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Post by atn on May 9, 2020 10:22:04 GMT
I’d like some mea culpas and honest personal apologies (you owe them to me) for the *squints* 21 pages of russiagate hysteria that y’all wasted everyone’s time with
Impeachment was another absolute winner
Oh and how could I forget Kavanaugh
Not to mention the wonderful new rapist you’re apparently running
Maybe — just maybe — you could admit you’re wrong? Take a few election cycles off, that’d be great. Your politics fucking suck
Call me when the Democrats start caring about the working class again if you want my vote
I look forward to accepting apologies in this thread or by PM
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Post by atn on May 9, 2020 10:32:07 GMT
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Post by Film Socialism on May 9, 2020 15:43:05 GMT
mfs still stuck in 2016
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Post by Joaquim on May 9, 2020 19:20:26 GMT
“I would vote for Biden even if he raped me simply because he is not Trump”. “#MeToo”
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Post by quetee on May 9, 2020 22:05:18 GMT
I'm confused. You're annoyed cause the dems are advocating for a rapist when the current president is also known as a rapist?
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Post by atn on May 9, 2020 22:28:30 GMT
I'm confused. You're annoyed cause the dems are advocating for a rapist when the current president is also known as a rapist? Yes How is this hard
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Post by Joaquim on May 9, 2020 22:34:34 GMT
I'm confused. You're annoyed cause the dems are advocating for a rapist when the current president is also known as a rapist? Imagine not being annoyed by this. The best active political system in the world produced two rapists, possibly child rapists.
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Post by Film Socialism on May 9, 2020 22:35:46 GMT
I'm confused. You're annoyed cause the dems are advocating for a rapist when the current president is also known as a rapist? Imagine not being annoyed by this. The best active political system in the world produced two rapists, possibly child rapists. at least we can make fun of the UK for having unelected PMs for months along with still having royalty around
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Post by dazed on May 10, 2020 1:35:22 GMT
I'm confused. You're annoyed cause the dems are advocating for a rapist when the current president is also known as a rapist? It’s the hypocrisy that’s massively annoying. Especially when one side acts like they’re morally superior than the other side on said issue.
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Post by countjohn on May 10, 2020 3:29:45 GMT
I'm confused. You're annoyed cause the dems are advocating for a rapist when the current president is also known as a rapist? Imagine not being annoyed by this. The best active political system in the world produced two rapists, possibly child rapists. That's not what annoys some of the people in this thread, though. Just Biden. I'm confused. You're annoyed cause the dems are advocating for a rapist when the current president is also known as a rapist? It’s the hypocrisy that’s massively annoying. Especially when one side acts like they’re morally superior than the other side on said issue. The right's sales pitch for a while now has basically boiled down to "at least we don't even claim to do the right thing".
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on May 10, 2020 3:54:20 GMT
I'm confused. You're annoyed cause the dems are advocating for a rapist when the current president is also known as a rapist? It’s the hypocrisy that’s massively annoying. Especially when one side acts like they’re morally superior than the other side on said issue. More than anything it's emblematic of how cancerous Trump has been for American politics/culture. Going high when they go low has not been possible these last four years because Trump and the GOP have been so irreparably toxic, corrupt and incompetent that it's understandably left the entire left shaken and desperate. You can't converse with someone who picks and chooses their own facts or willfully scorns expert/scientific testimony (this pandemic is only the most recent example of how that kind of endemic blanket scorn costs lives; there's also climate change denial and Trump has been named the worst president for the environment of all time). The walls of information (and misinformation) have created gigantic echo chambers and probably permanently divided most of America along that ideological line. There's no way forward except to oust him, and even then the effects of his administration will likely be felt for decades and decades to come. He changed our political and social reality to the point that lefitsts and rightists now live in alternate worlds--one with facts and one with fake facts, xenophobia, conspiracy theories, blanket distrust of science and academia, and a veneration for a dangerously delusional strongman. Those on the left too proud and faux-principled to do their part to vote him out of office are presumably privileged enough to justify their pickiness on either blissful ignorance, laissez-faire precious idealism, or just contrarian bitterness. That the dems chose Biden is regrettable but choosing the lesser of two evils will always be the morally superior option (and everyone will be making a choice this November whether they show up at the polls or not).
