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Post by sirchuck23 on Nov 25, 2020 16:23:41 GMT
It's an interesting list of performers they've compiled. Reeves is somewhat surprising, but he's had a great comeback run with the John Wick franchise, a great action movie star!
And you keep seeing the usual suspects at or near the top of the greatest actors working or greatest actors of the 21st century (Denzel, DDL, Kidman, etc.). Not a coincidence.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Nov 25, 2020 16:23:56 GMT
Some of the choices and their ranking are questionable, but I can't complain when Denzel is rightfully #1. Also while I don't think Keanu is a thespian, there's a reason he's lasted as long as he has.
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 25, 2020 18:23:42 GMT
And you keep seeing the usual suspects at or near the top of the greatest actors working or greatest actors of the 21st century (Denzel, DDL, Kidman, etc.). Not a coincidence. Yep. Pretty strong words about Denzel on this list as well . Apparently, he was the only one where the was no hesitation or debate about his placement on the list. "We argued and wrangled about every other slot on the list, but there was no hesitation with this one.
Denzel Washington is beyond category: A screen titan who is a subtle and sensitive craftsman with serious old school stage training and blazing movie star presence. He can do Shakespeare and August Wilson, villainy or action heroism. He is also on of the supreme regular guy actors...
He makes the job---by which I mean acting--- look like breathing."
www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/movies/greatest-actors-actresses.html
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Post by sirchuck23 on Nov 25, 2020 18:30:46 GMT
And you keep seeing the usual suspects at or near the top of the greatest actors working or greatest actors of the 21st century (Denzel, DDL, Kidman, etc.). Not a coincidence. Yep. Pretty strong words about Denzel on this list as well . Apparently, he was the only one where the was no hesitation or debate about his placement on the list. "We argued and wrangled about every other slot on the list, but there was no hesitation with this one.
Denzel Washington is beyond category: A screen titan who is a subtle and sensitive craftsman with serious old school stage training and blazing movie star presence. He can do Shakespeare and August Wilson, villainy or action heroism. He is also on of the supreme regular guy actors...
He makes the job---by which I mean acting--- look like breathing."
www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/movies/greatest-actors-actresses.html
That's an on point statement right there and with a great sense of timing with both The Little Things and The Tragedy of MacBeth coming out in 2021. Shakespeare and a "regular guy" role.
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Post by quetee on Nov 25, 2020 18:56:01 GMT
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Post by countjohn on Nov 25, 2020 19:32:58 GMT
As others have said this list sucks. Just a little hard to take seriously when you have Melissa McCarthy and Keanu Reeves (and at no. 4 right behind DDL ) but no Blanchett, no Streep, no PSH, no Bale, no Oldman, no Ralph Fiennes, no Crowe, no Amy Adams, no Cotillard, no Rachel Weisz, no Michelle Williams, no Rooney Mara. Are the people at NYT who decided on this list going to look me in the eye and tell me Keanu Reeves has been a better actor than all of those people over the past 20 years? Plus people they have behind him on the actual list like Viola Davis, Saoirse, Phoenix, Oscar Isaac, and Ali. All of whom are good placements, by the way, to not be 100% negative. On the one hand you can kind of laugh about this, but on the other, film criticism is dead, it's just about pandering to kids on Twitter. And that's a problem. I'm assuming most of us got into older movies by seeking out movies that were considered the best by critics. That lead to me watching Kubrick, Welles, Lynch, Tarkovsky, and Bergman, just to name a few. What happens when film critics just want to kiss their audiences ass and tell them about the greatness of movies they know they've already seen and liked? Who's going to go back and watch those movies? It already feels like a lot of Hollywood directors don't have any influences besides Spielberg and Star Wars. To address Denzel, I guess technically the subject of the thread, I'm not surprised, and I get it. But I think with him if you're ranking him no. 1 you're doing it on the basis of a small number of performances. A majority of his output in the 21st century has been genre and action hero stuff. I just don't care about that stuff when ranking all time greats and being prolific doesn't inherently matter to me either. The point being, if you're just going to base it on someone's 4-5 best performances I don't see how it's not DDL. The only argument against him is the small number of performances.
