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Post by mattfincher on Jun 24, 2020 20:54:30 GMT
Well?
Also which do you think will win?
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Post by mattfincher on Jun 24, 2020 21:00:48 GMT
The female list for this is much, much longer. I guess it helps two of the guys who would have been in this poll a few months ago are gone, but I'm surprised by how small/exclusive this club is. Anyways, I voted Harris. Gonna think about who I think will and won't win.
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Post by stephen on Jun 24, 2020 21:02:29 GMT
Harrelson and Harris, with Dafoe as a worthy contender after his impressive latter-day streak. Cruise would be high up there as well, and probably would be #1 if he didn't just focus on franchise work.
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Post by stephen on Jun 24, 2020 21:03:34 GMT
As for who I think will win an acting award someday, I think Cooper and Damon are likeliest, with Dafoe probably gearing up to win a supporting gong one of these days, and I can see Harrelson lucking out with the right material/campaign.
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Post by mattfincher on Jun 24, 2020 21:07:49 GMT
As for who I think will win an acting award someday, I think Cooper and Damon are likeliest, with Dafoe probably gearing up to win a supporting gong one of these days, and I can see Harrelson lucking out with the right material/campaign. I think Cooper's a lock. I'm less certain on Damon. I could see a Pitt-like supporting run, but I have a much harder time seeing him win in lead. I'm just not sure he's ever going to give a performance big or showy enough to be viewed as the best of its year by the industry. Especially the way the acting categories, especially lead, are leaning towards awarding showy acting/biopic performances, two things he rarely does. I'd actually at least 4 or 5 guys on this list as having better odds.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 24, 2020 21:07:58 GMT
You can legit call Willem Dafoe THE best actor of the 80s generation......not the biggest star.......but literally THE best actor. Now that's arguable (very arguable) but for this poll ....Dafoe.....who by the way is great in Abel Ferrara's Tomasso RIGHT NOW even.....
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jun 24, 2020 21:09:56 GMT
If we're talking "due" by industry standards and objectively, I think Cooper has a pretty good case and I could see him being the first of this group to snag a trophy.
But the best actor here is Dafoe so he gets my vote.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jun 24, 2020 21:11:01 GMT
Honestly....Damon should probably be an acting winner by now, if you base it on the strength of his career. He's done consistently strong and varied leading man work for 2 and a half decades. He's got the nice guy appeal of Tom Hanks, but with a shitload more dramatic range. His all-American midwestern vibe isn't the most exciting when compared to some of his peers, but I'd say he's our modern day William Holden.
The others either do primarly character/supporting work (which demands less than a lead) or have fallen off in a major way in terms of award calibre work, or simply haven't been in the game long enough (Cooper).
So yeah, Will Hunting.
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Post by stephen on Jun 24, 2020 21:14:38 GMT
As for who I think will win an acting award someday, I think Cooper and Damon are likeliest, with Dafoe probably gearing up to win a supporting gong one of these days, and I can see Harrelson lucking out with the right material/campaign. I think Cooper's a lock. I'm less certain on Damon. I could see a Pitt-like supporting run, but I have a much harder time seeing him win in lead. I'm just not sure he's ever going to give a performance big or showy enough to be viewed as the best of its year by the industry. Especially the way the acting categories, especially lead, are leaning towards awarding showy acting/biopic performances, two things he rarely does. I'd actually at least 4 or 5 guys on this list as having better odds. Yeah, unless Cooper winds up getting cancelled for something, he's probably destined to win. Although I think 2018 was one of my favorite awards seasons almost entirely because we watched a man seemingly locked for four nominations and at least one win wind up missing for Best Director even after he campaigned so hard for that particular award, and wound up losing Best Actor -- an award many of us thought was a given, considering they would've had to give him something as consolation -- to another musical performance. And to top it off, "Shallow" won and you'd think he would've tried to wangle a writing credit for that. I just think it's hilarious how he's nearly sitting at double-digit nominations already, and yet it seems no one really cares in the industry. But yeah, he's so hungry for it that it's probably going to happen at some point.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jun 24, 2020 21:19:29 GMT