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Post by urbanpatrician on May 10, 2020 4:25:17 GMT
Trump has been an improvement from Obama, but overall I wouldn't say he's been that great a President. He's been very consistent and nothing overall bad has occurred, that I'll give him. Covid-19 aside, which nobody could possibly equate to being his fault, he's done just about what I expected.... keep this country safe and liveable. Although has not transformed it, or changed it that much. He also did a good job exposing the hypocrisy of the previous administration, and lots of people voted for him on that basis alone... they were sick and tired of being fed the same tiresome garbage from the Obama administration that was not going to materialize. In addition, getting rid of the sunshine pumpers from the previous generation who thinks the Obama administration is some golden era of American life. Does the 70s exist for you? Remember the peace and prosperity of the 80s? And the spirited 90? Dude, please. As for Biden being a molestor, shouldn't be a surprise given that that seems congruent to the types of recent candidates that have ran through this party with the most recent example being Bill Clinton - though not that it matters. The race is already over. Give up this dream of trying to replace Trump, holding onto any possible life you can try to dream up, because it's not gonna happen. I look forward to a very strong era of America 2021-2023.
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Post by atn on May 10, 2020 4:52:09 GMT
Weird I still don’t see any apologies???
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Post by cherry68 on May 10, 2020 8:11:29 GMT
Weird I still don’t see any apologies???
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Post by Martin Stett on May 10, 2020 11:51:24 GMT
It’s the hypocrisy that’s massively annoying. Especially when one side acts like they’re morally superior than the other side on said issue. More than anything it's emblematic of how cancerous Trump has been for American politics/culture. Going high when they go low has not been possible these last four years because Trump and the GOP have been so irreparably toxic, corrupt and incompetent that it's understandably left the entire left shaken and desperate. You can't converse with someone who picks and chooses their own facts or willfully scorns expert/scientific testimony (this pandemic is only the most recent example of how that kind of endemic blanket scorn costs lives; there's also climate change denial and Trump has been named the worst president for the environment of all time). The walls of information (and misinformation) have created gigantic echo chambers and probably permanently divided most of America along that ideological line. There's no way forward except to oust him, and even then the effects of his administration will likely be felt for decades and decades to come. He changed our political and social reality to the point that lefitsts and rightists now live in alternate worlds--one with facts and one with fake facts, xenophobia, conspiracy theories, blanket distrust of science and academia, and a veneration for a dangerously delusional strongman. Those on the left too proud and faux-principled to do their part to vote him out of office are presumably privileged enough to justify their pickiness on either blissful ignorance, laissez-faire precious idealism, or just contrarian bitterness. That the dems chose Biden is regrettable but choosing the lesser of two evils will always be the morally superior option (and everyone will be making a choice this November whether they show up at the polls or not). Trump isn't the disease, he's a symptom. The internet enabled echo chambers like never before, allowing everybody to fasten onto their own "truths" from their own favorite outlets without ever being challenged by the other side. Trump and his party have merely tapped into this echo chamber mentality.
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Post by Film Socialism on May 10, 2020 14:33:51 GMT
Imagine not being annoyed by this. The best active political system in the world produced two rapists, possibly child rapists. That's not what annoys some of the people in this thread, though. Just Biden. It’s the hypocrisy that’s massively annoying. Especially when one side acts like they’re morally superior than the other side on said issue. The right's sales pitch for a while now has basically boiled down to "at least we don't even claim to do the right thing". this board is like 80% libs and yeah they have been doing that for a while as well lol
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Post by Film Socialism on May 10, 2020 14:37:49 GMT
It’s the hypocrisy that’s massively annoying. Especially when one side acts like they’re morally superior than the other side on said issue. More than anything it's emblematic of how cancerous Trump has been for American politics/culture. Going high when they go low has not been possible these last four years because Trump and the GOP have been so irreparably toxic, corrupt and incompetent that it's understandably left the entire left shaken and desperate. You can't converse with someone who picks and chooses their own facts or willfully scorns expert/scientific testimony (this pandemic is only the most recent example of how that kind of endemic blanket scorn costs lives; there's also climate change denial and Trump has been named the worst president for the environment of all time). The walls of information (and misinformation) have created gigantic echo chambers and probably permanently divided most of America along that ideological line. There's no way forward except to oust him, and even then the effects of his administration will likely be felt for decades and decades to come. He changed our political and social reality to the point that lefitsts and rightists now live in alternate worlds--one with facts and one with fake facts, xenophobia, conspiracy theories, blanket distrust of science and academia, and a veneration for a dangerously delusional strongman. Those on the left too proud and faux-principled to do their part to vote him out of office are presumably privileged enough to justify their pickiness on either blissful ignorance, laissez-faire precious idealism, or just contrarian bitterness. That the dems chose Biden is regrettable but choosing the lesser of two evils will always be the morally superior option (and everyone will be making a choice this November whether they show up at the polls or not). bernie was like the definition of going high and he got DNC'd harder than in 16, ironically the one thing that's been kind of consistent in both years. there are ways forward, rightwing neolibs are not that though unfortunately, so looks like we have another 4 years (at least) before that happens.
