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Post by pupdurcs on Oct 31, 2019 2:23:16 GMT
And you continuously pestered me about comparing Leo and Denzel. As with here, your seeking my attention waa relentless.
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Post by Good God on Oct 31, 2019 2:24:40 GMT
Screenshots, buddy! You seem to have them regarding everything else I've ever said, but convieniently none for these oh-so-important conversations regarding Leo and Denzel (that frankly, I mostly forgot about, but obviously defined your existance) .*cough* *cough* bullshit!Where are these convos? Another delusion... busted!
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Post by pupdurcs on Oct 31, 2019 2:30:18 GMT
Screenshots, buddy! You seem to have them regarding everything else I've ever said, but convieniently none for these oh-so-important conversations regarding Leo and Denzel (that frankly, I mostly forgot about, but obviously defined your existance) .*cough* *cough* bullshit!Where are these convos? Another delusion... busted! Ugh...what bullshit does this prove . It lacks any context whatsoever. I"m pretty sure by this point you had been pestering me into some phony Leo/Denzel war for months. You can even tell without any context that was far from the first time we"d covered this whole Leo/Denzel thing, which was your obsession on IMDB, not mine. Another fail!
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Post by Good God on Oct 31, 2019 2:31:38 GMT
And you continuously pestered me about comparing Leo and Denzel. As with here, your seeking my attention waa relentless. I think everybody here knows who the delusional and lying nut is Like I said, you brought up Washington and started comparing him to DiCaprio in response to my comment about DiCaprio and DiCaprio alone (about him being the premier actor of our time).
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Post by Good God on Oct 31, 2019 2:33:01 GMT
Ugh...what bullshit does this prove . It lacks any context whatsoever. I"m pretty sure by this point you had been pestering me into some phony Leo/Denzel war for months. You can even tell without any context that was far from the first time we"d covered this whole Leo/Denzel thing, which was your obsession on IMDB, not mine. Another fail! LOOOL! Deflect, deny, lie, and delude yourself all you want. Facts are facts, and I'm the only one providing any kind of evidence
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Post by pupdurcs on Oct 31, 2019 2:34:59 GMT
And you continuously pestered me about comparing Leo and Denzel. As with here, your seeking my attention waa relentless. I think everybody here knows who the delusional and lying nut is Like I said, you brought up Washington and started comparing him to DiCaprio in response to my comment about DiCaprio and DiCaprio alone (about him being the premier actor of our time). Why would I randomly admonish you about Washington if there wasn't already a clear history between us regarding talking about Leo/Denzel?
Duh! You must think people are utterly dumb.
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Post by Good God on Oct 31, 2019 2:37:38 GMT
Why would I randomly admonish you about Washington if there wasn't already a clear history between us regarding talking about Leo/Denzel?
Duh! You must think people are utterly dumb. Dude, I gave you some history, you asked me to prove it with a screenshot, and I did. And now you're backtracking As for why you'd randomly bring up Washington, isn't that what you always do? I gave you exactly the proof you asked for. Now shut up and accept it
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Post by pupdurcs on Oct 31, 2019 2:47:44 GMT
Why would I randomly admonish you about Washington if there wasn't already a clear history between us regarding talking about Leo/Denzel?
Duh! You must think people are utterly dumb. Dude, I gave you some history, you asked me to prove it with a screenshot, and I did. And now you're backtracking As for why you'd randomly bring up Washington, isn't that what you always do? I gave you exactly the proof you asked for. Now shut up and accept it You didnt prove anything. You would need the whole thread to do that, and your posts as well. The way that post clearly reads, it sounds like you actually brought up Washington first and I responded in kind. I wouldn't be going on the offense against Leo and bringing up Denzel in that manner, without you kicking off the attack (by the sounds of it, you were attacking Washington's directors and calibre of films, and I was responding in kind). Or if you hadn't been talking about it aIready for months.I wouldn't be talking about your insane level of jealousy, if this hadn't already been an ongoing issue. There's a reason you gave no context. You've become quite the Spin Merchant lately!
