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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2020 1:25:26 GMT
Some reasonable responses that are in no way sociopathic here. Saying "cool story" about a rape allegation is abso-fucking-lutely a kinda sociopathic comment.
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Post by atn on May 12, 2020 1:27:03 GMT
watching the extreme mental gymnastics people are going through to justify voting for a rapist is entertaining BUT the point of this thread was to apologize directly to ME start groveling people I’m sorry, I don’t know who you are. Nor I, you, yet you follow me on Letterboxd
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on May 12, 2020 1:38:08 GMT
Some reasonable responses that are in no way sociopathic here. Saying "cool story" about a rape allegation is abso-fucking-lutely a kinda sociopathic comment. We’re doing that with either option, honestly. And even saying “well, I won’t vote for either side” isn’t good either. As much as I don’t like Biden... I’d rather pick the lesser of two evils, over a man who lacks any and all basic human empathy and grasp on reality outside of his privileged bubble.
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Post by urbanpatrician on May 12, 2020 2:15:35 GMT
Saying "cool story" about a rape allegation is abso-fucking-lutely a kinda sociopathic comment. We’re doing that with either option, honestly. And even saying “well, I won’t vote for either side” isn’t good either. As much as I don’t like Biden... I’d rather pick the lesser of two evils, over a man who lacks any and all basic human empathy and grasp on reality outside of his privileged bubble. Very lazy take.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on May 12, 2020 2:22:08 GMT
We’re doing that with either option, honestly. And even saying “well, I won’t vote for either side” isn’t good either. As much as I don’t like Biden... I’d rather pick the lesser of two evils, over a man who lacks any and all basic human empathy and grasp on reality outside of his privileged bubble. Very lazy take. Lazy sense over creative apathy.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on May 12, 2020 2:29:15 GMT
Some reasonable responses that are in no way sociopathic here. Saying "cool story" about a rape allegation is abso-fucking-lutely a kinda sociopathic comment. I think you missed the point. My comment was about straight up calling Biden a rapist, not the allegation itself. I’m all for due process and any and all investigation into the matter. But at this point the evidence does not support the accusation. This is not equal playing field as Trump who has 25 women making allegations, and any other thing about Biden is about creepy hugging or kisses on the head. Not saying that those are appropriate, but they are not sexual assault. So excuse me if I think it’s bs to label Biden as a 100% rapist.
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Post by atn on May 12, 2020 2:29:18 GMT
Very lazy take. Lazy sense over creative apathy. What’s sensible is apologizing to me 💅🏻
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Post by atn on May 12, 2020 2:29:55 GMT
Saying "cool story" about a rape allegation is abso-fucking-lutely a kinda sociopathic comment. I think you missed the point. My comment was about straight up calling Biden a rapist, not the allegation itself. I’m all for due process and any and all investigation into the matter. But at this point the evidence does not support the accusation. This is not equal playing field as Trump who has 25 women making allegations, and any other thing about Biden is about creepy hugging or kisses on the head. Not saying that those are appropriate, but they are not sexual assault. So excuse me if I think it’s bs to label Biden as a 100% rapist. Biden is a 100% rapist
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on May 12, 2020 2:30:47 GMT
I think you missed the point. My comment was about straight up calling Biden a rapist, not the allegation itself. I’m all for due process and any and all investigation into the matter. But at this point the evidence does not support the accusation. This is not equal playing field as Trump who has 25 women making allegations, and any other thing about Biden is about creepy hugging or kisses on the head. Not saying that those are appropriate, but they are not sexual assault. So excuse me if I think it’s bs to label Biden as a 100% rapist. Biden is a 100% rapist Cool story, bro.
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Post by atn on May 12, 2020 2:54:01 GMT
Stay mad 💅🏻 I’m not the one publicly defending a rapist
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Post by Film Socialism on May 12, 2020 4:46:26 GMT
trump and biden are both (probably) rapists. neither of them have had a due process in court and yet here we are, still looking at the available evidence and judging it on our own terms which is not a full-on legal process. does anyone on this board sincerely even think biden is a rapist and trump isn't?