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Post by quetee on May 10, 2020 16:09:44 GMT
I'm confused. You're annoyed cause the dems are advocating for a rapist when the current president is also known as a rapist? It’s the hypocrisy that’s massively annoying. Especially when one side acts like they’re morally superior than the other side on said issue. I understand that point and I agree with it. I read Tara Reade's court documents and it stated that her husband said that she said someone in Joe Biden's office sexually assualted her. If it was actually Joe Biden, you would have pointed the finger to him rather than being so general.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on May 10, 2020 16:18:53 GMT
It’s the hypocrisy that’s massively annoying. Especially when one side acts like they’re morally superior than the other side on said issue. I understand that point and I agree with it. I read Tara Reade's court documents and it stated that her husband said that she said someone in Joe Biden's office sexually assualted her. If it was actually Joe Biden, you would have pointed the finger to him rather than being so general. That's a pretty weak thesis, don't you think? It is well known that people who've experienced sexual assault, even those who tell someone of their assault, may be skittish about outright naming the perpetrator. Why wouldn't that also be the case when the perpetrator in question is a well-known and high-ranking Senator? This isn't a hole in her case, it's completely consistent with everything we know about reports of sexual assault and to assume it is a hole because it's not exactly what you (hypothetically, because none of us are 100% consistent with our own self-image) would have done is the same kind of deflecting and minimizing we used to criticize the right about.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2020 18:07:56 GMT
Two good things to add to this -
1. Voting for the “lesser of two rapists” is not the upstanding moral choice so many people apparently have convinced themselves it is, nor is it “what they have to do”.
2. Neoliberals are not on the left. They’re to the left of American Republicans, but they’re still right wingers.
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Post by Joaquim on May 10, 2020 20:26:58 GMT
Two good things to add to this - 1. Voting for the “lesser of two rapists” is not the upstanding moral choice so many people apparently have convinced themselves it is, nor is it “what they have to do”. 2. Neoliberals are not on the left. They’re to the left of American Republicans, but they’re still right wingers. Why vote for the lesser of two rapists when you can vote for the guy who isn’t a rapist? (Justin amash)
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Post by Zeb31 on May 11, 2020 2:48:56 GMT
I don't even get to vote for this election but I'm gonna butt in anyway. 1. Voting for the “lesser of two rapists” is not the upstanding moral choice so many people apparently have convinced themselves it is, nor is it “what they have to do”. I respect this line of thinking and I used to agree with it somewhat, but the last few years have forced me to grapple with that question head-on and now I'm not convinced that it's any better than the alternative. Growing up without having it drummed into my ears that my country has the greatest political system in the world and spending my entire adult life watching every single Executive branch election that I've been able to vote for boil down to despairingly bad candidates has taught me that choosing the lesser of two evils is exactly what any election is. Having to choose between "bad" and "slightly less bad" is not some modern degeneration of the system, it's precisely why it exists. You may not find that to be upstanding or moral and that's very fair, but I can't convince myself any differently. You can (and should) be disgusted by Biden, Trump and the dumpster fire that American politics have become, but that disgust is not going to change the fact that there will be a rapist in the White House come January. That is, of course, barring some dramatic scenario where one or both of them fall ill or die— which I would never in a million years suggest might be a good or desirable thing, obviously—, but until that happens that's the outcome that seems the likeliest. If you take moral objection to the proposition of using your right to vote to support a senile rapist, then that's perfectly understandable; laudable, even. You can abstain, you can vote for a third party candidate, you can remove yourself from the equation altogether. That's absolutely your right, I absolutely respect it, and in other times I believed I'd do the same. But again: one of the two senile rapists is still going to be your president. You're still living in a country that either ignores or outright celebrates child rape as long as it's the right god emperor doing it, and you're stuck dealing with the consequences of what those rapist-loving citizens decide. You may not have of your own volition opted into a two-party system that forces you to pick between two unqualified pieces of shit, and you're right to be outraged by that, but your outrage doesn't mean you get to opt out, either. You can stay home because you won't bring yourself to vote for bad people, but those bad people will still be out there enacting social, economic, tax and foreign policies; they'll be picking Supreme Court justices and packing lower courts that will drastically shape your country's legal system; they'll be deciding whether to acknowledge the climate crisis or not. Indignation doesn't get you out of that. With all that in mind, I fail to see what's