As for who I think will win an acting award someday, I think Cooper and Damon are likeliest, with Dafoe probably gearing up to win a supporting gong one of these days, and I can see Harrelson lucking out with the right material/campaign. I think Cooper's a lock. I'm less certain on Damon. I could see a Pitt-like supporting run, but I have a much harder time seeing him win in lead. I'm just not sure he's ever going to give a performance big or showy enough to be viewed as the best of its year by the industry. Especially the way the acting categories, especially lead, are leaning towards awarding showy acting/biopic performances, two things he rarely does. I'd actually at least 4 or 5 guys on this list as having better odds. Damon can easily give a performance big enough to win lead. Things like Good Will Hunting and The Talented Mr Ripley were not in a low key. He was just too young and fit the slap the stud profile. Hell, I don't even think he needs to give a performance that stands out as overly big. It just needs to be in the right movie. Damon is such a consistent stalwart, that the moment the industry decided it's his "time", he will get pushed towards an acting Oscar, regardless of category, and win. And he's a much stronger leading man than Pitt, who does his best work in character roles. I think Damon will be percieved as more worthy of a lead win than Pitt, if the time comes.
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Post by thomasjerome on Jun 24, 2020 21:23:15 GMT
Dafoe who I consider to be the best actor on the list. The man has been consistently amazing for decades and he'd make a worthy winner in all four of his nominations. Harrelson is my runner-up. Nolte and Harris are not far behind.
As for who's gonna win next, I'm gonna say Bradley Cooper for obvious reasons. Maybe for "Bernstein", maybe for "Nightmare Alley". Dafoe is also in the latter one but I've heard his role isn't that meaty, but who knows. Ruffalo should also be taken more seriously here. Sure, "Dark Waters" was ignored but before than that, he got nominated every time he was in contention and he doesn't seem to be slowing down. Viggo is also on their radar recently but his career is unpredictable; if he gets to be in another BP contender, maybe but I have a feeling like even though he's collaborating with Farrelly again, he'll mostly stick to those smaller films he usually do.
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Post by mattfincher on Jun 24, 2020 21:26:06 GMT
I think Cooper's a lock. I'm less certain on Damon. I could see a Pitt-like supporting run, but I have a much harder time seeing him win in lead. I'm just not sure he's ever going to give a performance big or showy enough to be viewed as the best of its year by the industry. Especially the way the acting categories, especially lead, are leaning towards awarding showy acting/biopic performances, two things he rarely does. I'd actually at least 4 or 5 guys on this list as having better odds. Damon can easily give a performance big enough to win lead. Things like Good Will Hunting and The Talented Mr Ripley were not in a low key. He was just too young and fit the slap the stud profile. Hell, I don't even think he needs to give a performance that stands out as overly big. It just needs to be in the right movie. Damon is such a consistent stalwart, that the moment the industry decided it's his "time", he will get pushed towards an acting Oscar, regardless of category, and win. And he's a much stronger leading man than Pitt, who does his best work in character roles. I think Damon will be percieved as more worthy of a lead win than Pitt, if the time comes. Will Hunting and Tom Ripley may be big, but they aren't winning roles no matter one's age, c'mon man. And he's increasingly evolved into a more subtle actor. I can't name one single performance he's given that would be comparable to any lead (or for that matter, supporting) Oscar winning performance. It may happen eventually, but it hasn't yet. How can you even be sure how much he's revered in the industry? His two-post Good Will Hunting nominations came in two of the most barren fields in recent memory.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Jun 24, 2020 21:30:52 GMT
Damon can easily give a performance big enough to win lead. Things like Good Will Hunting and The Talented Mr Ripley were not in a low key. He was just too young and fit the slap the stud profile. Hell, I don't even think he needs to give a performance that stands out as overly big. It just needs to be in the right movie. Damon is such a consistent stalwart, that the moment the industry decided it's his "time", he will get pushed towards an acting Oscar, regardless of category, and win. And he's a much stronger leading man than Pitt, who does his best work in character roles. I think Damon will be percieved as more worthy of a lead win than Pitt, if the time comes. Will Hunting and Tom Ripley may be big, but they aren't winning roles no matter one's age, c'mon man. And he's increasingly evolved into a more subtle actor. I can't name one single performance he's given that would be comparable to any lead (or for that matter, supporting) Oscar winning performance. It may happen eventually, but it hasn't yet. Just to chime in, I definitely think Will Hunting fits the mold for a winning role and probably could have win if Damon had broken through earlier. With that said, he hasn't had a role as baity or acclaimed since, so I'm not entirely sure how due he is seen, especially since his writing win is widely known.
