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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 27, 2020 12:13:31 GMT
Not just looking for examples of great performers not delivering but more "how could this miss?" For me an example is DDL in The Crucible. I consider him an all-time top 10 UK film actor - actually top 5 even - but I haaaaaaaaaaaaaaate him in this - a rare outright failure in a drama along with Nine imo - and a far greater role in one of my fave plays. I know where it went wrong for him - the pitch the performance is set at is off from the start and later drifts to madly hysterical - but 2 performances in the movie are nearly perfect - Joan Allen and the DDL of his day Paul Scofield - side by side with him.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2020 13:32:58 GMT
Yes, Day-Lewis and Ryder are both legitimately awful in this. So, so bad.
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Post by wallsofjericho on Feb 27, 2020 15:08:14 GMT
Jack Nicholson in The Departed.
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Post by Zeb31 on Feb 27, 2020 15:09:35 GMT
The one that just won Best Actor.
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Post by Archie on Feb 27, 2020 15:21:41 GMT
The one that just won Best Actor. I wouldn't call it a great role.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 28, 2020 22:56:42 GMT
Director Michael Corrente told Dustin Hoffman there are 3 great roles in the theater - Hamlet, Willy Loman in Death of a Salesman and Teach in American Buffalo - you are too old for #1, already played #2 and ......... Hoffman played Teach while his post-Rain Man decline had already begun - a legendary role that Sam Rockwell takes on next month - and he botched it in every conceivable way. His look was off and too scuzzy.......his relationship with Dennis Franz made no sense - for some reason he seems scared of him here (?) - and Hoffman, a great comic inexplicably missed the huge reservoirs of comedy in the piece. A major missed opportunity:
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Post by isabelaolive on Feb 29, 2020 1:34:09 GMT
DiCaprio - The Aviator Phoenix - Joker Portman - Vox Lux The whole cast of Les Miserables Williams - My week with Marilyn
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Feb 29, 2020 3:08:04 GMT
final answer: Jason Robards in Comes a HorsemanOn paper this was such an interesting and multifacted character. He's the antagonist trying to force Jane Fonda off her ranch so he can own all the surrounding land to preserve its wildness, and despite his coldness, there's a deep implicit tragedy to his doomed resistance to modernization. The story frames Fonda's character as the holdout, but ironically the real holdout is the Robards character, obstinately trying to hold back a tidal wave in the effort to preserve a hopelessly romantic ideal. Unfortunately he exhibits no charisma and the screenplay at best hints at this tragic contradiction without giving Robards a chance to explore it even a little bit. He has even less personality than a Bonanza villain. Actually probably a lot less. He barely even has one dimension. I'm at a loss as to how Pakula let this happen. How could you cast Jason Robards to be the coldhearted villain in your western and have him say all his lines in monotone and use this single sleepy expression for the entire runtime no matter what he's doing?? HOW
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Post by Schiggy on Feb 29, 2020 3:12:34 GMT
DDL looks like a disgusting hobo Bradley Cooper in some slimy Johnny Depp wig in that screencap
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Post by JangoB on Mar 20, 2020 9:49:08 GMT
I must say, the combination of Robert De Niro and Meryl Streep doing a romance in a quasi-remake of Brief Encounter sounded very promising...boy, what a letdown "Falling in Love" was. Both the movie and their performances which just never really come to life, never have any energy between them. They seem like two statues forced to be placed together.
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 13, 2021 15:31:36 GMT
How about Tom Hardy in Capone? I wouldn't call him a great actor necessarily - though he's been great and can be again I'm sure - and I like some of the performance - or at least admire his balls in going for it - far more than many do ........but Capone is a tough role too - not a slam dunk........although it's a great role when Stephen Graham played it......
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Post by hugobolso on Sept 13, 2021 16:34:17 GMT
I don't think Day Lewis was bad, in fact he find a wife there, so he was happy of the filming, but he was the weakest of the 4 leads. And I could explain it.
