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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Mar 6, 2021 14:45:07 GMT
What she did was wrong but her love for vision and grief overcame the morality factor here. She looked at all townsfolk and the miserable lives they were leading and thought she was giving a better something for them. Someone like Steve Rogers would never do that even if he has that much power. Which is why it's a bit off-putting that the show lets her off the hook, even going so far as having Monica essentially go "I'd also hold an entire town hostage if my grief were combined with mind-altering powers, these people should be grateful you didn't work them like a puppet longer." Well she clearly thought they were peacefully hypnotized and was horrified with the reveal they were suffering. Monica let’s her off the hook a bit but it doesn’t mean that SWORD or the Gov did. Clearly that’s why the show ended with her leaving and being alone on a remote area.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Mar 6, 2021 15:04:16 GMT
Which is why it's a bit off-putting that the show lets her off the hook, even going so far as having Monica essentially go "I'd also hold an entire town hostage if my grief were combined with mind-altering powers, these people should be grateful you didn't work them like a puppet longer." Well she clearly thought they were peacefully hypnotized and was horrified with the reveal they were suffering. Monica let’s her off the hook a bit but it doesn’t mean that SWORD or the Gov did. Clearly that’s why the show ended with her leaving and being alone on a remote area. Peacefully hypnotized as in having their entire lives on hold for months to play sitcom extras? As for SWORD and the government, they are powerless to stop her anyway and do not serve a meaningful threat. The sword of Damocles may as well be a Nerf dart.
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Post by Pavan on Mar 6, 2021 15:23:05 GMT
Well she clearly thought they were peacefully hypnotized and was horrified with the reveal they were suffering. Monica let’s her off the hook a bit but it doesn’t mean that SWORD or the Gov did. Clearly that’s why the show ended with her leaving and being alone on a remote area. Peacefully hypnotized as in having their entire lives on hold for months to play sitcom extras? As for SWORD and the government, they are powerless to stop her anyway and do not serve a meaningful threat. The sword of Damocles may as well be a Nerf dart. Sword and Govt can't stop her but Doctor Strange can. Which is why i think he will come into the scene in the Multiverse movie when Wanda does even darker stuff.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Mar 6, 2021 21:06:11 GMT
Peacefully hypnotized as in having their entire lives on hold for months to play sitcom extras? As for SWORD and the government, they are powerless to stop her anyway and do not serve a meaningful threat. The sword of Damocles may as well be a Nerf dart. Sword and Govt can't stop her but Doctor Strange can. Which is why i think he will come into the scene in the Multiverse movie when Wanda does even darker stuff. If I had to guess she’ll just be trying to pull her kids into her reality and will split open the multiverse. Not sure she’ll be an antagonist to Doctor Strange as much as he’ll mentor her as they to repair it.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 6, 2021 21:20:46 GMT
Peacefully hypnotized as in having their entire lives on hold for months to play sitcom extras? As for SWORD and the government, they are powerless to stop her anyway and do not serve a meaningful threat. The sword of Damocles may as well be a Nerf dart. Sword and Govt can't stop her but Doctor Strange can. Which is why i think he will come into the scene in the Multiverse movie when Wanda does even darker stuff. Agatha made a point of saying Wanda was "more powerful than the Sorcerer Supreme" (who is Doctor Strange), so Strange may need help to stop her
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Post by ibbi on Mar 6, 2021 23:08:12 GMT
I have never disliked Kathryn Hahn in anything I have ever seen her in, but holy hell, after that amazing end of episode 7 reveal (god bless Bobby Lopez) her Chris Nolan penned asides in that penultimate episode almost ruined what was otherwise one of the neater episodes of TV I’ve seen recently. Finale definitely wrapped up too neatly.
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Post by Pavan on Mar 7, 2021 7:29:51 GMT
Sword and Govt can't stop her but Doctor Strange can. Which is why i think he will come into the scene in the Multiverse movie when Wanda does even darker stuff. Agatha made a point of saying Wanda was "more powerful than the Sorcerer Supreme" (who is Doctor Strange), so Strange may need help to stop her Not at the end of Wandavision but she will be more powerful. Also Strange is supposed to be the best among the Sorcerer Supreme's as the Ancient One said. And even before that he defeated Dormammu with the help of the time stone. He might have a couple of tricks to stop Wanda tearing up the multiverse or they will join hands to stop a bigger enemy. We have to wait and see.
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Post by cheesecake on Mar 7, 2021 18:04:28 GMT
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Post by countjohn on Mar 7, 2021 18:09:10 GMT
I haven't actually watched the end of this but I heard about it and it sounds pretty "yikes". "It's okay to enslave people for your amusement as long as you're like, super duper sad" is a pretty questionable moral of the story.