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Post by stephen on Jun 24, 2020 21:41:36 GMT
Will Hunting and Tom Ripley may be big, but they aren't winning roles no matter one's age, c'mon man. And he's increasingly evolved into a more subtle actor. I can't name one single performance he's given that would be comparable to any lead (or for that matter, supporting) Oscar winning performance. It may happen eventually, but it hasn't yet. Just to chime in, I definitely think Will Hunting fits the mold for a winning role and probably could have win if Damon had broken through earlier. With that said, he hasn't had a role as baity or acclaimed since, so I'm not entirely sure how due he is seen, especially since his writing win is widely known. Indeed. Damon was a complete newbie before that and yet that was a star-making role that immediately made him an A-list sensation. There's probably something to the idea that his win for writing was almost guaranteed because he wasn't going to have a shot against the legends he was up against that year, but if he'd had a few years under his belt (or, let's say, had a DiCaprio-like nomination early on in his career), he might've been able to eke out a victory.
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Post by countjohn on Jun 24, 2020 21:41:37 GMT
Ed Norton would have been a worthy winner for all three of his noms and deserves extra ones.
Cruise and Beatty are probably my runner ups.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jun 24, 2020 21:42:37 GMT
Damon can easily give a performance big enough to win lead. Things like Good Will Hunting and The Talented Mr Ripley were not in a low key. He was just too young and fit the slap the stud profile. Hell, I don't even think he needs to give a performance that stands out as overly big. It just needs to be in the right movie. Damon is such a consistent stalwart, that the moment the industry decided it's his "time", he will get pushed towards an acting Oscar, regardless of category, and win. And he's a much stronger leading man than Pitt, who does his best work in character roles. I think Damon will be percieved as more worthy of a lead win than Pitt, if the time comes. Will Hunting and Tom Ripley may be big, but they aren't winning roles no matter one's age, c'mon man. And he's increasingly evolved into a more subtle actor. I can't name one single performance he's given that would be comparable to any lead (or for that matter, supporting) Oscar winning performance. It may happen eventually, but it hasn't yet. I wasn't suggesting they were winning roles (obviously, as he wasn't even nominated for Ripley). Though Will Hunting might be if he wasn't new to the scene. I was suggesting he can give performances big enough to win lead in the right role, but would never have stood a chance in his younger days. Damon still gives outsized performances. The Informant was not subtle. His work in Behind The Candelebra was skilled, but definitely not subtle. Even The Martian was not subtle. The guy gives big, skillfull movie star performances all the time. It's just that his film selection can be hit and miss. Surburbicon and Downsizing were both kinda disasters (in the same year no less) that he wrongly probably thought be be big awards season contenders for him. And Damon gives performances more obviously likely to be seen as Best Actor winners all the time than Casey Affleck's incredibly low key work in Manchester By The Sea. A peformance Damon could have executed in his sleep. The right movie/role at the right time, and I think Damon could ride an easy wave of industry goodwill to a lead actor win.