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Post by Good God on Oct 31, 2019 2:52:34 GMT
You didnt prove anything. You would need the whole thread to do that, and your posts as well. The way that post clearly reads, it sounds like you actually brought up Washington first and I responded in kind. I wouldn't be going on the offense against Leo and bringing up Denzel in that manner, without you kicking off the attack (by the sounds of it, you were attacking Washington's directors and calibre of films, and I was responding in kind) Nice delusion. Funny how you didn't quote any of the delusional nonsense you just made up and were only quoting and attacking my claim that DiCaprio was the premier actor of our time Quit while you're ahead. You were the one that pit DiCaprio against Washington. And I proved it by giving you exactly the proof you yourself asked for! Case closed.
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Post by pupdurcs on Oct 31, 2019 2:58:28 GMT
You didnt prove anything. You would need the whole thread to do that, and your posts as well. The way that post clearly reads, it sounds like you actually brought up Washington first and I responded in kind. I wouldn't be going on the offense against Leo and bringing up Denzel in that manner, without you kicking off the attack (by the sounds of it, you were attacking Washington's directors and calibre of films, and I was responding in kind) Nice delusion. Funny how you didn't quote any of the delusional nonsense you just made up and were only attacking my claim that DiCaprio was the premier actor of our time Quit while you're ahead. You were the one that pit DiCaprio against Washington. And I proved it by giving you exactly the proof you yourself asked for! Case closed. Dude, all you proved is that you were attacking Washington in order to praise Leo, and I responded in kind. My post make no logical sense otherwise. To anybody with an actual working brain, your context free "evidence" actually supports that If you were a cop, you'd be the kind to doctor security footage to get a conviction Case Closed
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Post by Good God on Oct 31, 2019 3:01:14 GMT
My claim, and you asking for proof: My proof: I'm the only one giving evidence here. You're just talking out of your ass and making shit up, like you always do
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Post by pupdurcs on Oct 31, 2019 3:06:02 GMT
Can I have the screenshot of you attacking Washington's directors and film choices, before I responded to you?
You know, context of how the conversation came to pass. Not just your invented version.
No. So you can stop now.
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Post by Good God on Oct 31, 2019 3:07:31 GMT
Can I have the screenshot of you attacking Washington's directors and film choices, before I responded to you? These screenshots and me sending you PMs on IMDb only happened in your delusions. And I can't really provide proof for what happened in your delusions, sorry
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Post by pupdurcs on Oct 31, 2019 3:08:04 GMT
These screenshots and me sending you PMs on IMDb only happened in your delusions. And I can't really provide proof of what happened in your delusions, sorry
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Oct 31, 2019 3:57:59 GMT
Speaking of The Preacher's Wife, I'm honestly surprised that Denzel didn't do more romantic films, especially considering his status as a sex symbol in the 1990s. Outside of The Preacher's Wife, there's just Mississippi Masala (obviously not a comedy, but a good movie nonetheless), and that's it. Even in his action films when he does have a love interest, she's usually heavily secondary to the big images on the screen.
Honestly I get what he's saying about romantic comedies. They're very formulaic in general, and don't require much in the way of acting outside of maybe good comedy chops. Still I think he would have been perfect for a sensual "sexual romantic drama", and we never really got that much if at all, especially in his prime.