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Post by no on May 12, 2020 6:26:38 GMT
vote for whatever party you think will do the country best not for whatever rapist rapes less or don't vote lol not like it matters anyway
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Post by Joaquim on May 12, 2020 15:20:45 GMT
Saying "cool story" about a rape allegation is abso-fucking-lutely a kinda sociopathic comment. We’re doing that with either option, honestly. And even saying “well, I won’t vote for either side” isn’t good either. As much as I don’t like Biden... I’d rather pick the lesser of two evils, over a man who lacks any and all basic human empathy and grasp on reality outside of his privileged bubble. BIDEN AND TRUMP ARE NOT THE ONLY TWO OPTIONS
Justin Amash is not a rapist
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Post by Film Socialism on May 12, 2020 16:06:45 GMT
1 more point here... not wanting to vote for either frontrunner because they are senile rapists is not apathy. apathy is probably closer to saying fuck it and voting for what you consider to be the lesser evil between them. people who are upset about this issue are genuinely upset to the point of where they aren't going to vote in an election for either of the two candidates that have an actual chance to win, how is that apathy lmfao
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Post by tobias on May 12, 2020 16:52:22 GMT
@all - The noise about the sexual assault allegations is hypocritical as it was always clear that a guy like Biden has an oldschool patriarchal attitude to woman that alligns perfectly with it, I'm not from the US but even I take stories like this for granted... though I have to admit I can't but be a bit gleefull about the neoliberal democratic establishment collapsing under the detached castle in the sky they build themselves amidst infighting over a man who had nothing to say in the first place and will soon be too senile to say anything at all. Straight outta a surreal movie.
But this is all bread and games of course. The real tragedy at hand is that it is not clear which of the 2 options at hand is more damaging to the socio-economical realities in the USA and the world today. If it were about taking a principled stand you should scheme to topple the government... But politics is not about principles, principles are for middle-aged men to reinforce their vaning masculinity. The terrible fate of the USA is that from a purely pragmatic view both options are so devastatingly bad that it's hard to distinguish. I could not say who is more likely to start another war par example and I can not say which choice will lead to a more promising socio-economic reality in 2030. It seems almost certain that if Biden is elected he will mostly stall (not even undoing Trump's tax cuts) untill an even worse Republican will be elected in 2024 (as far as Republicans go Trump is brazen and careless but not as many of the Republican alternatives). Whereas if Trump is re-elected there's a fair chance of a better option the next time and the democrats will probably get a boost in the senate and house. So effectively Trump will probably turn into a lame-duck and stall too.
My verdict would be to wait for Biden's VP pick. He is too old and senile and could even die in office. Like Trump's government his government will be a government of advisors. If he surrounds himself with a couple of half-decent advisors, he's worth voting for, if he doesn't, Trump is probably the more promising way to stall the country.
It's funny that this is the reverse conclusion from 2016 when I would have advocated for Miss Clinton but the Democrats really have done a terrible job in the last 4 years. But then again, I don't know if this conversation is even worth having. In November the US will be in a recession so deep that an incumbent republican staying in office would be kind of a miracle. "So all hail Biden, may he conquer many worlds!" or however the saying goes in Murica.
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Post by tobias on May 12, 2020 17:15:22 GMT
1 more point here... not wanting to vote for either frontrunner because they are senile rapists is not apathy. Basing your voting choice on people's sexual assaults is of course apathy as it buys into the neoliberal fetish of the celebrity. Neither Trump nor Biden are interesting individuals. They have nothing to say, they don't matter. If they raped someone the courts should take care of that. Concious citizens should grow the fuck up and think about a way to stop their country from falling apart on all ends instead of reading smack about celebrities. Sometimes I feel like the people of the USA fundamentally have more empathy for circus attractions than humans...
if we follow this fetish to it's end Hitler is more commendable than Marx because he was a sexual recluse, while Marx impregnated his aristocratic wife's maid and never financially supported the child.