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Post by countjohn on Jun 24, 2020 21:43:47 GMT
Damon can easily give a performance big enough to win lead. Things like Good Will Hunting and The Talented Mr Ripley were not in a low key. He was just too young and fit the slap the stud profile. Hell, I don't even think he needs to give a performance that stands out as overly big. It just needs to be in the right movie. Damon is such a consistent stalwart, that the moment the industry decided it's his "time", he will get pushed towards an acting Oscar, regardless of category, and win. And he's a much stronger leading man than Pitt, who does his best work in character roles. I think Damon will be percieved as more worthy of a lead win than Pitt, if the time comes. Will Hunting and Tom Ripley may be big, but they aren't winning roles no matter one's age, c'mon man. And he's increasingly evolved into a more subtle actor. I can't name one single performance he's given that would be comparable to any lead (or for that matter, supporting) Oscar winning performance. It may happen eventually, but it hasn't yet. How can you even be sure how much he's revered in the industry? His two-post Good Will Hunting nominations came in two of the most barren fields in recent memory. I like Damon more than some on here and think he deserves a couple more nods than he has but I don't ever give him a win.
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Post by mattfincher on Jun 24, 2020 21:45:00 GMT
Will Hunting and Tom Ripley may be big, but they aren't winning roles no matter one's age, c'mon man. And he's increasingly evolved into a more subtle actor. I can't name one single performance he's given that would be comparable to any lead (or for that matter, supporting) Oscar winning performance. It may happen eventually, but it hasn't yet. Just to chime in, I definitely think Will Hunting fits the mold for a winning role and probably could have win if Damon had broken through earlier. With that said, he hasn't had a role as baity or acclaimed since, so I'm not entirely sure how due he is seen, especially since his writing win is widely known. Eh, maybe. But he wasn't taken seriously to win that category based on the archives I read from the time and was generally considered to be 4th or 5th so I don't know if he suddenly would have became the frontrunner if he were famous already. The likely writing win may have proven mitigating to his chances, obviously. I guess my point is it's still his most acclaimed/loved performance and his two subsequent nominations came in dead categories. And as you said, it's not like his writing win is perceived as anonymous by many like say, Michael Douglas or Brad Pitt. He's never been a critics or snob favorite, either (look at McConaughey winning New York Film Critics and National Society of Film Critics awards the year before his Oscar sweep or Pitt being a New York Film Critics winner and two-time National Society of Film Critics winner) so I think it's kind of difficult perceive his dueness and that was my main point of contention.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jun 24, 2020 21:49:16 GMT
Will Hunting and Tom Ripley may be big, but they aren't winning roles no matter one's age, c'mon man. And he's increasingly evolved into a more subtle actor. I can't name one single performance he's given that would be comparable to any lead (or for that matter, supporting) Oscar winning performance. It may happen eventually, but it hasn't yet. How can you even be sure how much he's revered in the industry? His two-post Good Will Hunting nominations came in two of the most barren fields in recent memory. I like Damon more than some on here and think he deserves a couple more nods than he has but I don't ever give him a win. Well I don't give Jeff Bridges a win either, but like Damon, I feel his overall career as a leading man that did consistently challenging work on balance might make a win very easy to swallow.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jun 24, 2020 22:08:59 GMT
To me, Damon is no less skilled a leading man than Leonardo DiCaprio. I actually thought Damon gave a far better performance than DiCaprio in The Departed.
The main difference betwen them is Leo rarely misses with his film selections, and that puts him in contention all the time. And it gives him a more elevated reputation than Damon. Damon will drop one great film, then end up in two consecutive failed Oscarbaits that nobody remembers. His own performance though is rarely the issue why those films of his don't work.