Denzel solidified his status as a sex symbol and romantic leading man with Mo Better Blues, long before Missisipi Massala and The Preacher's Wife . That was as classic a romantic leading man role as you could imagine. In Mo Better, he was a tortued Jazz player, torn between romancing two women. That movie put him over the edge in terms of really getting him a big female following. That's your sensual romantic drama. He's literally done everything, that we sometimes forget things like Mo Better Blues were milestones in his career. I don"t think he ever wanted to coast on the romantic leading man or rom-com thing, because once you get to heavily into that, people can start to perceive you as a beefcake that is skating by on his looks and charm. Among black actors who went that route, it happened to Morris Chestnut, who went from Boyz In The Hood, to endless African-American romantic dramas and comedies, and ended up being seen as this sort of lightweight actor adored by black women. Among white actors who went that route, Matthew McConaughey.....he ended up being percieved as a lightweight skating by on his looks and charm thanks to being overly associated with rom-coms, and needed an entire career resuscitation movement named after him to shed that tag. We've even discussed how Richard Gere has struggled to be taken seriously because he leaned very much into the "I'm a romantic leading man, I make romantic movies, women love me" thing. Denzel avoided that. Denzel did it perfectly. He has a few perfectly timed "romantic" parts early in his career (Mo Better, Missisipi Massala, Preachers Wife...I'd even count his Don Pedro in Much Ado About Nothing as partial fanservice to his female fanbase), but didn't fall into the trap of becoming romantic beefcake. Once he got that female fanbase, they weren't going anywhere, and he didn't need to constantly top it up with romantic films. Yeah but Mo Better Blues was less about romance, and more about how jazz effected his personal life. He was certainly sexy (honestly it might be the most sexy he's ever been, before or after), but I was more referring to a romantic drama, that's totally about the relationship between him and a "love of his life", I would have liked to have seen more of that, though I can't complain about his career in general. I also agree with you. Denzel knew the limitations of the genre, especially as an African-American and he was smart to change things-up. He could have been typecasted, instead he went from dramas to action films to thrillers in the blink of an eye, and it's part of what made him one of the most consistently popular leading men in North American. I'm also glad you mentioned Much Ado About Nothing. That's a great example of him doing something much more lighthearted and succeeding at it. He's not even the focal point of the film, and his screentime is rather fractured, and yet simply with a silly finger gesture, and some cool line readings, he absolutely dominates the screen. I actually would love to see him do more roles like that.
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Post by pupdurcs on Oct 31, 2019 4:18:06 GMT
Denzel solidified his status as a sex symbol and romantic leading man with Mo Better Blues, long before Missisipi Massala and The Preacher's Wife . That was as classic a romantic leading man role as you could imagine. In Mo Better, he was a tortued Jazz player, torn between romancing two women. That movie put him over the edge in terms of really getting him a big female following. That's your sensual romantic drama. He's literally done everything, that we sometimes forget things like Mo Better Blues were milestones in his career. I don"t think he ever wanted to coast on the romantic leading man or rom-com thing, because once you get to heavily into that, people can start to perceive you as a beefcake that is skating by on his looks and charm. Among black actors who went that route, it happened to Morris Chestnut, who went from Boyz In The Hood, to endless African-American romantic dramas and comedies, and ended up being seen as this sort of lightweight actor adored by black women. Among white actors who went that route, Matthew McConaughey.....he ended up being percieved as a lightweight skating by on his looks and charm thanks to being overly associated with rom-coms, and needed an entire career resuscitation movement named after him to shed that tag. We've even discussed how Richard Gere has struggled to be taken seriously because he leaned very much into the "I'm a romantic leading man, I make romantic movies, women love me" thing. Denzel avoided that. Denzel did it perfectly. He has a few perfectly timed "romantic" parts early in his career (Mo Better, Missisipi Massala, Preachers Wife...I'd even count his Don Pedro in Much Ado About Nothing as partial fanservice to his female fanbase), but didn't fall into the trap of becoming romantic beefcake. Once he got that female fanbase, they weren't going anywhere, and he didn't need to constantly top it up with romantic films. Yeah but Mo Better Blues was less about romance, and more about how jazz effected his personal life. He was certainly sexy (honestly it might be the most sexy he's ever been, before or after), but I was more referring to a romantic drama, that's totally about the relationship between him and a "love of his life", I would have liked to have seen more of that, though I can't complain about his career in general. I also agree with you. Denzel knew the limitations of the genre, especially as an African-American and he was smart to change things-up. He could have been typecasted, instead he went from dramas to action films to thrillers in the blink of an eye, and it's part of what made him one of the most consistently popular leading men in North American. I'm also glad you mentioned Much Ado About Nothing. That's a great example of him doing something much more lighthearted and succeeding at it. He's not even the focal point of the film, and his screentime is rather fractured, and yet simply with a silly finger gesture, and some cool line readings, he absolutely dominates the screen. I actually would love to see him do more roles like that. Well he nearly did Love Field opposite Michelle Pfieffer , but dropped out last minute due to creative differences (he was replaced by Dennis Haysbert).