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Post by Mattsby on Mar 8, 2021 20:10:09 GMT
First two eps were amusing on their own, especially E2 and that magic show going wrong and right at the same time. The rest of it felt like a dud or a joke..... and confusing too.... a little more Disney Channel Movie than Marvel..... Up Up And Away truly came to mind.
That "They dont know what you've sacrificed" bullshit line in the finale made me wanna throw my pistachios at the screen.
Edit: Forgot to say that one deadpan Fred Melamed line killed me. "My wife's head is spinning and generally speaking I don't like her head to do that."
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Post by Martin Stett on Feb 23, 2022 1:58:40 GMT
Episode 1
"My mother-in-law was in town... so I wasn't."
Well, that was delightful. Thank you for experimenting with postmodern comedy, Marvel! This was clearly just seeding a larger narrative, but it works on its own merit as a sitcom with a dash of cosmic horror on the side. As someone who dislikes the copy+paste MCU stuff - and as someone who found Wanda and Vision to be two of the best characters in the whole franchise - I'm digging this start. Give me more.
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Post by Drish on Feb 23, 2022 2:23:50 GMT
Can we watch this if we've only seen the Spiderman movies, Endgame & Infinity War and Captain Marvel? Else I'll skip.
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Post by Martin Stett on Feb 23, 2022 2:32:59 GMT
Can we watch this if we've only seen the Spiderman movies, Endgame & Infinity War and Captain Marvel? Else I'll skip. From the basis of one episode, I think you should be fine. I'd recommend trying out Age of Ultron or Civil War for a bit more of Wanda and Vision's story, but it isn't necessary - all you need to know is Infinity War/Endgame, by the look of it. But then, the first episode plays its cards VERY close to its chest, revealing virtually nothing about the larger narrative that the show will be taking.
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Post by Martin Stett on Feb 24, 2022 3:13:37 GMT
Episode 2"FOR THE CHILDREN" Gonna be spoiler tagging from here on out Not as funny as the first episode (it's hard to beat a classic I Love Lucy set-up, to be fair), but still cute. I really enjoyed the more ominous tone that pervades this one. Elizabeth Olsen's desperation is palpable whenever the machinery is revealed. Marvelous work from her, although she doesn't nail comedy in the way Paul Bettany does. Nothing here has quite the horrifying power of the panicked "STOP IT!" choking scene, but the Bee Man was still pretty chilling in a very Twin Peaks sort of way.
I'm sort of hoping that the show never explains what is going on and just fills the gap of "sitcom Twin Peaks" actually. I know that won't happen, but the longer this can go without explicitly revealing how fragile Wanda's grasp of reality is, the better.
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Post by Martin Stett on Feb 25, 2022 2:27:49 GMT
Episode 3
"To be fair, darling, the baby is approximately nine months early."
Nothing new here, but this is still super enjoyable. The sitcom parts are still very good at inducing laughs (and groans - oh man, there were three deep groans in this one that I was ashamed of finding funny). The overarching story is... uh, thin. The mystery is fairly straightforward and not very mysterious. But it is still a fun departure focusing on the best characters in the franchise, giving them the story arc they were never afforded in Infinity War/Endgame. Unless this completely screws itself over at the end, it will be in the top tier of MCU products.
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Post by rhodoraonline on Feb 26, 2022 0:56:03 GMT
Glad you're enjoying it
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Post by Martin Stett on Feb 26, 2022 2:16:06 GMT
Episode 4"We've got a full clown car." Nothing much to speak of here, it's just clarifying things for the people that haven't been able to follow what's going on. It's fine, as such. Darcy is a great addition, as she was always the highlight of the Thor movies. It's like the writers are specifically grabbing characters who were underserved by the previous MCU narratives, and giving them a full show to shine. I'm also enjoying the presence of Woo, who makes for a great comic duo with Darcy. Hmm. Nothing else to add, really. Reasonably fun, for an episode that is straight exposition (of things we already know).
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Post by Martin Stett on Feb 27, 2022 2:12:37 GMT
Episode 5"At this rate, they'll be empty nesters by dinner time." "You are my husband. You are Tommy and Billy's father. Isn't that enough?"
One problem I have with the MCU is that characters never actually reflect on their actions. Sure, Civil War was supposedly built on that idea, but it dumped the interesting concept for the chance to have the action figures fight each other, ending in an insulting finale in which all of Tony and Steve's philosophical differences are reduced to daddy issues.
But WandaVision appears to actually intend for Wanda to come face to face with herself and what she wants. "I have what I want," she claims as she hides everything from Vision... which, of course, puts a toll on her as she breaks down under the strain of secrecy. For how can one love without honesty and respect?
This isn't anything groundbreaking, but it doesn't have to be. It just has to be good. And damn it, this hasn't really put a foot wrong for me. I think that the SWORD stuff is less interesting than actually looking inside of Wanda's head, but Darcy is there and Darcy is always welcome. (This has taken my three favorite MCU characters and put them all in the same show. This was *made* for me.) This is as close to a character study as this brand has ever come, and I am enjoying the chance to delve into characters with a more... adult viewpoint. No shooting, no action, just lies and anger and self-pity and all the stuff good stories are made of.
