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Post by futuretrunks on Oct 16, 2019 23:47:44 GMT
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Money Monster
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It feels like he's become irrelevant so quickly. That Catch-22 Hulu show has some decent reviews but I know nobody who's watched it. Do you think his Good Morning, Midnight Netflix movie will put him back in good graces, or is he basically done here?
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Post by vinnyt on Oct 17, 2019 2:14:04 GMT
He went home and had a family. He's got Oscars and can essentially just do films for fun. He became an A-list star relatively quick and has essentially done it all so why not? I'm sure it's his own choice to become less relevant.
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Post by Good God on Oct 17, 2019 2:19:20 GMT
He went home and had a family. He's got Oscars and can essentially just do films for fun. He became an A-list star relatively quick and has essentially done it all so why not? I'm sure it's his own choice to become less relevant. You're saying it's his choice to have critical and Box Office bombs?
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Post by vinnyt on Oct 17, 2019 2:32:18 GMT
I meant as in it's his choice to just do what looks good to him and not just to be in something every year. I meant it as in quantity not necessarily quality.
Also I forgot how stupid Suburbicon was.
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Post by LaraQ on Oct 17, 2019 11:20:15 GMT
It might be an age thing,the guy is 58,probably a little long in the tooth to be a leading man for much longer.It's a smart decision to move into directing/producing.He's not irrelevant by any means,his career is just changing.
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Post by hugobolso on Oct 17, 2019 11:37:55 GMT
He was never relevant, he just know a lot of public relationship. So his films receive lot of public attention.- He was the single (divorce) guy for many decades, so he married and settle down like Warren Beatty.-
Much more interesting is his career as producer.-
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 17, 2019 12:03:50 GMT
I guess I just bristle at using the term "relevant" to describe an actor or any artist per se - to me, there are great actors, good actors, bad actors etc. none of them are particularly "relevant" .......and there is also a hint of ageism in the word sometimes that gives those who use it a free pass for not actually judging the work itself (ie "oh I heard DeNiro is good in "Stone" but he's not relevant now, didn't see it" etc.) - it lets the viewer of the Art off the hook implicitly/wrongly imo.
Now having said that Clooney was never a great actor but he had a certain appeal for a long time, and he's picked bad projects so....pick better projects......careers are tough to manage - like I said on here a lot, American actors go off a cliff - no matter who you are even - around age 65 ......to some it happens sooner......the choices are bleak :
Do crap and hope something "sticks/works" or stop working at all (consistency and all that BS) and wait for the sweet embrace of Death.
My advice for George is to keep working, and pick better projects......good luck.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Oct 19, 2019 14:35:30 GMT
There are always going to be younger fresher faces. Can't imagine he has many options, so unless he gets a massive miniseries role that gets a ton of accolades or finds himself in an MCU film, I think he can probably just ride out the waves of his career's success, maybe working more, maybe not. Maybe just picking roles that interest him. And he has his hand in so many humanitarian pots, I'm sure he's not bored. He probably goes to a lot of functions with Amal and gets lots of free meals and drinks. I doubt mainstream "relevance" is something he worries about.
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Oct 19, 2019 16:15:04 GMT
I don't know because to me he was never as beloved by audiences as he was by the industry.
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Post by pupdurcs on Oct 19, 2019 22:08:28 GMT
I don't know because to me he was never as beloved by audiences as he was by the industry. Absolutely. He had a golden ticket in the industry and he rode it for all it was worth. He's not without talent, but I think the industry desperately wanted him to be something he never was or was never up to being. Like he was supposed to be the reincarnation of Cary Grant with the artistic sensibility and creative talent of Orson Welles or something. It was all a bit much. You can't force this "last great movie star" thing on people. It has to be organic, and it never was for Clooney. Someone like him will always get chances in Hollywood. They still give money to Warren Beatty to produce and direct flops, so Clooney has enough capital in Hollywood to still get things made. With his recent track record though, if he was a woman or a minority, he'd have been bounced out of the VIP section of the club (in Hollywood terms).