Much Ado About Nothing was a great part for him in an ensemble. I can imagine him doing some sort of Bridges Of Madison type romantic drama at some point. He won't be able to run around in action flicks for much longer, so he might see less of a drawback in fitting in a sweet type of romance film between an older couple.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Oct 31, 2019 4:31:51 GMT
Yeah but Mo Better Blues was less about romance, and more about how jazz effected his personal life. He was certainly sexy (honestly it might be the most sexy he's ever been, before or after), but I was more referring to a romantic drama, that's totally about the relationship between him and a "love of his life", I would have liked to have seen more of that, though I can't complain about his career in general. I also agree with you. Denzel knew the limitations of the genre, especially as an African-American and he was smart to change things-up. He could have been typecasted, instead he went from dramas to action films to thrillers in the blink of an eye, and it's part of what made him one of the most consistently popular leading men in North American. I'm also glad you mentioned Much Ado About Nothing. That's a great example of him doing something much more lighthearted and succeeding at it. He's not even the focal point of the film, and his screentime is rather fractured, and yet simply with a silly finger gesture, and some cool line readings, he absolutely dominates the screen. I actually would love to see him do more roles like that. Well he nearly did Love Field opposite Michelle Pfieffer , but dropped out last minute due to creative differences (he was replaced by Dennis Haysbert).
Much Ado About Nothing was a great part for him in an ensemble. I can imagine him doing some sort of Bridges Of Madison type romantic drama at some point. He won't be able to run around in action flicks for much longer, so he might see less of a drawback in fitting in a sweet type of romance film between an older couple. He probably made the right decision considering that film isn't especially noteworthy aside from Pfeiffer's nomination. And yeah, I can see doing a bittersweet "where has the time gone type" romantic drama down the line too. It could even be the film that leads him to a third Oscar win or something, since it sounds so perfect on paper!
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Post by pupdurcs on Oct 31, 2019 4:46:59 GMT
Well he nearly did Love Field opposite Michelle Pfieffer , but dropped out last minute due to creative differences (he was replaced by Dennis Haysbert).
Much Ado About Nothing was a great part for him in an ensemble. I can imagine him doing some sort of Bridges Of Madison type romantic drama at some point. He won't be able to run around in action flicks for much longer, so he might see less of a drawback in fitting in a sweet type of romance film between an older couple. And yeah, I can see doing a bittersweet "where has the time gone type" romantic drama down the line too. It could even be the film that leads him to a third Oscar win or something, since it sounds so perfect on paper! I'd like to see him do something like that with Regina King....she's already a respected Oscar and Emmy winning actress, but the first two episodes of Watchmen have really started to put her over the top for me. I think by time Watchmen is done, she'll be much more widely recognised as one of the elite screen actresses working. She should already be considering her accolades, but black actresses rarely get lead roles as juicy and complicated as the one she has in Watchmen....so her stock is probably going to go up higher than even when she got her Oscar. She is crushing her role on Watchmen. Thing I like about King is that she has chemistry with anyone. On Watchmen, you feel like she not only has a romantic connection with the guy who plays her husband, but also an unspoken romantic chemistry with Don Johnson's character who plays her boss and friend. I think King and Washington would make a fantastic pairing.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Oct 31, 2019 5:05:25 GMT
And yeah, I can see doing a bittersweet "where has the time gone type" romantic drama down the line too. It could even be the film that leads him to a third Oscar win or something, since it sounds so perfect on paper! I'd like to see him do something like that with Regina King....she's already a respected Oscar and Emmy winning actress, but the first two episodes of Watchmen have really started to put her over the top for me. I think by time Watchmen is done, she'll be much more widely recognised as one of the elite screen actresses working. She should already be considering her accolades, but black actresses rarely get lead roles as juicy and complicated as the one she has in Watchmen....so her stock is probably going to go up higher than even when she got her Oscar. She is crushing her role on Watchmen. Thing I like about King is that she has chemistry with anyone. On Watchmen, you feel like she not only has a romantic connection with the guy who plays her husband, but also an unspoken romantic chemistry with Don Johnson's character who plays her boss and friend. I think King and Washington would make a fantastic pairing. King and Washington would make for a fantastic couple in a film together. She has that sort of "no-nonsense energy", and charm, that would really counteract with his "cool factor". I've been a fan of King or at least have paid attention to her, since her Ray days, and I'm glad to see her starting to get more recognized now. She's a fantastic actress.