Side note: I really enjoyed that Wanda let her accent slip in the confrontation. It has always bugged me that they just dropped her Sokovian accent without comment, and I've been praying that she'd go back to using it at some point in this show - and my wish came true! It's a small thing, but it made me happy.
Edit: I also love Woo. I thought he seemed familiar, so apparently he was in Ant-Man and the Wasp. I vaguely remember him now. That was the second or third best film of the franchise, and... well, he was a part of it. I think he was cool? He's cool here.
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Post by Martin Stett on Feb 28, 2022 2:41:53 GMT
Episode 6"Are you old Red Riding Hood?" Not a great episode in itself, but this is clearly a transition episode, much like episode 4. This is shaking things up fairly regularly - starting with cosmic horror, switching to a character study of Wanda Maximoff, and now... well, we'll have to see, won't we? At least it isn't getting caught in a rut. It is too bad that Monica and Hayward are so boring when the returning cast members are all aces (they are cliched hero and villain respectively), but oh well. The most interesting part of this is Pietro and his very intense questioning throwing Wanda off guard. I wonder who is "playing" Pietro - could it be the bee man from episode 2? But why would she cast a known enemy as her brother? Hmm. He could also be Woo's guy in witness protection, as I don't believe that identity has ever been revealed. Maybe I'm fixating on him too much, but there isn't much else to go on here: this was a shake-up, and didn't spend much time on character development or plot reveals of things we didn't know (like Vision being SWORD's target). I'll see where this takes me.
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Post by Martin Stett on Mar 1, 2022 2:36:53 GMT
Episode 7"Part of me secretly wanted a guest spot on the show." Not sure what to make of that twist. It seems like an easy out to avoid all of the moral quandaries Wanda has gotten herself into. Just add a villain that we can all agree is bad, and we don't have to worry about them any more! As an episode in itself, it also felt sluggish compared to the others. Nothing much happens here, until the big reveal. Well, we get another superhero, and it is... the only truly boring character in the show, of course. I was just rather underwhelmed by this whole thing. It isn't very funny (I'll admit to giggling at Agatha's final line), and it doesn't present any new character developments. It just has a SHOCKING TWIST and expects that to tide us over until the next episode. For a show that has been so solid before this, resorting to such a blatant trick feels like a betrayal. Well, maybe my fears won't be realized. Maybe this won't trip up at the finish line.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Mar 1, 2022 4:08:26 GMT
Eh, Hehe. Yeah, about that…
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Post by Martin Stett on Mar 2, 2022 2:05:46 GMT
Episode 8"It's not that kind of show." So far, so good. I mean, this is basically utilizing the Chosen One trope, and that is very stupid. But this wasn't a ruinous disaster. Some parts were pretty touching. I'll see how it goes in the finale.
Side note: I was getting Madoka Magica vibes for a long time (from the first episode, in fact) and kept my mouth shut. But I can't deny it any longer: WandaVision is cribbing, man. I dig it. Steal from the best. I am unfamiliar with the comic source material, but I somehow doubt that it bears this many similarities to the greatest of all anime.
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Post by Martin Stett on Mar 3, 2022 3:24:19 GMT
Episode 9 - FINALE!!!"We'll say hello again." Well, *I* liked it! Monica's awful "they'll never know what you sacrificed" aside (bitch, SHE'S BEEN TORTURING THEM FOR DAYS AND BEEN FORCING THEM TO LIVE HER NIGHTMARES!), this was a fitting, touching end to Wanda's story. Agatha is a boring, boring villain, the climactic MCU fight stuff is as dull as ever, but... this understood Wanda, and didn't cheat away entirely from making her face the consequences of her actions. This was always about Wanda's inability to move on after Vision's death, and how she has a legacy of hurting innocent people and wallowing in her own pain. Seeing Wanda hide from everything that has happened and then learn to grow and face herself... I liked it all. I think the ending is an appropriate end (for the moment) to the character arc that Wanda has been going through since Age of Ultron. I dig it.
Monica is the worst thing ever: a mouthpiece for Kevin Feige wanting us not to judge Wanda so he can bring her back for more movies. But oh well.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Mar 3, 2022 13:30:24 GMT
I’m very curious on how you’ll like (or not like) Loki
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Post by Martin Stett on Mar 3, 2022 15:48:30 GMT
I’m very curious on how you’ll like (or not like) Loki I enjoyed the trailer, as it looks like Marvel experimenting some more. That said, I never liked Loki much as a character. He's inconsistently written, even within his first appearance. I have no idea what drives him. And unlike my sister, I don't want to lick every inch of his body, so the main attraction of the character to her doesn't appeal to me...
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