immoral about assessing the situation and minimizing the damage that you're going to be forced through. You're not necessarily a hypocrite if you vote for a bad candidate. People who actively chose Biden even when they had tens of other viable non-rapist primary alternatives to throw their weight behind absolutely should answer for that and I have no idea what the fuck they were thinking; Biden wasn't the smartest choice even if you were absolutely determined to choose someone belonging to the subcategories "racists", "people with horrendous criminal justice records" and "people without fully functional cognitive capacities". But there's a vast difference between the voters who turned a blind eye to all of his obvious shortcomings in the name of "safe & boring is exactly what this country needs because I want to go back to not having to care about politics =)" and the good ol' bUt WhAt AbOuT eLeCtAbiLitY bullshit, and on the other hand people who hate Biden's guts but also hate the alternative that they've been living under for almost 4 years. If you're not a Trump supporter and you didn't choose Biden as your candidate, what the fuck are you supposed to do now? Go "whoopsie, guess I'll try again in 2024!" and leave everything up to others? You're perfectly within your rights to do that if you want, but people aren't wrong for not going that route. What's become abundantly clear to me watching the repulsive circus that is my country's politics is that the people voting for my representatives are not to be trusted. I'm no longer comfortable with the idea of sitting elections out and relinquishing the decision-making that impacts me directly to people that disgust me. Obviously that leaves a wide open invitation for dishonest concern trolls who have no respect for the left anyway to waltz in with "whaaaattt? but I thought the left cared about sexual abuse =(" and extrapolate from that shitposting into "kek you're just as bad as me". But then again you shouldn't be listening to those people anyway. There are severe issues within the Democratic Party, especially if we're talking about gender movements like MeToo and how promoting a fake-woke brand of #I'mWithHer liberal white feminism that preaches that the cure to oppression under capitalism is more women CEOs eventually results in aberrations such as a senile rapist segregationist winning a presidential nomination and then pathetically positing himself as a bastion of progressive morality to court the female and non-white vote. But the people we should turn to to have that conversation are not the anti-feminist right-wingers to whom all of this is nothing but an intellectual exercise and to whom Biden being a rapist is actually a magnificently opportune gotcha checkmate to jettison nuance and discredit people who will feel the impacts of another GOP administration most directly. Using "if you're a woman voting for Biden you're a hypocrite and you'd be okay with Biden raping you" whether seriously or as a lel is about as repulsive and intellectually dishonest as "well if you're a socialist then why do you own things???". Socialists did not opt into living under capitalist consumerism, just like non-liberal feminists who aren't going "YASSS JOE SLAY QUEEN" did not give cause to his nomination. Once the possibility of having a decent candidate has gone out the door, the only thing that's left to do is to pragmatically assess the options that remain and evaluate which of the two rapists will do less damage in office— which of them will enact the least destructive policies, surround himself with the most acceptable cabinet and do the least damage to the Judiciary. If you're watching several legal protections get rolled back one by one and fearing what the end result of more of that might be, you may not be willing to sit down for another 4 years to maybe get a chance to vote for a good candidate somewhere down the line. Because really, none of this is going to get any better if things continue to go the way they currently are. Having to choose "the lesser of two rapists" as the next president isn't some unforeseen glitch, it's merely a consequence of a political system so hopelessly cynical and so absurdly skewed to the right that its misinformed electorate equates the most moderate of policies with hardcore communism, and 4 more years of a far right administration speedrunning that process and relentlessly normalizing the unacceptable in the eyes of the population is not gonna leave you with a brighter-looking landscape in 2024. (I'm clearly not talking exclusively about the US here; I'm extrapolating from my own current predicament as well.) Cat is dead-on when he says the candidate who personified going high got fucked over (by the DNC and by the electorate, let's not forget) and that right-wing neolibs like Biden are not the way forward, but unless the devastating recession and human loss that will result from this pandemic spark a truly disruptive upheaval in the next few years and shake things up severely, I don't see how anything other than right-wing trash makes its way into the ballot anytime soon, and I don't see how not voting will change that.
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Post by The-Havok on May 11, 2020 3:12:08 GMT
God have mercy on whoever reads whatever posted above
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Post by cherry68 on May 11, 2020 5:46:27 GMT
I still don't get how democratic party primaries chose Biden if people don't like him. 🤔
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Post by no on May 11, 2020 7:25:35 GMT
When are we going to start waterboarding liberals?
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