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Post by futuretrunks on Dec 8, 2021 1:02:47 GMT
Anchorman is terrible.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Dec 8, 2021 1:10:47 GMT
Him and Jesse Armstrong (creator/show runner) of Succession seem to share the same sensibilities and have a good rapport. Perhaps McKay should collaborate with Armstrong on his next few projects from a screenplay standpoint. McKay needs to go back and do more straightforward comedies in general. I feel like the Oscar win for The Big Short sort of broke his mind, and made him think he could do more. Although I sort of worry we might be past the point of no return in that regard. Pretty sure he doesn’t need to.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Dec 8, 2021 1:13:32 GMT
McKay needs to go back and do more straightforward comedies in general. I feel like the Oscar win for The Big Short sort of broke his mind, and made him think he could do more. Although I sort of worry we might be past the point of no return in that regard. Pretty sure he doesn’t need to. Oh no he doesn't. He can do whatever he want. I would just prefer if for his next picture, he didn't try cramming at least ten different ideas in one movie.
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Post by Billy_Costigan on Dec 8, 2021 1:17:17 GMT
Him and Jesse Armstrong (creator/show runner) of Succession seem to share the same sensibilities and have a good rapport. Perhaps McKay should collaborate with Armstrong on his next few projects from a screenplay standpoint. McKay needs to go back and do more straightforward comedies in general. I feel like the Oscar win for The Big Short sort of broke his mind, and made him think he could do more. Although I sort of worry we might be past the point of no return in that regard. I think this is who McKay is now. The source material for The Big Short was so great even he couldn't ruin it. The problem is he comes off like he thinks he's the smartest guy in the room. His directorial choices are the worst part of his last few films. I'm not sure why these big name actors keep lining up to work for him.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Dec 8, 2021 1:21:55 GMT
McKay needs to go back and do more straightforward comedies in general. I feel like the Oscar win for The Big Short sort of broke his mind, and made him think he could do more. Although I sort of worry we might be past the point of no return in that regard. I think this is who McKay is now. The source material for The Big Short was so great even he couldn't ruin it. The problem is he comes off like he thinks he's the smartest guy in the room. His directorial choices are the worst part of his last few films. I don't know why all these big name actors want to work with him. Yeah, that's fair. I actually respect that McKay wants to be overtly political and obvious, I often find his execution quite lacking, and obnoxious, though. The Big Short won Oscars, and even Vice managed to get several nominations. When you're in the pocket book of the academy like that, often big name or acclaimed actors will basically line-up to work with you. If McKay keeps making films that are "polarizing" though, I don't even know what happens next.
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Post by morton on Dec 8, 2021 2:40:54 GMT
I think this is who McKay is now. The source material for The Big Short was so great even he couldn't ruin it. The problem is he comes off like he thinks he's the smartest guy in the room. His directorial choices are the worst part of his last few films. I don't know why all these big name actors want to work with him. Yeah, that's fair. I actually respect that McKay wants to be overtly political and obvious, I often find his execution quite lacking, and obnoxious, though. The Big Short won Oscars, and even Vice managed to get several nominations. When you're in the pocket book of the academy like that, often big name or acclaimed actors will basically line-up to work with you. If McKay keeps making films that are "polarizing" though, I don't even know what happens next. Same. I follow him on Twitter, and at least from that and what he’s said and what I know of him, I think that we have very similar beliefs, but Vice was so disappointing. There was definitely a great story there that could have been made into an epic film, but I don’t know what McKay was doing. It should have been easy to skewer Bush and Cheney, but he went off too many tangents and cram too much. Sometimes less is way more. I’m afraid of what I’ve seen of Don’t Look Up so far too. It should be something that I should like since it mocks people who don’t want to listen to scientists and people that manipulate those kind of people, yet it doesn’t seem anywhere close to how surreal and sad yet funny yet depressing and frustrating politics feel now.
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Post by mrimpossible on Dec 8, 2021 2:55:40 GMT
I still can see this being an Oscar contender considering McKay is very respected in the industry, has an A list cast and has an important message that Hollywood liberals will love. If it plays really strong in Netflix and does Bird Box numbers, then it can rise above the middling reviews.
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 8, 2021 3:05:21 GMT
As I said on the Being The Ricardos thread, we have a tendency to write obituaries too early. BTR started the day on 52% on Rotten Tomatoes and is now at 70% fresh and rising.