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Oct 19, 2019 23:25:03 GMT
I don't know because to me he was never as beloved by audiences as he was by the industry. Absolutely. He had a golden ticket in the industry and he rode it for all it was worth. He's not without talent, but I think the industry desperately wanted him to be something he never was or was never up to being. Like he was supposed to be the reincarnation of Cary Grant with the artistic sensibility and creative talent of Orson Welles or something. It was all a bit much. You can't force this "last great movie star" thing on people. It has to be organic, and it never was for Clooney. Someone like him will always get chances in Hollywood. They still give money to Warren Beatty to produce and direct flops, so Clooney has enough capital in Hollywood to still get things made. With his recent track record though, if he was a woman or a minority, he'd have been bounced out of the VIP section of the club (in Hollywood terms). Yeah, I agree with everything you said here. Hollywood forced that "last great movie star" image on him, but I don't think the public ever bought it. And to me he's not comparable to Cary Grant or Clark Gable because those men were hugely popular with audiences in their day. And the creative talent of Orson Welles? Never! (Although to be fair - what actor today does?)
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Post by Good God on Oct 20, 2019 0:07:56 GMT
Yeah, I agree with everything you said here. Clooney forced that "last great movie star" image on the audiences, but I don't think the public ever bought it. Fixed.
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Post by countjohn on Oct 20, 2019 4:33:12 GMT
the reincarnation of Cary Grant with the artistic sensibility and creative talent of Orson Welles or something. It would be so amazing if someone like that actually existed.
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Post by futuretrunks on Nov 12, 2020 0:23:49 GMT
I don't know because to me he was never as beloved by audiences as he was by the industry. Absolutely. He had a golden ticket in the industry and he rode it for all it was worth. He's not without talent, but I think the industry desperately wanted him to be something he never was or was never up to being. Like he was supposed to be the reincarnation of Cary Grant with the artistic sensibility and creative talent of Orson Welles or something. It was all a bit much. You can't force this "last great movie star" thing on people. It has to be organic, and it never was for Clooney. Someone like him will always get chances in Hollywood. They still give money to Warren Beatty to produce and direct flops, so Clooney has enough capital in Hollywood to still get things made. With his recent track record though, if he was a woman or a minority, he'd have been bounced out of the VIP section of the club (in Hollywood terms). To be fair to Beatty, Bulworth was actually quite interesting and daring (and I remember hearing "Ghetto Superstar" on the radio every day). He's only become a relic in the 2000s/2010s, and he's directed a single movie in this period. With Clooney, it kind of feels like he misused his friendships with talent to the point where he'll have trouble snagging A-listers to star in his stuff. His wasting of Damon in particular.
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Post by franklin on Nov 12, 2020 11:00:23 GMT
Lots of his filmography aged badly, aside from Micheal Clayton and some of the Ocean movies (but those are more popcorn entertainment, not prestige Oscar stuff).
He started to go into decline after The Descendants (i don't even count Gravity, which is a full Sandra Bullock movie, he has only two scenes or something).
Unlike DiCaprio and Pitt (movie stars that broke through in the 90s like him) he was never considered as iconic or talented by audiences and industry folks as them.
Always struck me as someone more beloved by the entire Hollywood industry bubble rather than critics, cinephiles, or the general public.
Seriously, he managed to get a Golden Globe Lifetime Achievement Award at such a young age (53) and before more respected and iconic actors with more esteemed bodies of work like Washington and Hanks.
To me he's always been an anomaly.