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 25, 2020 20:02:47 GMT
but no Blanchett, no Streep, no PSH, no Bale, no Oldman, no Ralph Fiennes, no Crowe, no Amy Adams, no Cotillard, no Rachel Weisz, no Michelle Williams, no Rooney Mara. I've often called Michelle Williams the best American actress of her generation (she's 40) and they just ignored that whole generation (30-40) - most of whom have an Oscar (Portman, Larson, Stone, Lawrence, Oscar-less ScarJo) I think the argument to all these lists actually always comes down to the weird disconnect between "best" and "greatest" - best means best, that's it, simple....... and "greatest" is that weird vaguish term that incorporates something else ...........movie stardom and box office and power (and in this list cultural importance - over half this list is non-Caucasian).......... that is distinct from merely "best". It's what I always use for Willem Dafoe in that he is arguably the best American film actor of the 1980s class.........I could make that argument ..........but not "greatest" for him imo. So the list is sort of six of one/half dozen of the other......
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Post by fiosnasiob on Nov 25, 2020 20:03:45 GMT
As others have said this list sucks. Just a little hard to take seriously when you have Melissa McCarthy and Keanu Reeves (and at no. 4 right behind DDL ) but no Blanchett, no Streep, no PSH, no Bale, no Oldman, no Ralph Fiennes, no Crowe, no Amy Adams, no Cotillard, no Rachel Weisz, no Michelle Williams, no Rooney Mara. Are the people at NYT who decided on this list going to look me in the eye and tell me Keanu Reeves has been a better actor than all of those people over the past 20 years? Plus people they have behind him on the actual list like Viola Davis, Saoirse, Phoenix, Oscar Isaac, and Ali. All of whom are good placements, by the way, to not be 100% negative. To address Denzel, I guess technically the subject of the thread, I'm not surprised, and I get it. But I think with him if you're ranking him no. 1 you're doing it on the basis of a small number of performances. A majority of his output in the 21st century has been genre and action hero stuff. I just don't care about that stuff when ranking all time greats and being prolific doesn't inherently matter to me either. The point being, if you're just going to base it on someone's 4-5 best performances I don't see how it's not DDL. The only argument against him is the small number of performances. When you say that you don't care about this stuff (action films), it's to the point to not even watch them or you don't care because you are never impressed (acting wise) ? If it's the former, I can understand someone who don't like watching these kind of movies but these kind of movies can also contains some worthy performances, and in my opinion it's especially the case with Denzel (that's one of the reason I admire him so much) he will always add so much depth and emotions to the whole thing, we always have these "Denzel scenes" that reminds us the great actor he is and that's why no matters how many genre/action films he do, he never lose this reputation of great actor, on contrary, what he's able to do in these kind of films tend to set him apart imo. A scene from his last action film, this was easily one of my biggest moment in a movie theater since a long time, everybody was relax, enjoying their Denzel action film, eating pop corn, etc... until that scene arrives, he completely put in silence the entire theater for like 3 minutes, it was amaziiiing.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Nov 25, 2020 20:05:46 GMT
I just find it amazing that an actor like Denzel who hasn't worked with Scorsese, Spielberg, Tarantino, Fincher, PTA, Wes Anderson..none of the major American directors of the past 30 years (outside of Spike Lee), keeps finding himself at or near the top of lists like this. Whether he's #1 or #10 on these lists, I think its dope that an actor who is a part-time action star and stars in alot of genre material (which cinephiles usually don't like) remains this highly regarded. And attempting to do those action hero/genre type films is harder than it looks...ask Sean Penn.
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Post by quetee on Nov 25, 2020 20:10:40 GMT
I just find it amazing that an actor like Denzel who hasn't worked with Scorsese, Spielberg, Tarantino, Fincher, PTA, Wes Anderson..none of the major American directors of the past 30 years (outside of Spike Lee), keeps finding himself at or near the top of lists like this. Whether he's #1 or #10 on these lists, I think its dope that an actor who is a part-time action star and stars in alot of genre material (which cinephiles usually don't like) remains this highly regarded. And attempting to do those action hero/genre type films is harder than it looks...ask Sean Penn. Having crossover appeals helps a lot. You don't hear too many people say anything bad about Denzel.
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Post by DeepArcher on Nov 25, 2020 20:13:41 GMT
I’m starting to think lists like this are just being published to bait MAR.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Nov 25, 2020 20:15:58 GMT
I just find it amazing that an actor like Denzel who hasn't worked with Scorsese, Spielberg, Tarantino, Fincher, PTA, Wes Anderson..none of the major American directors of the past 30 years (outside of Spike Lee), keeps finding himself at or near the top of lists like this. Whether he's #1 or #10 on these lists, I think its dope that an actor who is a part-time action star and stars in alot of genre material (which cinephiles usually don't like) remains this highly regarded. And attempting to do those action hero/genre type films is harder than it looks...ask Sean Penn. Having crossover appeals helps a lot. You don't hear too many people say anything bad about Denzel. Yep..and such a virtuoso talent also. Film or Theater, Oscar prestige film or genre action/crime film, major auteur filmmaker or studio director, he can pretty much do great work in any environment. He's a big time movie star and an actors' actor. Great combination.