There aren't enough reviews out for this yet to say it can't have a big uptick in reviews. It's the fact that it's a satire/comedy that hurts it's awards chances. This is not the type of genre the Academy really goes for, unless critics are really in the tank for it, which does not seem to be the case here. And it doesn't have the "real life political biopic" importance of Vice to easily overcome average reviews.
So yeah, don't know where this one is going at all. Can't undestimate how much pull Mckay seems to have with the Academy though, and that cast. But considering the genre, I feel it'd need to be one of the best reviewed films of the year to really have strong award hopes.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Dec 8, 2021 3:11:40 GMT
Dr. Strangelove this won’t be
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Dec 8, 2021 3:16:23 GMT
As I said on the Being The Ricardos thread, we have a tendency to write obituaries too early. BTR started the day on 52% on Rotten Tomatoes and is now at 70% fresh and rising. There aren't enough reviews out for this yet to say it can't have a big uptick in reviews. It's the fact that it's a satire/comedy that hurts it's awards chances. This is not the type of genre the Academy really goes for, unless critics are really in the tank for it, which does not seem to be the case here. And it doesn't have the "real life political biopic" importance of Vice to easily overcome average reviews. So yeah, don't know where this one is going at all. Can't undestimate how much pull Mckay seems to have with the Academy though, and that cast. But considering the genre, I feel it'd need to be one of the best reviewed films of the year to really have strong award hopes. Reviews could definitely improve, true. I remember The Post started out rotten for example, and wound up in the 80s on RT. The intentional slow uptick of written reviews on that site is probably its biggest flaw in all in honesty. I do wonder if this being a standard "original satire", whereas The Big Short, and Vice were based off true story, will effect its chances more? I could still see it getting some major nominations, but falling short of best picture. I won't doubt The Academy likes McKay now. I mean Vice got similar reviews, and still managed to land a best pic and director nomination despite a generally mediocre response, and underwhelming box office. Also I just realized that David Sirota co-wrote the screenplay, and that probably explains a lot about the films structure. Dude is one of the ultimate examples of a dude who thinks he's the smartest guy in the room.
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 8, 2021 3:26:35 GMT
As I said on the Being The Ricardos thread, we have a tendency to write obituaries too early. BTR started the day on 52% on Rotten Tomatoes and is now at 70% fresh and rising. There aren't enough reviews out for this yet to say it can't have a big uptick in reviews. It's the fact that it's a satire/comedy that hurts it's awards chances. This is not the type of genre the Academy really goes for, unless critics are really in the tank for it, which does not seem to be the case here. And it doesn't have the "real life political biopic" importance of Vice to easily overcome average reviews. So yeah, don't know where this one is going at all. Can't undestimate how much pull Mckay seems to have with the Academy though, and that cast. But considering the genre, I feel it'd need to be one of the best reviewed films of the year to really have strong award hopes. Reviews could definitely improve, true. I remember The Post started out rotten for example, and wound up in the 80s on RT. The intentional slow uptick of written reviews on that site is probably its biggest flaw in all in honesty. I do wonder if this being a standard "original satire", whereas The Big Short, and Vice were based off true story, will effect its chances more? I could still see it getting some major nominations, but falling short of best picture. I won't doubt The Academy likes McKay now. I mean Vice got similar reviews, and still managed to land a best pic and director nomination despite generally mediocre reviews, and underwhelming box office. Also I just realized that David Sirota co-wrote the screenplay, and that probably explains a lot about the films structure. Dude is one of the ultimate examples of a dude who thinks he's the smartest guy in the room. I definitely think the "based on a true story" elements made a big difference to the succes of both The Big Short and Vice with AMPAS. Don't Look Up just doesn’t have that going for it, so it will face more of an uphill battle. I think people who were nailing DiCaprio on for a Best Actor nomination need to probably start reconsidering. The Academy like him, but they generally need to love his movies as well. This would actually be a real test of how much the Academy does love DiCaprio....if Don't Look Up got no major nods (Best Picture etc) but he could still sneak in for Best Actor.
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Post by mhynson27 on Dec 8, 2021 3:27:22 GMT
I still think Leo makes it tbh.
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 8, 2021 3:41:05 GMT
I honestly think Leo is in big trouble. Critics are not in the tank for this and the genre does not help him at all. I cannot see him getting past Smith, Cumberbatch, Washington or Garfield.
In a theoretical 5th spot shoot-out, I'm starting to fancy Joaquin Phoenix in C'mon C'mon. I'd also give a slight edge to Dinklage as well. Not saying Leo is out, but he is on the edge.
