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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 24, 2020 16:08:08 GMT
"Transitioning away from oil" wasn't a slip-up, it's a popular policy move that most Americans support and that's already happening. I don't see the part in bold mentioned in the article? "Most Americans"? By 2050? In Texas in 2020? In Pa in 2020? Maybe but I'd doubt that tbh
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Post by Lord_Buscemi on Oct 24, 2020 16:18:34 GMT
Biden is basically Trump minus the oratory confidence and charisma, so it was priceless when he got called out for those empty "family round the kitchen table" platitudes. Complete nothing answers. what are you smoking dude. Bumbling, incompetent, old pedo rapist who has flipflopped his positions constantly, speaks in empty platitudes and dodges questions. Sounds similar. The only contrast is his timid personality. Of course, Biden isn't directly accountable for the deaths of over 200 thousand people which makes him a better option but his foreign policy is way more hawkish than Trump's so who knows what the future potentially holds.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Oct 24, 2020 17:08:55 GMT
"Transitioning away from oil" wasn't a slip-up, it's a popular policy move that most Americans support and that's already happening. I don't see the part in bold mentioned in the article? "Most Americans"? By 2050? In Texas in 2020? In Pa in 2020? Maybe but I'd doubt that tbh Texas already has a lot of commitments to sustainable energy. There's disagreement whether progression towards green energy should be propelled by the free market or by federal incentives but there's definitely interest there. One poll from a Texan conservative survey, another from a survey conducted by Yale. Obviously you're not going to find support in the most rural states but any that have competitive urban blocs (like in the midwest) this isn't an issue. Vast majority of rural districts in the midwest weren't going to support Biden anyways. The movie towards sustainable energy is popular with the demos Biden already has: urban and suburban voters, and he framed it positively as a way to grow jobs and grow the economy which is the right way to sell it. the Gallup rundown tells the same story: majority approval for more emphasis on wind & solar energy and less emphasis on oil & coal. On the question of proposals seeking to reduce greenhouse emissions by reducing use of fossil fuels, an overwhelming majority of 60% are strongly favored or favored, and only 36% oppose or strongly oppose.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Oct 24, 2020 17:16:46 GMT
Another gallup poll finding that 77% of respondents support development for alternative energy while 22% supported expansion of fossil fuels. Most Americans want this, including significant blocs of Republicans (esp. younger Republicans). It's honestly less controversial than same-sex marriage and abortion.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Oct 24, 2020 17:31:27 GMT
Bumbling, incompetent, old pedo rapist who has flipflopped his positions constantly, speaks in empty platitudes and dodges questions. Sounds similar. The only contrast is his timid personality. Pedo rapist? You spending too much time on 4chan my man? Where the hell are you getting that? Calling him bumbling and incompetent might fly until you make it relative to Trump, who can't speak in compete sentences or form coherent thoughts or talk for more than 30 seconds without going off on bizarre tangents. Meanwhile Biden overcame a stutter and has delivered some really impassioned speeches lately and came off pretty sharp in this last debate at times by shutting down Trump's attempts to detract from the issues with victim complexes and conspiracy theories. And personally I'll take someone who speaks in empty platitudes to someone who routinely engages in bullying and racist/xenophobic dogwhistling and exercises flagrantly narcissistic behavior while treating the office like a reality show. You don't have to like Biden but you're really bending over backwards here dude.
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Post by flasuss on Oct 24, 2020 17:39:29 GMT
Bumbling, incompetent, old pedo rapist who has flipflopped his positions constantly, speaks in empty platitudes and dodges questions. Sounds similar. The only contrast is his timid personality. Pedo rapist? You spending too much time on 4chan my man? Where the hell are you getting that? Calling him bumbling and incompetent might fly until you make it relative to Trump, who can't speak in compete sentences or form coherent thoughts or talk for more than 30 seconds without going off on bizarre tangents. Meanwhile Biden overcame a stutter and has delivered some really impassioned speeches lately and came off pretty sharp in this last debate at times by shutting down Trump's attempts to detract from the issues with victim complexes and conspiracy theories. And personally I'll take someone who speaks in empty platitudes to someone who routinely engages in bullying and racist/xenophobic dogwhistling and exercises flagrantly narcissistic behavior while treating the office like a reality show. You don't have to like Biden but you're really bending over backwards here dude. Again, Bernie Bro.
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 24, 2020 17:41:02 GMT
There's a Politico piece asking him to walk back on this today too - if it wasn't a gaffe - they wouldn't be asking for this, right?.....All I'm saying is he exhibits clear signs of Sundowners the longer he talks, consistently too, and I bet he wishes he didn't answer that way on Thursday at least. The polls you are sighting, while interesting - are also indicative to a general bias in how the question is asked - ask that same question in a negative light with economic concerns, overall costs, job losses, and put a 2050 timeframe on it and watch those numbers change........and in a tight state it could have been a dealbreaker. Like I said I don't think he's losing Pa so it's a non-factor politically in 2020 ..... in any other year it would be a greater gaffe........I don't think he's winning Texas but not because of this specifically and he will win overall without TX, it appears. It's a bit deceptive to say "it's less controversial than same sex marriage and abortion" which are civil rights issues and this a policy proposal issue - and in Texas and Pa - 2 states in play that he cared about here - the "National" consensus didn't really apply relative to the debate. www.politico.com/news/2020/10/23/biden-oil-pennsylvania-texas-432043
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Oct 24, 2020 17:59:42 GMT
Biden's been running a very safe campaign. I think any time he publicly comes out in support for anything traditionally seen as progressive policy instead of focusing his attention on how Trump has fucked everything up (which has been a surefire strategy), a lot of anxious democrats collectively hold their breaths. But here's the thing: thinking renewable energy is a particularly liberal policy position is old-hat and doesn't understand how the country has changed over the last 20 years. Climate change has been a growing concern in the electorate, particularly among younger voters, and that bloc is going to continue to grow (and it includes Republican millennials too btw--78% of them according to that second Gallop poll I linked). It would've been a much bigger gaffe to publicly support the green new deal for example, or reparations. Sustainable energy is not controversial.
Now, it's true that Biden didn't necessarily extend his lead in the Midwest with that line but I'm also hesitant to assume he gave up much ground if any either. Will be very interesting to watch the polls coming out of these states over the next week (also AZ). Especially in regards to the Senate races. I wonder how Theresa Greenfield in Iowa felt about that line for example...
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