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Post by Miles Morales on May 5, 2019 5:45:03 GMT
People should focus hating on actual capitalist garbage like Alice in Wonderland (2010), The Smurfs, The Hangover Part II and Bohemian Rhapsody rather than superhero films. I'm not one to go out of my way to hate on superhero movies, but what separates them from all that "capitalist garbage"? At least the stars in superhero films try to help people in real life and some of the films have genuinely inspired people in a good way. The other four are just worthless and have no respect for the audience (other than their money). I don't even want to bring up politics, but the constant barrage of venomous criticism superhero films have gotten for more than four years (particularly the Marvel films) has made me sick and tired.
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Post by Pavan on May 5, 2019 5:59:32 GMT
Which kind of sums up my problem with them in one sentence. The big problem here is that we have to stand up for the National Anthem before watching a movie in theatres. It reached its height when we stood up for the National Anthem before watching First Man, a film primarily about an American achievement. When someone questions this notion those 'bhakts' collective response is "go to Pakistan". I've decided to stay calm on these kind of matters. It's the only way one can peacefully live in this country.
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Post by Miles Morales on May 5, 2019 6:07:12 GMT
The big problem here is that we have to stand up for the National Anthem before watching a movie in theatres. It reached its height when we stood up for the National Anthem before watching First Man, a film primarily about an American achievement. When someone questions this notion those 'bhakts' collective response is "go to Pakistan". I've decided to stay calm on these kind of matters. It's the only way one can peacefully live in this country. Agreed. I don't have much of a problem with standing up for the National Anthem while watching a film. I, however, do have a problem with 14,605,001 ads they show before and after it.
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Post by themoviesinner on May 5, 2019 8:17:53 GMT
Since we're talking about superhero films, the best superhero film is Mr. Freedom (1968) and it's a shame it doesn't get the recognition it deserves.
Also, let me get my unpopular opinion on superhero films out of the way. I think the concept of superheroes is inherently quite ridiculous. So these films can work one of three ways:
1. If they go all-out on the ridiculousness (like most asian superhero films like Yatterman did, or for a more western example Kick-Ass. Those were genuinely very entertaining films).
2. Uses the concept of superheroes as some kind of metaphor (like Watchmen did, which is the main reason I consider it one of the best films of the 21st century).
3. Keeps the ridiculousness to a minimum and strives to be more of a genre film with some supernatural elements (examples are The Dark Knight or for Marvel films Captain America: The Winter Soldier).
I think most DC or Marvel films strive to be a combination of these three parameters, which I don't think quite works, because it leads to awkward tone shifts and transitions (for example ridiculous action sequences, but quite toned down character interactions ect.), misplaced humour and general clumsiness. This ultimately leads to a disappointing and quite sour film experience.
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Post by Miles Morales on May 5, 2019 8:54:24 GMT
Since we're talking about superhero films, the best superhero film is Mr. Freedom (1968) and it's a shame it doesn't get the recognition it deserves. Also, let me get my unpopular opinion on superhero films out of the way. I think the concept of superheroes is inherently quite ridiculous. So these films can work one of three ways: 1. If they go all-out on the ridiculousness (like most asian superhero films like Yatterman did, or for a more western example Kick-Ass. Those were genuinely very entertaining films). 2. Uses the concept of superheroes as some kind of metaphor (like Watchmen did, which is the main reason I consider it one of the best films of the 21st century). 3. Keeps the ridiculousness to a minimum and strives to be more of a genre film with some supernatural elements (examples are The Dark Knight or for Marvel films Captain America: The Winter Soldier). I think most DC or Marvel films strive to be a combination of these three parameters, which I don't think quite works, because it leads to awkward tone shifts and transitions (for example ridiculous action sequences, but quite toned down character interactions ect.), misplaced humour and general clumsiness. This ultimately leads to a disappointing and quite sour film experience. That is actually a really interesting perspective.
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Post by Miles Morales on May 5, 2019 8:59:49 GMT
Another one: I think people are really missing out by not giving Indian cinema a chance. Our films can be so much more than typical song-and-dance potboilers, and mainstream Hindi cinema has provided some unique and very well-made films in the recent times. On top of that we also have some great regional films.