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Post by mhynson27 on Dec 8, 2021 3:42:15 GMT
I definitely think that's our Top 4, but I just feel Leo is too beloved by the Academy at this point to miss. Phoenix at #6.
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Post by Billy_Costigan on Dec 8, 2021 6:32:49 GMT
I definitely think that's our Top 4, but I just feel Leo is too beloved by the Academy at this point to miss. Phoenix at #6. 1. Smith 2. Cumberbatch 3. Washington 4. Garfield 5. Dinklage 6. Cooper 7. Leo 8. Phoenix I don't see Leo getting in. There's no room for error with 4 seemingly safe spots. I think we are overestimating Don't Look Up just because his previous 2 films were nominated. But this isn't the same as his "based on a true story" movies. I mean, maybe it gets Song, Screenplay and sneaks in for Actor but it's not like there isn't serious competition in more Academy friendly, better reviewed films. The Academy loves Cooper too. Supposedly, Netflix hasn't sent screeners yet. Better to bet on someone else for the 5th spot at this point.
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 8, 2021 8:13:23 GMT
DiCap is that definition of "on the bubble" - would I bet on him .......nah, but I also don't see the case against him just yet either.
The last time DiCap got nodded without centering a BP nominee was Blood Diamond.....if this gets in, he gets in ......and I ain't betting against McKay in a populist entertainment on Netflix.
It's not that Leo "needs" a BP nod to get a nod, it's to some extent that he makes pictures become BP nodded by who he is on some level too......still see him over Phoenix and Bardem ......his biggest problem is Dinklage.
Said this before - Dinklage and Garfield maybe do not have room to co-exist and both be in the BA race being in musicals that are not on paper undeniable beasts ......DLU will likely get a screenplay nod too.....always a plus
Totally on the bubble but not without things in his favor for that 5th spot ......
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Post by iheartamyadams on Dec 8, 2021 15:19:57 GMT
DiCaprio still has a chance, mainly on grounds of the possibility that the film could still get into a BP field of 10. It doesn’t strike me as all that likely atm, but stranger things have happened. It’s going to need to play well audiences and be a big deal on Netflix. I think the latter is sure to happen, the former possibly.
I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see the film get into SAG ensemble and see DiCaprio nominated there. Something about Dinklage and Garfield getting into BA feels off to me and C’mon C’mon is strangely not catching on at all so far. It’s like the critics fave that critics aren’t actually embracing. It hasn’t been nominated for anything across all categories. Not even any NY RU mentions. We are probably down to six in Best Actor, maybe seven if you believe in Phoenix.
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Post by stephen on Dec 8, 2021 15:22:36 GMT
I think DiCaprio is fine. Even the most scathing reviews have singled him out for praise. His win equity is low but shit, it always was. I don't think he's lost any ground and I'd still have him in third place as far as safety goes for a nomination.
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Post by Kirk-Picard on Dec 8, 2021 17:39:38 GMT
Critics went scorched earth on this damn
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Post by quetee on Dec 8, 2021 17:42:45 GMT
Yeah but the audience rating will be huge difference. Better to have a good audience rating than a sucky one.
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Post by hugobolso on Dec 8, 2021 18:27:03 GMT
Who loves McKays movies?
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Post by countjohn on Dec 8, 2021 18:34:51 GMT
Well I said before that this didn't really look like an awards movie from the trailer. A 51 metascore won't help either. Leo might still get in because it's Leo but other than that I don't see any major nods. Leo might have made his first career misstep in a while by turning down Nightmare Alley to do this.
Also agree that the success of The Big Short seems to have gone to McKay's head. Vice was one of the most unwarrantedly arrogant films I've seen in a long time. He's regurgitating mid 2000's Democratic Underground talking points and thinks he's a genius.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Dec 8, 2021 19:14:58 GMT
Don't Look Up isn't Bohemian Rhapsody or Vice and 2021 isn't 2018. Jango mentioned in another thread that it's the most "politically relevant" movie of 2021 by Hollywood standards and that's true but IMO it's also the only thing that could keep it alive. But at a metacritic score of 51, people are going to have to like it A LOT and I don't see that kind of viral crowdpleasing support that got low-scoring Bohemian Rhapsody in. People love Queen. Climate change is a bummer.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Dec 8, 2021 19:18:49 GMT
I do think the score could come back up though. It's a 51 from like 20 critics so it could conceivably come up to low 60s where Vice was. It's not dead in the water but not looking as strong as it did a week ago.
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Post by quetee on Dec 8, 2021 19:32:28 GMT
It could still get in with 10 slots but no actor and director nod. Maybe supporting.
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