The Crucible is a veridic as William Shakespeare's Henry VIII. John Proctor in the Crucible character was in his mid 30s early 40s, while in Real life he was 60. Abigail Williams in the play was 17, in real life between 11 to 14.- So there was never a romantic or sexual relationship between them. Not only but Proctor's wife Elizabeth was by far much younger than him.-
The film was extremely auster and realistic. So how a film could be realistic when the main leads form the play are very different from real life? Proctor was a dirty farmer, too dirty for method Day Lewis. And Abigail Williams was a girl or a teenage. If you supose that Abigail was 17, 23-5 Ryder was excellent as Williams, but if she was a little girl, she was too old for the rol. So depending of how you see Abigail she is good or bad.-
Proctor the same, Day Lewis is excellent in his dialogues, but if Proctor was a 60 year old man, he was too damn hot for the role, and too dirty (and this look a classic Day Lewis addition).- Imagine the crucible in 1996 with Al Pacino or Dustin Hoffman with Anna Paquin or Kirsten Dunst (with a black wig) as Proctor and Abigail, that should be akward but more historical accurency.-
The Producers Arthur Miller and one of her elder sons, failed in selling to audiences, instead of selling a play adaptation, like all Shakespeare films, they tried to selled exactly what happened in the Salem witch trails. They confused audiences and criticis between the thin line between fiction and reality.-
Maybe if Proctor was more cleaned like Oldman in the Scarlet Letter, the movie should be better.- Obviously the Crucible is a better acted film.
Joan Allen on the other hand was excellent, she has the age of Elizabeth Proctor historical figure, and beyond all she was previously involve on TV in another Miller Play All my sons, and Paul Scoffield the best of the bunch. He made very few films, but he excelled in all of them.-
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 13, 2021 16:47:35 GMT
Proctor the same, Day Lewis is excellent in his dialogues, but if Proctor was a 60 year old man, he was too damn hot for the role, and too dirty.- Imagine the crucible in 1996 with Al Pacino or Dustin Hoffman with Anna Paquin as Proctor and Abigail, that should be akward but more historical accurency.-
If you've ever seen "You Don't Know Jack" Pacino actually has a scene in prison where he quotes the "because it is my name!" speech - it's pretty cool and a memorable scene...... Have you ever seen George C. Scott play the role in the 60s TV version? It is available for free right now on TUBI - well worth seeing if you are a fan of the play.......
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Post by hugobolso on Sept 13, 2021 16:52:29 GMT
Proctor the same, Day Lewis is excellent in his dialogues, but if Proctor was a 60 year old man, he was too damn hot for the role, and too dirty.- Imagine the crucible in 1996 with Al Pacino or Dustin Hoffman with Anna Paquin as Proctor and Abigail, that should be akward but more historical accurency.-
If you've ever seen "You Don't Know Jack" Pacino actually has a scene in prison where he quotes the "because it is my name!" speech - it's pretty cool and a memorable scene...... Have you ever seen George C. Scott play the role in the 60s TV version? It is available for free right now on TUBI - well worth seeing if you are a fan of the play....... Not. also I haven't seen the Yves Montand too. I read that both leading actresses were blond (Mylène Demongeot Tuesday Weld were, instead of brunette).- At least the Montand version was black and white, I've seen segments from it.-
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Sept 13, 2021 18:27:31 GMT
These BFFs pacinoyes DDL was superb in THE CRUCIBLE , you evil monster Winona was pretty good as well even though her accent was a little bit off.