A generic storyline doesn't matter as long as the filmmaking is on point and the actual writing is good.
Lion is a much better film than Slumdog Millionaire.
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Post by mhynson27 on May 5, 2019 9:48:19 GMT
Another one: I think people are really missing out by not giving Indian cinema a chance. Our films can be so much more than typical song-and-dance potboilers, and mainstream Hindi cinema has provided some unique and very well-made films in the recent times. On top of that we also have some great regional films. A generic storyline doesn't matter as long as the filmmaking is on point and the actual writing is good. Lion is a much better film than Slumdog Millionaire.Could be wrong but that might actually be the consensus on here.
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Post by Miles Morales on May 5, 2019 10:17:16 GMT
Another one: I think people are really missing out by not giving Indian cinema a chance. Our films can be so much more than typical song-and-dance potboilers, and mainstream Hindi cinema has provided some unique and very well-made films in the recent times. On top of that we also have some great regional films. A generic storyline doesn't matter as long as the filmmaking is on point and the actual writing is good. Lion is a much better film than Slumdog Millionaire.Could be wrong but that might actually be the consensus on here. It does have higher ratings on IMDb and Letterboxd than Slumdog so yeah maybe.
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Post by themoviesinner on May 5, 2019 11:25:39 GMT
That is actually a really interesting perspective. Glad you found my take interesting. It's just that I think the superhero genre has so many possibilites for experimentation (and successful ones at that, as was proven by Nolan and his Batman films) that it's quite frustrating that most just stick to the usual tired formula, even though it has proven to be successful at the box office.
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Post by themoviesinner on May 5, 2019 11:32:47 GMT
Another one: I think people are really missing out by not giving Indian cinema a chance. Our films can be so much more than typical song-and-dance potboilers, and mainstream Hindi cinema has provided some unique and very well-made films in the recent times. On top of that we also have some great regional films. A generic storyline doesn't matter as long as the filmmaking is on point and the actual writing is good. Lion is a much better film than Slumdog Millionaire. I didn't know much about Indian cinema, other than Satyajit Ray or older epics like Mother India, but the last few years I've been watching more and more newer Indian films and I can say with confidence that it's cinema is very good. Films like Udaan (2010), Piku (2015), Pink (2016) and Newton (2017) are among the best films of their year and the best 2019 film I've seen so far happens to be Indian ( Sonchiriya).
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Post by Drish on May 5, 2019 12:20:17 GMT
Another one: I think people are really missing out by not giving Indian cinema a chance. Our films can be so much more than typical song-and-dance potboilers, and mainstream Hindi cinema has provided some unique and very well-made films in the recent times. On top of that we also have some great regional films. A generic storyline doesn't matter as long as the filmmaking is on point and the actual writing is good. Lion is a much better film than Slumdog Millionaire. Yessss! And I believe many indian cinephiles are somewhat embarrassed with the song-and-dance routine our cinema has. I say, that's one of the many great things about it. We absolutely love it and it's something we've grown up watching. I've had so many American friends mock indian films breaking into random song and dance and they'll never understand we (at least me) love the shit out of it even at times, it does feel very random. So yeah, most indian films can be a regular song and dance potboilers and that's absolutely perfect! Oh, and I really believe I've never enjoyed ANY actor in the world than seeing 90's Govinda in his full form. So I'm all about the song and dance thing. 😋😍
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Aug 14, 2019 0:23:11 GMT
The word plebeian (aka. “Pleb”) is basically the high brow equivalent to “masterpiece.” It’s been tossed around so liberally, it’s lost any and all value and meaning as a word.
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 25, 2019 11:31:57 GMT
That the Triple Crown of acting (Oscar/Tony/Emmy) will eventually be seen as an obvious comparison point to the way we used to see (and still see for now) Oscar wins - it's not quite there yet but it's already started and with streaming blurring the lines between TV and cinema we are inching in that direction with each passing year.
Convinced of it ....