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 25, 2020 20:16:29 GMT
As others have said this list sucks. Just a little hard to take seriously when you have Melissa McCarthy and Keanu Reeves (and at no. 4 right behind DDL ) but no Blanchett, no Streep, no PSH, no Bale, no Oldman, no Ralph Fiennes, no Crowe, no Amy Adams, no Cotillard, no Rachel Weisz, no Michelle Williams, no Rooney Mara. Are the people at NYT who decided on this list going to look me in the eye and tell me Keanu Reeves has been a better actor than all of those people over the past 20 years? Plus people they have behind him on the actual list like Viola Davis, Saoirse, Phoenix, Oscar Isaac, and Ali. All of whom are good placements, by the way, to not be 100% negative. On the one hand you can kind of laugh about this, but on the other, film criticism is dead, it's just about pandering to kids on Twitter. And that's a problem. I'm assuming most of us got into older movies by seeking out movies that were considered the best by critics. That lead to me watching Kubrick, Welles, Lynch, Tarkovsky, and Bergman, just to name a few. What happens when film critics just want to kiss their audiences ass and tell them about the greatness of movies they know they've already seen and liked? Who's going to go back and watch those movies? It already feels like a lot of Hollywood directors don't have any influences besides Spielberg and Star Wars. To address Denzel, I guess technically the subject of the thread, I'm not surprised, and I get it. But I think with him if you're ranking him no. 1 you're doing it on the basis of a small number of performances. A majority of his output in the 21st century has been genre and action hero stuff. I just don't care about that stuff when ranking all time greats and being prolific doesn't inherently matter to me either. The point being, if you're just going to base it on someone's 4-5 best performances I don't see how it's not DDL. The only argument against him is the small number of performances. Dargis said dead people were excluded, hence no PSH. Other than that, they made it pretty clear the was no formula for picking this list other than arguing it out, and they are very aware it's subjective and some omissions will be considered "scandalous". Considering all that, it could be a lot worse. Every single one of these lists made since the dawn of time have been subjective to a degree, and left deserving people off and maybe had a few left field choices. This list is just more of the same and will generate interesting conversation like we and many others are having now about it. The omission of actors you may favor or rate higher does not devalue their worth. Maybe they end up in the next big subjective list from some major publication. That's how these things roll. I think calling it the death of film criticism errs on the slightly dramatic. As morton said, I don't really have a problem with the inclusion of Melissa McCarthy. She's a proven and exceptional comic actor, and her more dramatic work in Can You Ever Forgive was outstanding. She's someone who won't always get platinum opportunities because of her look/size (much like the great Kathy Bates), but honestly, she's a superb talent and I'm looking forward to see what she does in more material worthy of that talent (she's co-starring with Nicole Kidman in the Hulu limited series Nine Perfect Strangers, and I think she will likely be brilliant in stronger, serious material like this) Obviously, I'm not going to have any issue with Denzel being no.1 . But not everyone is neccesarily as snobby about genre or action material, especially when someone like Denzel elevates it with his presence. They pretty much state him being able to do all that action/genre stuff, then switch on a dime to heavyweight Oscar guzzling dramatics like Fences, Flight, American Gangster and Training Day , is what puts him over even someone like DDL. And frankly, he's given some brilliant, brilliant performances in action and genre material (ie Man On Fire). Denzel doesn't slum it in action films and phone in a performance. He gives his action stuff the same consideration and respect he would his theatre material or his Oscarbait stuff. It shows, and that is why he is always atop these kind of "greatest actor" lists, or near enough. He's a heavyweight thesp, a regular joe everyman AND a part-time action guy. Who is all those things to such a high degree? Certainly not DDL, brilliant as he may be. I've always said his ability to do that is a massive strength, and I'm obviously not alone in that thought process.
