dark Knight Rises... etc).
To answer the reason for this thread, I'll give Bruce Dern a mention. Haven't even seen a trailer for The Father yet though, so I'm just throwing a random old dude's name out there.
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Post by stephen on Mar 31, 2021 2:04:40 GMT
To answer the reason for this thread, I'll give Bruce Dern a mention. Haven't even seen a trailer for The Father yet though, so I'm just throwing a random old dude's name out there. You might be on to something with Bruce Dern, especially if we could get Laura in there in the Colman role.
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Post by ireallyamsomething on Mar 31, 2021 2:39:50 GMT
To answer the reason for this thread, I'll give Bruce Dern a mention. Haven't even seen a trailer for The Father yet though, so I'm just throwing a random old dude's name out there. You might be on to something with Bruce Dern, especially if we could get Laura in there in the Colman role. Bruce Dern did a variation on this excellently in Nebraska.
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Post by ireallyamsomething on Mar 31, 2021 5:33:57 GMT
Just thought that Jeff Bridges could also be an interesting choice (would require a change of setting though).
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 31, 2021 7:27:24 GMT
Genuinely the first time I've ever heard somebody claim Caine looked ridiculous in Harry Brown, but I know full well I'm always stepping onto a potential minefield on this board if I say anything about The Irishman that is less than mindless praise, so it is what it is. I don't judge DeNiro's performance soley on that 30 second clip.
But that clip neatly encapsulates many of the flaws of his performance overall and why he is miscast, imho. He moves, behaved and reacts like a 75 year old man, when he's in bad CGI deaging and supposed to be in his 30's and 40s and Joe Pesci is calling him "kid". For most of the film, I don't buy into his performance whatsoever. He has old man lethargy even when he is "young", which is why some of us thought on another thread not that long ago that Jon Bernthal would have crushed it in the younger parts of the DeNiro role if cast instead If others can overlook all that, because they love the film so much, good for them, but I have a different threshold for what I consider a "great" performance . Bobby D has a lot of great work that I absolutely adore, so that doesn't pass the smell test for me.
Glad the performance has it's fans. Ultimately art is subjective and all that. And y'know, I thought DeNiro did some pretty nice stuff when he was actually playing close to his own age. But it doesn't (for me) make up for the other two hours where he acted like a sleepy old man, when he was supposed to at least seem younger and more vibrant.
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