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Post by quetee on May 12, 2020 18:01:01 GMT
Saying "cool story" about a rape allegation is abso-fucking-lutely a kinda sociopathic comment. I think you missed the point. My comment was about straight up calling Biden a rapist, not the allegation itself. I’m all for due process and any and all investigation into the matter. But at this point the evidence does not support the accusation. This is not equal playing field as Trump who has 25 women making allegations, and any other thing about Biden is about creepy hugging or kisses on the head. Not saying that those are appropriate, but they are not sexual assault. So excuse me if I think it’s bs to label Biden as a 100% rapist. There's no doubt that Biden is too touchy feely. I've come across a few of those guys in my workplace and I never said anything to them because it was easier to just deal with them for one second and move on. Was that the right decision? Who knows, but that was the extent of it. I did though happen to have to tell one person verbally to knock it off because I thought he went too far with the comments. As for this Tara Reade, well, she would be more believable if her story didn't change and if she didn't lie about other things like contacting Elizabeth Warren's office and Kamala Harris' office to complain about Joe Biden's behavior. Those two reported she never said anything to them even though she insisted that she contacted them multiple times. There should be a paper trail and there wasn't one.
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Post by quetee on May 12, 2020 18:05:58 GMT
I understand that point and I agree with it. I read Tara Reade's court documents and it stated that her husband said that she said someone in Joe Biden's office sexually assualted her. If it was actually Joe Biden, you would have pointed the finger to him rather than being so general. That's a pretty weak thesis, don't you think? It is well known that people who've experienced sexual assault, even those who tell someone of their assault, may be skittish about outright naming the perpetrator. Why wouldn't that also be the case when the perpetrator in question is a well-known and high-ranking Senator? This isn't a hole in her case, it's completely consistent with everything we know about reports of sexual assault and to assume it is a hole because it's not exactly what you (hypothetically, because none of us are 100% consistent with our own self-image) would have done is the same kind of deflecting and minimizing we used to criticize the right about. No, I don't think. And why is it that anytime someone questions a person's accusation they are always deflecting? IMHO, see what I did there... Tara Reade tells some guy she was dating at the time someone who had no connections to where she worked that someone at Joe Biden's office committed sexual harassment against her and rather than name the big boss she generalizes? That makes no sense. She had nothing to lose by telling him it was Joe Biden. Now had it been her workplace then of course I can see if she didn't want to name Joe because she would be afraid of the fallout.
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Post by quetee on May 12, 2020 18:12:12 GMT
@all - The noise about the sexual assault allegations is hypocritical as it was always clear that a guy like Biden has an oldschool patriarchal attitude to woman that alligns perfectly with it, I'm not from the US but even I take stories like this for granted... though I have to admit I can't but be a bit gleefull about the neoliberal democratic establishment collapsing under the detached castle in the sky they build themselves amidst infighting over a man who had nothing to say in the first place and will soon be too senile to say anything at all. Straight outta a surreal movie. But this is all bread and games of course. The real tragedy at hand is that it is not clear which of the 2 options at hand is more damaging to the socio-economical realities in the USA and the world today. If it were about taking a principled stand you should scheme to topple the government... But politics is not about principles, principles are for middle-aged men to reinforce their vaning masculinity. The terrible fate of the USA is that from a purely pragmatic view both options are so devastatingly bad that it's hard to distinguish. I could not say who is more likely to start another war par example and I can not say which choice will lead to a more promising socio-economic reality in 2030. It seems almost certain that if Biden is elected he will mostly stall (not even undoing Trump's tax cuts) untill an even worse Republican will be elected in 2024 (as far as Republicans go Trump is brazen and careless but not as many of the Republican alternatives). Whereas if Trump is re-elected there's a fair chance of a better option the next time and the democrats will probably get a boost in the senate and house. So effectively Trump will probably turn into a lame-duck and stall too. My verdict would be to wait for Biden's VP pick. He is too old and senile and could even die in office. Like Trump's government his government will be a government of advisors. If he surrounds himself with a couple of half-decent advisors, he's worth voting for, if he doesn't, Trump is probably the more promising way to stall the country. It's funny that this is the reverse conclusion from 2016 when I would have advocated for Miss Clinton but the Democrats really have done a terrible job in the last 4 years. But then again, I don't know if this conversation is even worth having. In November the US will be in a recession so deep that an incumbent republican staying in office would be kind of a miracle. "So all hail Biden, may he conquer many worlds!" or however the saying goes in Murica. This whole entire thing will rest on Biden's VP pick. How in the heck did Biden manage to get vetted by Obama's team at the time? Obama was going to pick John Edwards and then that whole scandal broke and Obama was given the heads up about it. But his team failed to find evidence of Joe Biden's sexual assault even though his name is listed in court documents? I find this hard to believe. People need to stop pointing fingers at people and look at the evidence and what makes sense. Dr Fauci was accused of sexual assault also and now she is saying that some republicans that she knew paid her to do it.