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Post by mattfincher on Nov 23, 2020 0:47:02 GMT
He doesn't really seem interested in being one. If you compare him to his relative age contemporaries (Pitt, Cruise, Depp), he never really had the appeal any of those guys had. You could argue all three of them could have been reasonably declared the biggest movie star in the world during at least one point of their careers. You can't say that about Clooney. And at least in Pitt and Cruise's case, they still have massive zeitgeist appeal while being big stars well before Clooney became one. Depp is a fraught case right now and it's hard to see him making a comeback that gets him anywhere near the level he once was (he was already starting to make poor career choices before his personal troubles), but still he was the most popular actor in the world during his Pirates run. And yeah, a lot of Clooney's films just don't seem to have the legs that are going to make his career the one that's combed over throughout history.
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Post by futuretrunks on Dec 31, 2020 0:20:07 GMT
Well, in the wake of Midnight Sky, I guess I'll do a bump. We know of at least two directorial projects on the horizon (one with Affleck starring, "The Tender Bar", and the John Grisham "Calico Joe" movie).
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Post by jakesully on Jan 2, 2021 16:24:47 GMT
Although I couldn't finish Midnight Sky (found it to be too boring) I do not thing he is done (just too well liked/beloved in the industry) . I've never really been a fan of his acting or his smug attitude . I 'm sure he's content on racking up bank with his tequila business .
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Post by ibbi on Jan 2, 2021 20:05:29 GMT
As a filmmaker, absolutely. I really liked his first two movies, and I'm maybe the only person on the planet that enjoyed Leatherheads, but he's been nosediving for a decade now. I think if he had stuck to acting he might be in a better position, reputation wise, than he is now?
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Post by morton on Jan 2, 2021 22:28:16 GMT
As a filmmaker, absolutely. I really liked his first two movies, and I'm maybe the only person on the planet that enjoyed Leatherheads, but he's been nosediving for a decade now. I think if he had stuck to acting he might be in a better position, reputation wise, than he is now? I think his first two projects really helped his image as one of the biggest actors in Hollywood that was so amazing that he could also write and direct to, but he probably should have stopped after two movies. I guess if I’m being generous he could have survived Leatherheads if he had only directed four movies since The Ides of March did well with the Globes and got a PGA nomination, but woof yeah he really took a nosedive with The Monuments Men and Suburbicon. I haven’t heard much about The Midnight Sky, not that I care to, so I guess that one is okay but probably not going to help revive where his reputation was when it seemed like he could do no wrong in his career.
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Post by Allenism on Jan 3, 2021 22:27:11 GMT
Lots of his filmography aged badly, aside from Micheal Clayton and some of the Ocean movies (but those are more popcorn entertainment, not prestige Oscar stuff). I'd add Out of Sight, O Brother Where Art Thou? and Good Night, and Good Luck to the short list.
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Post by stephen on Apr 27, 2021 11:19:03 GMT
Well, he's probably not got much of a future in Oscar prognostication after the Best Actor upset this year. (Sorry, had to do it.)
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Post by LaraQ on Apr 27, 2021 11:29:35 GMT
Well, he's probably not got much of a future in Oscar prognostication after the Best Actor upset this year. (Sorry, had to do it.) Clooney declaring that "Chadwick will win the Oscar" is one of the reasons he annoys me so much.He acts like he's the Mayor of Hollywood and it's his decision or something.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Apr 27, 2021 12:12:25 GMT
Well, he's probably not got much of a future in Oscar prognostication after the Best Actor upset this year. (Sorry, had to do it.) Clooney declaring that "Chadwick will win the Oscar" is one of the reasons he annoys me so much.He acts like he's the Mayor of Hollywood and it's his decision or something. Damn ! Thank you for jinxing it George !
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Post by franklin on Apr 27, 2021 13:26:51 GMT
I love how Clooney last year showed up everywhere campaigning, being charming and all, returned to act in a film for the first time in four years (he almost wanted to imitate DiCaprio who after nearly four years since The Revenant finally returned with Once Upon A Time In Hollywood) and yet no one gave an actual fuck about him or his boring, mediocre movie. He's almost 60 and now his next big thing apparently is a sort of 2000s style rom-com with Julia Roberts.
If that's not completely fading, I don't know what it is.
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