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Post by chris3 on Sept 13, 2021 21:14:00 GMT
Christian Bale as Batman. Ever since appearing in American Psycho in 2000 he was my first choice to take over the cowl, and I was over-the-moon upon hearing he was picked. While Bale proved to be a capable (if unspectacular) Bruce Wayne and a PHENOMENAL "phony" Bruce Wayne (for which he's basically reviving Patrick Bateman), it was to my major surprise and disappointment that this undeniable talent turned in a flat-out ABYSMAL characterization of the Caped Crusader in costume. The moment he begins with "YOU RATTLED HIS CAAAAGE....", the teenage grin on my face wilted in horror. To date, he remains the worst Batman ever put to screen, including the paycheck Clooney performance since that was simply limp and not actively grating and embarrassingly off-base. Even stranger, his performance grows worse and worse over the course of the trilogy, culminating in one of the most ludicrous line-deliveries ever spoken in a superhero film, which is saying a lot ("WHERE'SH THE TRIGGERRRR?!!!!! YUDNEVEGIVITTOORDINARYSHITIJEN!!!!"). Jesus. And aside from the voice itself, the overall vision of the character was woefully misjudged. I understand the rationale behind playing the Batman persona as a beast-like monstrous incarnation of Wayne's inner anger, but going so all-out with the over-the-top theatrical rage in a universe that seems so afraid of any type of camp, color, or surrealism just makes it all come across as absurd. I place the blame firmly on Nolan for this, but still... it remains the most baffling disconnect between my anticipation of a performance and the performance itself. Let's hope Pattinson doesn't suffer the same fate.
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Post by Nikan on Sept 14, 2021 7:42:40 GMT
Not sure if it was a "great" role to begin with, but Gary Oldman in Tiptoes just has to be seen to be believed.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Sept 14, 2021 11:56:01 GMT
Glenn Close in Albert Nobbs and The Wife.
I'm a fan of hers overall, and on paper these roles seem so promising for any actress of an certain age. She was just forgettable in the first and bad in the second. Which is the worse crime, I think forgettable. If I had to watch one of these performances again though, it would be Albert Nobbs, as while that file was dull as dishwater, it wasn't a complete shit show like The Wife.
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Post by Martin Stett on Sept 14, 2021 14:59:18 GMT
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Post by jakesully on Sept 14, 2021 23:56:24 GMT
Leonardo Dicaprio in J. Edgar was a big letdown for me. It had so much going for it too (the biggest movie star in Hollywood portraying J. Edgar Hoover sounded so interesting to me. Not to mention the living legend Clint Eastwood as the director . What could go wrong? ) Sadly it fell flat for me and holds only a 43% rating on RT. It was the only negatively reviewed film for Dicaprio during his amazing 2010 to present run which is impressive. Leo looked like one of those vampires from 30 Days of Night in it. In the end it just didn't work for me.
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Oct 3, 2021 13:01:05 GMT
I can remember Michelle Williams in My Week With Marilyn was a let-down after falling in love with her performance in Blue Valentine. And then to piggyback off that, Ryan Gosling in Blue Valentine, actually. His choices were too much, I felt, for the 5 years later portions.
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Post by mhynson27 on Oct 3, 2021 13:54:27 GMT
I can remember Michelle Williams in My Week With Marilyn was a let-down after falling in love with her performance in Blue in the Warmest Color. And then to piggyback off that, Ryan Gosling in Blue in the Warmest Color, actually. His choices were too much, I felt, for the 5 years later portions. Michelle Williams in an English language remake of Blue is the Warmest Colour?? I'm listening...
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Oct 3, 2021 16:58:09 GMT
I can remember Michelle Williams in My Week With Marilyn was a let-down after falling in love with her performance in Blue in the Warmest Color. And then to piggyback off that, Ryan Gosling in Blue in the Warmest Color, actually. His choices were too much, I felt, for the 5 years later portions. Michelle Williams in an English language remake of Blue is the Warmest Colour?? I'm listening... Blue Valentine. Whatever. I always get that title mixed with the lesbian French movie. Now that movie wasn't a let down.
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Post by hugobolso on Oct 4, 2021 22:58:08 GMT
Lucille Ball in Mame. Phillip Seymour Hoffman and Meryl in Doubt Day Lewis in Nine (I still got nightmares) Di Caprio in J Edgar Kevin Spacey in Beyond the Sea.-
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Oct 5, 2021 10:19:26 GMT
Lucille Ball in Mame. Phillip Seymour Hoffman and Meryl in Doubt Day Lewis in Nine (I still got nightmares) Di Caprio in J Edgar Kevin Spacey in Beyond the Sea.- Let's talk about how DiCaprio has had several instances of this. He's gotten roles that look like an actor's dream on paper. But ultimately, things don't end up working well. I'm sure we all won't agree on Howard Hughes though. I'm on the didn't work side.
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