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Post by Film Socialism on May 12, 2020 18:20:40 GMT
1 more point here... not wanting to vote for either frontrunner because they are senile rapists is not apathy. Basing your voting choice on people's sexual assaults is of course apathy as it buys into the neoliberal fetish of the celebrity. Neither Trump nor Biden are interesting individuals. They have nothing to say, they don't matter. If they raped someone the courts should take care of that. Concious citizens should grow the fuck up and think about a way to stop their country from falling apart on all ends instead of reading smack about celebrities. Sometimes I feel like the people of the USA fundamentally have more empathy for circus attractions than humans...
if we follow this fetish to it's end Hitler is more commendable than Marx because he was a sexual recluse, while Marx impregnated his aristocratic wife's maid and never financially supported the child.
i think there's a difference between the fetish commodity brought on by celebrity culture and the phenomenon you're speaking of, though i will agree insofar as i would have told people not to vote for biden or trump even assuming they had no rape allegations against them. so i think you have a point here: these dudes have done way more openly heinous shit in public than what they probably have done in private, and using rape as a single-issue reason not to vote for them is perhaps silly when they're both horrible politicians. i think how someone conducts themselves when given power is okay as a litmus test though; i would not want to go down the slippery slope you're mentioning though there are things you can glean from the comparison (was marxism ill-equipped to deal with feminist goals? are they two distinct ideologies, or are they compatible? was this a personal issue on marx himself or an indictment of the ideology? etc.) americans by and large cannot stop their country from falling apart and having to pick between biden and trump is indicative of that
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Post by IceTruckDexter on May 12, 2020 20:55:50 GMT
Imagine not being annoyed by this. The best active political system in the world produced two rapists, possibly child rapists. at least we can make fun of the UK for having unelected PMs for months along with still having royalty around America also has a system like that if the president resigns or dies.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on May 12, 2020 20:56:41 GMT
I still don't really know what neo-liberal is.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on May 12, 2020 20:59:26 GMT
It’s the hypocrisy that’s massively annoying. Especially when one side acts like they’re morally superior than the other side on said issue. More than anything it's emblematic of how cancerous Trump has been for American politics/culture. Going high when they go low has not been possible these last four years because Trump and the GOP have been so irreparably toxic, corrupt and incompetent that it's understandably left the entire left shaken and desperate. You can't converse with someone who picks and chooses their own facts or willfully scorns expert/scientific testimony (this pandemic is only the most recent example of how that kind of endemic blanket scorn costs lives; there's also climate change denial and Trump has been named the worst president for the environment of all time). The walls of information (and misinformation) have created gigantic echo chambers and probably permanently divided most of America along that ideological line. There's no way forward except to oust him, and even then the effects of his administration will likely be felt for decades and decades to come. He changed our political and social reality to the point that lefitsts and rightists now live in alternate worlds--one with facts and one with fake facts, xenophobia, conspiracy theories, blanket distrust of science and academia, and a veneration for a dangerously delusional strongman. Those on the left too proud and faux-principled to do their part to vote him out of office are presumably privileged enough to justify their pickiness on either blissful ignorance, laissez-faire precious idealism, or just contrarian bitterness. That the dems chose Biden is regrettable but choosing the lesser of two evils will always be the morally superior option (and everyone will be making a choice this November whether they show up at the polls or not). Translation: You have no principles.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on May 12, 2020 21:09:57 GMT
I mean people straight up calling Biden a rapist is disturbing. Biden is a rapist Maybe I'm missing something but has that been proven?
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Post by atn on May 12, 2020 21:11:20 GMT
Maybe I'm missing something but has that been proven? Be more obtuse This thread is clearly beyond your grasp
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