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Post by mattfincher on Jun 24, 2020 22:28:43 GMT
To me, Damon is no less skilled a leading man than Leonardo DiCaprio. I actually thought Damon gave a far better performance than DiCaprio in The Departed.The main difference betwen them is Leo rarely misses with his film selections, and that puts him in contention all the time. And it gives him a more elevated reputation than Damon. Damon will drop one great film, then end up in two consecutive failed Oscarbaits that nobody remembers. His own performance though is rarely the issue why those films of his don't work. I mean, you keep dropping minority opinions or ones you just can't prove. Every time Damon is a co-lead with a comparably aged star, the other guy seems to get the attention (Clooney in Syriana, Law in Mr. Ripley, DiCaprio or even Wahlberg in The Departed or Bale in Ford v Ferrari). Hell, even look at Behind the Candelabra with someone older. I mean, I know it's a small sample size, but I was looking through this forum's awards and Damon hasn't been nominated for a single performance by this place dating back to 2005 so far and that's with seven nominees. I just don't know how you can be certain he's viewed by the industry as you think he is when his two nominations in Good Will Hunting came in dead categories and whenever he goes head-to-head with a contemporary in a prestige picture, the other guy gets the attention.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jun 24, 2020 22:32:54 GMT
To me, Damon is no less skilled a leading man than Leonardo DiCaprio. I actually thought Damon gave a far better performance than DiCaprio in The Departed.The main difference betwen them is Leo rarely misses with his film selections, and that puts him in contention all the time. And it gives him a more elevated reputation than Damon. Damon will drop one great film, then end up in two consecutive failed Oscarbaits that nobody remembers. His own performance though is rarely the issue why those films of his don't work. I mean, you keep dropping minority opinions. Every time Damon is a co-lead with a comparably aged star, the other guy seems to get the attention (Clooney in Syriana, Law in Mr. Ripley, DiCaprio or even Wahlberg in The Departed or Bale in Ford v Ferrari). Hell, even look at Behind the Candelabra with someone older. I mean, I know it's a small sample size, but I was looking through this forum's awards and Damon hasn't been nominated for a single performance by this place dating back to 2005 so far and that's with seven nominees. I just don't know how you can be certain he's viewed by the industry as you think he is when his two nominations in Good Will Hunting came in dead categories and whenever he goes head-to-head with a contemporary in a prestige picture, the other guy gets the attention. I didn't realise I was obligated to drop majority opinions.Dude, I'm giving My Opinion. No one else's You are not being forced with a gun to your head to agree with me, so don't be so defensive when I don't agree with your position, or dispute your own opinions. It's all opinions at the end of the day.
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Post by mattfincher on Jun 24, 2020 22:34:41 GMT
I mean, you keep dropping minority opinions. Every time Damon is a co-lead with a comparably aged star, the other guy seems to get the attention (Clooney in Syriana, Law in Mr. Ripley, DiCaprio or even Wahlberg in The Departed or Bale in Ford v Ferrari). Hell, even look at Behind the Candelabra with someone older. I mean, I know it's a small sample size, but I was looking through this forum's awards and Damon hasn't been nominated for a single performance by this place dating back to 2005 so far and that's with seven nominees. I just don't know how you can be certain he's viewed by the industry as you think he is when his two nominations in Good Will Hunting came in dead categories and whenever he goes head-to-head with a contemporary in a prestige picture, the other guy gets the attention. I didn't realise I was obligated to drop majority opinions.Dude, I'm giving My Opinion. No one else's You are not being forced with a gun to your head to agree with me, so don't be so defensive when I don't agree with your position. It's all opinions at the end of the day. Well, you keep saying you think that an overdue narrative will form for him when he has the chance and as far as I can tell, you haven't actually proven why that would be. Which is why I'm testing your stance, which is what a forum is for.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jun 24, 2020 22:37:43 GMT
I didn't realise I was obligated to drop majority opinions.Dude, I'm giving My Opinion. No one else's You are not being forced with a gun to your head to agree with me, so don't be so defensive when I don't agree with your position. It's all opinions at the end of the day. Well, you keep saying you think that an overdue narrative will form for him when he has the chance and as far as I can tell, you haven't actually proven why that would be. Which is why I'm testing your stance, which is what a forum is for. How can I prove ( or you disprove) that an overdue narrative will or won't form around Damon? This is getting silly now. Agree to disagree and let's move on shall we.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Jun 24, 2020 22:44:39 GMT
The Green Goblin
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