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 25, 2020 20:48:35 GMT
As others have said this list sucks. Just a little hard to take seriously when you have Melissa McCarthy and Keanu Reeves (and at no. 4 right behind DDL ) but no Blanchett, no Streep, no PSH, no Bale, no Oldman, no Ralph Fiennes, no Crowe, no Amy Adams, no Cotillard, no Rachel Weisz, no Michelle Williams, no Rooney Mara. Are the people at NYT who decided on this list going to look me in the eye and tell me Keanu Reeves has been a better actor than all of those people over the past 20 years? Plus people they have behind him on the actual list like Viola Davis, Saoirse, Phoenix, Oscar Isaac, and Ali. All of whom are good placements, by the way, to not be 100% negative. To address Denzel, I guess technically the subject of the thread, I'm not surprised, and I get it. But I think with him if you're ranking him no. 1 you're doing it on the basis of a small number of performances. A majority of his output in the 21st century has been genre and action hero stuff. I just don't care about that stuff when ranking all time greats and being prolific doesn't inherently matter to me either. The point being, if you're just going to base it on someone's 4-5 best performances I don't see how it's not DDL. The only argument against him is the small number of performances. When you say that you don't care about this stuff (action films), it's to the point to not even watch them or you don't care because you are never impressed (acting wise) ? If it's the former, I can understand someone who don't like watching these kind of movies but these kind of movies can also contains some worthy performances, and in my opinion it's especially the case with Denzel (that's one of the reason I admire him so much) he will always add so much depth and emotions to the whole thing, we always have these "Denzel scenes" that reminds us the great actor he is and that's why no matters how many genre/action films he do, he never lose this reputation of great actor, on contrary, what he's able to do in these kind of films tend to set him apart imo. A scene from his last action film, this was easily one of my biggest moment in a movie theater since a long time, everybody was relax, enjoying their Denzel action film, eating pop corn, etc... until that scene arrives, he completely put in silence the entire theater for like 3 minutes, it was amaziiiing. For me an even better scene is from the first Equalizer. He's treating this scene with Marton Cskoas like it's Heat and he's going toe to toe with prime DeNiro and Pacino. It's a brilliantly acted face off, with two men trying to psyche each other out at a table for 5 minutes (Cskoas should get more work. He can really act, and looks like Kevin Spacy, who needs replacing). Denzel doesn't have to put that kind effort in. He could just say to himself, "it's only an action film". But the guy still wants to fucking act, even if a couple of scenes later he's going to be blowing someone's head off with an automatic weapon
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Post by fiosnasiob on Nov 25, 2020 20:53:44 GMT
Haha yeah, that one is great and I'm always frustrated that they cut the last few seconds of Denzel death stare in this clip. Btw I feel like we had this exact same post/discussion a while ago It's fun tho
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Post by isabelaolive on Nov 25, 2020 21:00:02 GMT
25 Gael Garcia Bernal 24 Sonia Braga 18 Willem Dafoe 17 Alfre Woodard 16 Kim Min-hee 14 Oscar Isaac 13 Tilda Swinton 12 Joaquin Phoenix 11 Julianne Moore 10 Sairose Ronan 9 Viola Davis 8 Zhao Tao 6 Song Kang-Ho 5 Nicole Kidman 3 Daniel Day-Lewis 2 Isabelle Huppert 1 Denzel Washington
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Post by Mattsby on Nov 25, 2020 21:04:34 GMT
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 25, 2020 21:06:02 GMT
Haha yeah, that one is great and I'm always frustrated that they cut the last few seconds of Denzel death stare in this clip. Btw I feel like we had this exact same post/discussion a while ago It's fun tho Yeah I feel we probably have had this exact discussion before! But Denzel wasn't named the Greatest Actor Of The 21st Century So Far by the New York Times, the Newspaper Of Record back then , so it maybe it bears repeating
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Post by franklin on Nov 25, 2020 21:08:16 GMT
I'll be the only one here, but even Denzel being number one is an issue here for me.
DDL's 21st Century work is indisputably superior, I mean, come on:
Gangs of New York There Will Be Blood Lincoln Phantom Thread
He's the greatest.
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 25, 2020 21:14:23 GMT
I'll be the only one here, but even Denzel being number one is an issue here for me. You aren't the only one here who thinks that. At least two other people on this thread have said this already, though it appears the majority are fine with it and think Denzel is a deserving no.1. DDL is great as well. No.3 is a strong spot for him. But of their era, Denzel is probably going to go down as the GOAT.