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Post by Archie on May 22, 2020 23:46:21 GMT
Reviving this thread because I have to get something off my chest. I would fucking love to see all these mediocre genre nerd idiots like Rian Johnson, Taika Waititi, and the rest be forced to write a plain old drama—no monsters, no pop culture parodies, no comic books, no mysteries, no superheroes, no robots, no time travel, no cool VFX, no “tee hee look at me playing with this genre” cuteness, no heightened reality, just normal characters having normal problems—because I suspect that they couldn’t do it. They cover themselves in bells and whistles because they can’t write an ordinary story to save their lives, and they know it. They’re not respectable filmmakers: they’re children playing with toys. But hell, what the fuck do I know? Film Twitter eats it all up so they must be doing something right.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on May 23, 2020 0:28:19 GMT
Reviving this thread because I have to get something off my chest. I would fucking love to see all these mediocre genre nerd idiots like Rian Johnson, Taika Waititi, and the rest be forced to write a plain old drama—no monsters, no pop culture parodies, no comic books, no mysteries, no superheroes, no robots, no time travel, no cool VFX, no “tee hee look at me playing with this genre” cuteness, no heightened reality, just normal characters having normal problems—because I suspect that they couldn’t do it. They cover themselves in bells and whistles because they can’t write an ordinary story to save their lives, and they know it. They’re not respectable filmmakers: they’re children playing with toys. But hell, what the fuck do I know? Film Twitter eats it all up so they must be doing something right. "We're going to subvert expectations by doing what Episode V did, only makes less sense and more shitty... then we're going to do Poirot, only it makes even less sense and more shitty..."
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Post by mhynson27 on May 23, 2020 3:15:17 GMT
Reviving this thread because I have to get something off my chest. I would fucking love to see all these mediocre genre nerd idiots like Rian Johnson, Taika Waititi, and the rest be forced to write a plain old drama—no monsters, no pop culture parodies, no comic books, no mysteries, no superheroes, no robots, no time travel, no cool VFX, no “tee hee look at me playing with this genre” cuteness, no heightened reality, just normal characters having normal problems—because I suspect that they couldn’t do it. They cover themselves in bells and whistles because they can’t write an ordinary story to save their lives, and they know it. They’re not respectable filmmakers: they’re children playing with toys. But hell, what the fuck do I know? Film Twitter eats it all up so they must be doing something right. Boy?
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Post by Christ_Ian_Bale on May 28, 2020 4:59:24 GMT
I'm sick of Ryan Reynolds. I'm sick of him still playing the same character he was nearly 20 years ago. I'm sick of his same "loveably condescending" line deliveries. I'm sick of Deadpool being applauded when he says "Hey, pop culture reference" for the 648346592457th time. I'm sick of him bagging on the same two movies that he signed up for that a lot of people probably worked hard on just so he can have a circlejerk with the internet. I'm sick of hearing about his "lol, trolling someone famous" posts on instagram. I'm sick of being told "But what about Buried?" as if it's something to be serviceable in a movie that's only remembered for its concept. I'm sick of his failed attempts at being an action star outside of a mask. I'm sick of his stupid movies. I'm sick of his stupid cameos. I'm sick of his voice. I'm sick of his goddamn face. I. Am. So. Fucking. Sick. Of. Ryan. Reynolds.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2020 6:46:58 GMT
But hell, what the fuck do I know? Film Twitter eats it all up so they must be doing something right. Film Twitter is literally hell dude
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Post by Pavan on May 28, 2020 7:05:20 GMT
Another one: I think people are really missing out by not giving Indian cinema a chance. Our films can be so much more than typical song-and-dance potboilers, and mainstream Hindi cinema has provided some unique and very well-made films in the recent times. On top of that we also have some great regional films. A generic storyline doesn't matter as long as the filmmaking is on point and the actual writing is good. Lion is a much better film than Slumdog Millionaire. Only possible when Indian filmmakers stops doing song and dance numbers and limits the run time.
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Post by Pavan on May 28, 2020 7:08:54 GMT
Another one: I think people are really missing out by not giving Indian cinema a chance. Our films can be so much more than typical song-and-dance potboilers, and mainstream Hindi cinema has provided some unique and very well-made films in the recent times. On top of that we also have some great regional films. A generic storyline doesn't matter as long as the filmmaking is on point and the actual writing is good. Lion is a much better film than Slumdog Millionaire. Yessss! And I believe many indian cinephiles are somewhat embarrassed with the song-and-dance routine our cinema has. I say, that's one of the many great things about it. We absolutely love it and it's something we've grown up watching. I've had so many American friends mock indian films breaking into random song and dance and they'll never understand we (at least me) love the shit out of it even at times, it does feel very random. So yeah, most indian films can be a regular song and dance potboilers and that's absolutely perfect! Oh, and I really believe I've never enjoyed ANY actor in the world than seeing 90's Govinda in his full form. So I'm all about the song and dance thing. 😋😍 Govinda is nothing in front of South Indian actors who are really, really good dancers Of course Hrithik is the best in all of India though.