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Post by TerryMontana on Oct 31, 2019 6:27:34 GMT
Actually, Hanks' case was totally different. He started from comedy and he was a very successful comic actor (Splash, Sleepless in Seattle, an Oscar nod for Big) before going into more serious/dramatic movies (with Philadelphia), at which he excelled. Hanks has about as much relevance to Denzel's stature, as Jack Lemmon did to Marlon Brando's. Which is none. It's a phony, imaginary, almost non-existant "rivalry" because they are so fundamentally different that the only thing they really seem to have in common is being popular actors that are American of a similar age. They can exist comfortablely in the same space, as neither threatens the other. In this scenario, Denzel is Brando and Hanks is Lemmon. Denzel is the intense, dramatic method actor that other actors idolise. Hanks is the likable movie star adept at both comedy and drama that actors very much respect and like, but not in the way they (mostly) ever worshipped or wanted to be like Brando or Denzel. You do not get middle aged Actors actors like Edward Norton or Benico Del Toro talking about Hanks in idolatry tones like they do about Washington. To be honest, actors rarely seem to rhapsodise unprompted about Hanks, full stop.Hanks is an actor other actors admire, without neccesarily wanting to be like. Lemmon had a similar affliction
I don"t even think a third Oscar (which is possible for Hanks one day, at the clip he Oscarbaits) will change that for Hanks. He's too fundamentally "soft" as an actor to ever be perceived by other actors like a Denzel or Brando (and Lemmon was far better than Brando at comedy, but that had zero relevance to Brando's stature. And their Oscar track record is pretty similar).
Hanks and Lemmon will always be beloved movie stars mentioned in all-time favorite actor discussions. Some people will even say they prefer them to those intense method guys who generally dominate GOAT debates.But actors in drama school do not generally speaking, aspire to be these guys, and pretty much nothing can change that. Being seen as "nice" or unthreatening may make you a popular actor, but those are the drawbacks. Shia Lebeouf saying he didn't want to be compared to Hanks because he preferred "darker" actors sums up Hanks eternal problem. Shia thought being compared to Hanks mads him look soft.
In his generation of American Leading men, Sean Penn may have at one point been the guy who could have challenged Denzel's stature among their peers. Both from the intense method school, and at one point in his career, actors talked in worshipful tones about Penn, like they currently do for Denzel. But he's fallen off so badly, that as I have said, Denzel's main American competition these days is Marlon Brando's Ghost. Whatever Hanks does, actors will never rate him or talk about him like Washington. He's not an edgy enough performer.
So in other words you saying the fundamental difference between them is that other actors idolize DW and want to be like him?
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Post by pupdurcs on Oct 31, 2019 7:49:56 GMT
Hanks has about as much relevance to Denzel's stature, as Jack Lemmon did to Marlon Brando's. Which is none. It's a phony, imaginary, almost non-existant "rivalry" because they are so fundamentally different that the only thing they really seem to have in common is being popular actors that are American of a similar age. They can exist comfortablely in the same space, as neither threatens the other. In this scenario, Denzel is Brando and Hanks is Lemmon. Denzel is the intense, dramatic method actor that other actors idolise. Hanks is the likable movie star adept at both comedy and drama that actors very much respect and like, but not in the way they (mostly) ever worshipped or wanted to be like Brando or Denzel. You do not get middle aged Actors actors like Edward Norton or Benico Del Toro talking about Hanks in idolatry tones like they do about Washington. To be honest, actors rarely seem to rhapsodise unprompted about Hanks, full stop.Hanks is an actor other actors admire, without neccesarily wanting to be like. Lemmon had a similar affliction
I don"t even think a third Oscar (which is possible for Hanks one day, at the clip he Oscarbaits) will change that for Hanks. He's too fundamentally "soft" as an actor to ever be perceived by other actors like a Denzel or Brando (and Lemmon was far better than Brando at comedy, but that had zero relevance to Brando's stature. And their Oscar track record is pretty similar).