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Post by countjohn on Nov 25, 2020 21:16:32 GMT
but no Blanchett, no Streep, no PSH, no Bale, no Oldman, no Ralph Fiennes, no Crowe, no Amy Adams, no Cotillard, no Rachel Weisz, no Michelle Williams, no Rooney Mara. I've often called Michelle Williams the best American actress of her generation (she's 40) and they just ignored that whole generation (30-40) - most of whom have an Oscar (Portman, Larson, Stone, Lawrence, Oscar-less ScarJo) Those actresses born in the 80's I think could end up being remembered as a really special group, certainly more so than the male actors in the same age range. So it is a bit surprising that none of them are there. I didn't mention her in the post because she is very inconsistent and a more borderline case but I would put Portman on my own list as well and I think she is clearly better than some of the people on there. As others have said this list sucks. Just a little hard to take seriously when you have Melissa McCarthy and Keanu Reeves (and at no. 4 right behind DDL ) but no Blanchett, no Streep, no PSH, no Bale, no Oldman, no Ralph Fiennes, no Crowe, no Amy Adams, no Cotillard, no Rachel Weisz, no Michelle Williams, no Rooney Mara. Are the people at NYT who decided on this list going to look me in the eye and tell me Keanu Reeves has been a better actor than all of those people over the past 20 years? Plus people they have behind him on the actual list like Viola Davis, Saoirse, Phoenix, Oscar Isaac, and Ali. All of whom are good placements, by the way, to not be 100% negative. To address Denzel, I guess technically the subject of the thread, I'm not surprised, and I get it. But I think with him if you're ranking him no. 1 you're doing it on the basis of a small number of performances. A majority of his output in the 21st century has been genre and action hero stuff. I just don't care about that stuff when ranking all time greats and being prolific doesn't inherently matter to me either. The point being, if you're just going to base it on someone's 4-5 best performances I don't see how it's not DDL. The only argument against him is the small number of performances. When you say that you don't care about this stuff (action films), it's to the point to not even watch them or you don't care because you are never impressed (acting wise) ? If it's the former, I can understand someone who don't like watching these kind of movies but these kind of movies can also contains some worthy performances, and in my opinion it's especially the case with Denzel (that's one of the reason I admire him so much) he will always add so much depth and emotions to the whole thing, we always have these "Denzel scenes" that reminds us the great actor he is and that's why no matters how many genre/action films he do, he never lose this reputation of great actor, on contrary, what he's able to do in these kind of films tend to set him apart imo.. As others have said this list sucks. Just a little hard to take seriously when you have Melissa McCarthy and Keanu Reeves (and at no. 4 right behind DDL ) but no Blanchett, no Streep, no PSH, no Bale, no Oldman, no Ralph Fiennes, no Crowe, no Amy Adams, no Cotillard, no Rachel Weisz, no Michelle Williams, no Rooney Mara. Are the people at NYT who decided on this list going to look me in the eye and tell me Keanu Reeves has been a better actor than all of those people over the past 20 years? Plus people they have behind him on the actual list like Viola Davis, Saoirse, Phoenix, Oscar Isaac, and Ali. All of whom are good placements, by the way, to not be 100% negative. On the one hand you can kind of laugh about this, but on the other, film criticism is dead, it's just about pandering to kids on Twitter. And that's a problem. I'm assuming most of us got into older movies by seeking out movies that were considered the best by critics. That lead to me watching Kubrick, Welles, Lynch, Tarkovsky, and Bergman, just to name a few. What happens when film critics just want to kiss their audiences ass and tell them about the greatness of movies they know they've already seen and liked? Who's going to go back and watch those movies? It already feels like a lot of Hollywood directors don't have any influences besides Spielberg and Star Wars. To address Denzel, I guess technically the subject of the thread, I'm not surprised, and I get it. But I think with him if you're ranking him no. 1 you're doing it on the basis of a small number of performances. A majority of his output in the 21st century has been genre and action hero stuff. I just don't care about that stuff when ranking all time greats and being prolific doesn't inherently matter to me either. The point being, if you're just going to base it on someone's 4-5 best performances I don't see how it's not DDL. The only argument against him is the small number of performances. Obviously, I'm not going to have any issue with Denzel being no.1 . But not everyone is neccesarily as snobby about genre or action material, especially when someone like Denzel elevates it with his presence. They pretty much state him being able to do all that action/genre stuff, then switch on a dime to heavyweight Oscar guzzling dramatics like Fences, Flight, American Gangster and Training Day , is what puts him over even someone like DDL. And frankly, he's given some brilliant, brilliant performances in action and genre material (ie Man On Fire). Denzel doesn't slum it in action films and phone in a performance. He gives his action stuff the same consideration and