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Post by Miles Morales on May 28, 2020 11:02:26 GMT
Doctor Sleep is one of the better horror films of the last decade.
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Post by Drish on May 28, 2020 14:03:47 GMT
Another one: I think people are really missing out by not giving Indian cinema a chance. Our films can be so much more than typical song-and-dance potboilers, and mainstream Hindi cinema has provided some unique and very well-made films in the recent times. On top of that we also have some great regional films. A generic storyline doesn't matter as long as the filmmaking is on point and the actual writing is good. Lion is a much better film than Slumdog Millionaire. Only possible when Indian filmmakers stops doing song and dance numbers and limits the run time. Disagree! That's the essence of our cinema. A movie like Queen or Haider wouldn't have the kind of effect it had had it not been for some of those beautiful songs. Yes, they should stop the randomness of it and only keep it where required but completely doing away with it is not the solution. And @piku, who cares if people don't give a chance to our kind of cinema (which I think they do and they love watching our cinema. This board doesn't constitute for all over the world). We love it and to hell with everyone else (sorry, I'm very touchy when it comes to indian films )
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Post by stephen on May 28, 2020 14:08:32 GMT
I'm sick of Ryan Reynolds. I'm sick of him still playing the same character he was nearly 20 years ago. I'm sick of his same "loveably condescending" line deliveries. I'm sick of Deadpool being applauded when he says "Hey, pop culture reference" for the 648346592457th time. I'm sick of him bagging on the same two movies that he signed up for that a lot of people probably worked hard on just so he can have a circlejerk with the internet. I'm sick of hearing about his "lol, trolling someone famous" posts on instagram. I'm sick of being told "But what about Buried?" as if it's something to be serviceable in a movie that's only remembered for its concept. I'm sick of his failed attempts at being an action star outside of a mask. I'm sick of his stupid movies. I'm sick of his stupid cameos. I'm sick of his voice. I'm sick of his goddamn face. I. Am. So. Fucking. Sick. Of. Ryan. Reynolds. But what about Buried?
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Post by Christ_Ian_Bale on May 28, 2020 16:13:30 GMT
I'm sick of Ryan Reynolds. I'm sick of him still playing the same character he was nearly 20 years ago. I'm sick of his same "loveably condescending" line deliveries. I'm sick of Deadpool being applauded when he says "Hey, pop culture reference" for the 648346592457th time. I'm sick of him bagging on the same two movies that he signed up for that a lot of people probably worked hard on just so he can have a circlejerk with the internet. I'm sick of hearing about his "lol, trolling someone famous" posts on instagram. I'm sick of being told "But what about Buried?" as if it's something to be serviceable in a movie that's only remembered for its concept. I'm sick of his failed attempts at being an action star outside of a mask. I'm sick of his stupid movies. I'm sick of his stupid cameos. I'm sick of his voice. I'm sick of his goddamn face. I. Am. So. Fucking. Sick. Of. Ryan. Reynolds. But what about Buried?
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Post by Pavan on May 28, 2020 19:06:20 GMT
Only possible when Indian filmmakers stops doing song and dance numbers and limits the run time. Disagree! That's the essence of our cinema. A movie like Queen or Haider wouldn't have the kind of effect it had had it not been for some of those beautiful songs. Yes, they should stop the randomness of it and only keep it where required but completely doing away with it is not the solution. And @piku, who cares if people don't give a chance to our kind of cinema (which I think they do and they love watching our cinema. This board doesn't constitute for all over the world). We love it and to hell with everyone else (sorry, I'm very touchy when it comes to indian films ) It irks me when actors randomly break into dance or transport into some European setting. I don't have a problem when songs are used in a montage.
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