Hanks and Lemmon will always be beloved movie stars mentioned in all-time favorite actor discussions. Some people will even say they prefer them to those intense method guys who generally dominate GOAT debates.But actors in drama school do not generally speaking, aspire to be these guys, and pretty much nothing can change that. Being seen as "nice" or unthreatening may make you a popular actor, but those are the drawbacks. Shia Lebeouf saying he didn't want to be compared to Hanks because he preferred "darker" actors sums up Hanks eternal problem. Shia thought being compared to Hanks mads him look soft.
In his generation of American Leading men, Sean Penn may have at one point been the guy who could have challenged Denzel's stature among their peers. Both from the intense method school, and at one point in his career, actors talked in worshipful tones about Penn, like they currently do for Denzel. But he's fallen off so badly, that as I have said, Denzel's main American competition these days is Marlon Brando's Ghost. Whatever Hanks does, actors will never rate him or talk about him like Washington. He's not an edgy enough performer.
So in other words you saying the fundamental difference between them is that other actors idolize DW and want to be like him? It's certainly a difference (the level and nature of peer regard). They have many more differences.But I'd say the exact same thing if you wanted to compare Daniel Day-Lewis to Hanks. There is clearly a different level of reverence among actors for DDL than there is for Hanks (which is not to say actors don't rate/respect Hanks or envy his iconic stardom and career). Actors don't generally think, "Hanks is way better at comedy than DDL" (which he is), so he's a better actor and I want to be like him instead". It doesnt work like that.
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 31, 2019 8:26:51 GMT
So in other words you saying the fundamental difference between them is that other actors idolize DW and want to be like him? - I was going to post the same thing and say it must be nice to "know" that. I'm sure people are sorry for that fake comparison to Hanks - even though they are both Americans of the same era who co-starred together and who have comparable box office success and awards success. It totally makes more sense to compare him to an actor from 30+ years prior or a British actor who has 19 films where 1/3 were BP nodded prestige pics when Washington has 1 of those out of ~40+. But hey - this thread got way too weird when we got into "Marlon Brando's Ghost" haunting us all or something like that. Happy Halloween
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Post by Good God on Oct 31, 2019 8:51:25 GMT
It's certainly a difference (the level and nature of peer regard). They have many more differences.But I'd say the exact same thing if you wanted to compare Daniel Day-Lewis to Hanks. There is clearly a different level of reverence among actors for DDL than there is for Hanks (which is not to say actors don't rate/respect Hanks or envy his iconic stardom and career). Actors don't generally think, "Hanks is way better at comedy than DDL" (which he is), so he's a better actor and I want to be like him instead". It doesnt work like that. I thought we were talking about who the better actor was, not who Poop Scrud thinks more actors want to be like.
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Post by pupdurcs on Oct 31, 2019 8:53:40 GMT
Anyone who doesn't comprehend that in general actors revere and idolise the likes of DDL and Denzel more than Hanks probably doesn't know any actors or actually understand actors. Then again, all actors are supposedly liars who have no understading of their own craft, which is better understood by messageboard fans of short Italian actors....so actors ... fuck 'em!
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Post by Good God on Oct 31, 2019 9:00:52 GMT
Bloody hell, Jealous DiCaprio stan is back! Can't stand that people started having real conversations again after you attempted thread destroying shitshow. Sorry Norton wasn't rhapsodising about the Premiere Actor Of Our Time It is what it is Robert De Niro and Al Pacino have rhapsodized about DiCaprio in the past. Robert De Niro >>>> Edward Norton. Al Pacino >>> Edward Norton. But this isn't about DiCaprio. We were comparing Tom Hanks and Denzel Washington as actors, before you went into a silly tangent about who you think actors want to be like. I understand the insecurity, because Tom Hanks has the clearly superior career of the two, but there is no need to lose your panties over it
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