respect he would his theatre material or his Oscarbait stuff. It shows, and that is why he is always atop these kind of "greatest actor" lists, or near enough. He's a heavyweight thesp, a regular joe everyman AND a part-time action guy. Who is all those things to such a high degree? Certainly not DDL, brilliant as he may be. I've always said his ability to do that is a massive strength, and I'm obviously not alone in that thought process. I will take both the Denzel comments at once since I have similar things to say in regards to both posts. I have not seen The Equalizer II but I have seen plenty of his action movies. I wouldn't say I am "not impressed" he is good in the movies, it's just a kind of acting that I put a very low premium on when evaluating someone in an all time context. I wouldn't put John Wayne or Cary Grant anywhere near a best of all time list for example. Denzel doesn't fall into that category of course since he is also a good dramatic actor, I'm not saying he didn't belong on the list at all. Like I said in my post I "get it". That Ed Norton quote about him sums up the argument, he's probably the only person in history to 1. Be able to open big budget action movies 2. Win multiple Oscars and play the lead in mid budget prestige Oscar dramas 3. Be a classically trained stage actor who performed Shakespeare to great acclaim. I just don't put a high premium on #1 and to me the stage is a separate thing, it's a different medium, and I also don't live in NYC so I can't personally evaluate those performances. As  morton said, I don't really have a problem with the inclusion of Melissa McCarthy. She's a proven and exceptional comic actor, and her more dramatic work in Can You Ever Forgive was outstanding. She's someone who won't always get platinum opportunities because of her look/size (much like the great Kathy Bates), but honestly, she's a superb talent and I'm looking forward to see what she does in more material worthy of that talent (she's co-starring with Nicole Kidman in the Hulu limited series Nine Perfect Strangers, and I think she will likely be brilliant in stronger, serious material like this) Comedy is very much a subjective personal preference thing, but I've seen a few of her comedies and just have never found them at all funny. She is fine at drama, maybe she could carve out a niche for herself as a character actress like Kathy Bates, but she hasn't gotten some of the great parts Bates managed to get either.
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Post by fiosnasiob on Nov 25, 2020 21:17:01 GMT
I'll be the only one here, but even Denzel being number one is an issue here for me. DDL's 21st Century work is indisputably superior, I mean, come on: Gangs of New York There Will Be Blood Lincoln Phantom Thread He's the greatest. No, you aren't the only one here, faaar from it, don't worry I personally think that TWBB is the best performance of the 21st century but I think that his others (great) works are all overrated to various degree. I confortably put at least 3 Denzel's performances before any of them. But DDL due to his works ethics is very hard to assess to me anyway.
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Post by countjohn on Nov 25, 2020 21:19:40 GMT
I'll be the only one here, but even Denzel being number one is an issue here for me. You aren't the only one here who thinks that. At least two other people on this thread have said this already, though it appears the majority are fine with it and think Denzel is a deserving no.1. DDL is great as well. No.3 is a strong spot for him. But in their era, Denzel is probably going to go down as the GOAT. I would not say I have an "issue" with it. Like I said, I "get it" even if I don't agree. Another pretty questionable omission especially in light of some of the other people who made the list. They were more interested in hot takes than actually covering the bases here.
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Post by futuretrunks on Nov 25, 2020 21:22:16 GMT
How do you say with a straight face that Michael B. Jordan or Oscar Isaac have been greater actors this century than a figure like Ryan Gosling (who, like Denzel, is great in films of all genres and tones)? What's the purpose of swerving advocacy into outright mendaciousness? You can't make a list of the top 300 novels of all time and somehow omit Anna Karenina. You cannot make a list of the top 30 NFL quarterbacks of all time and not list Aaron Rodgers. What Dargis and Scott are doing is actually anti-intellectual in the extreme, and shows a total contempt for actual values. These people are puerile, they're not critics.
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 25, 2020 21:35:34 GMT
I'll be the only one here, but even Denzel being number one is an issue here for me. DDL's 21st Century work is indisputably superior, I mean, come on: Gangs of New York There Will Be Blood Lincoln Phantom Thread He's the greatest. Agreed........this is his 2010s below......I mean - love the guy......... but nah, I gave thumbs up to just 2 of these films......his 00s aren't much better - .......and I love just 2 of the performances (Flight, Fences).........it's just not enough for me. But he's a great star and important cultural figure so it's all good .....though to be honest the defense of Melissa McCarthy & Keanu Reeves is still more worrisome to me personally Book of Eli Unstoppable Safe House Flight 2 Guns Equalizer Magnificent 7 Fences Roman J. Israel,Esq. Equalizer 2
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