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Post by Viced on Feb 20, 2019 21:34:55 GMT
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Feb 20, 2019 21:48:30 GMT
GREAT NEWS!! #IBelieveWoody
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Post by DeepArcher on Feb 20, 2019 22:01:33 GMT
Hard pass.
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Post by LaraQ on Feb 20, 2019 22:08:26 GMT
It's going to be fascinating to see which actors sign on to this.He used to have his pick of talent back in the day.As it's shooting in Spain I'm guessing Penelope Cruz and Javier Bardem might be in it.They've both defended Woody in the past.
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Post by chris3 on Feb 20, 2019 22:16:49 GMT
I still personally believe he's innocent and respect those who don't, but I will never, ever watch another Woody Allen movie after the atrocity that was Cafe Society. Wonder Wheel looked even worse so I didn't bother. I think Midnight in Paris is bound to become the final gem in his filmography.
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Post by Mattsby on Feb 20, 2019 22:18:26 GMT
WA returning to Europe is smart. Altho if he stays foreign for the next, I hope he does something in Sweden which he's teased before.
If you look at the BO for Wonder Wheel - it made more money in Spain, Italy, and France, apiece, than in the US!! His european audience hasn't flagged and WA's three best this century, arguably, were Euro set - Match Point, Midnight in Paris, VC Barcelona. Bardem, who defended WA recently, maybe there's a role for him?
As for Rainy Day in NY - screw Amazon, I hope Sony or somebody picks it up and goes wide. From the little I know of the plot it sounds pretty Altmanesque.
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Post by Viced on Feb 20, 2019 22:25:33 GMT
I still personally believe he's innocent and respect those who don't, but I will never, ever watch another Woody Allen movie after the atrocity that was Cafe Society. Pretty weird stance considering Cafe Society is a 6ish/10 and Woody has made plenty of meh movies throughout his career.
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Post by Javi on Feb 20, 2019 22:27:50 GMT
Yeah, betting Bardem and Cruz star. And every Spanish-speaking actor from Ricardo Darin to Cecilia Roth to Gael Garcia Bernal would gladly work with him.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 20, 2019 22:34:02 GMT
I don't get people sometimes - if you believe he's innocent and have loved much of his work why wouldn't you see everything he does now and if possible in the theater. It's a moral issue really, ok, maybe you don't have money or something but otherwise: if you are going to avoid Polanski regardless of quality (I don't - but I understand if you feel that way) then why not put your money where your mouth is for an artist regardless of quality - again, if you feel he's innocent or has gotten a raw deal.
Wonder Wheel wasn't that great but was a fascinating Allen film both for what worked in it and what failed. This may be the last film he gets out, it's representative of something else to support him now. I'll pay to see it twice really.......
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Post by bob-coppola on Feb 20, 2019 22:38:33 GMT
Hope Bardem and Cruz join in. Maybe Antonio Banderas as well?
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Post by stephen on Feb 20, 2019 22:41:19 GMT
I still personally believe he's innocent and respect those who don't, but I will never, ever watch another Woody Allen movie after the atrocity that was Cafe Society. Pretty weird stance considering Cafe Society is a 6ish/10 and Woody has made plenty of meh movies throughout his career. I always find it weird that Allen fans don't seem to like Cafe Society. I don't care much for Woody Allen (as a filmmaker; has nothing to do with the controversy), and yet that one really worked for me.
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Post by chris3 on Feb 20, 2019 22:43:37 GMT
I still personally believe he's innocent and respect those who don't, but I will never, ever watch another Woody Allen movie after the atrocity that was Cafe Society. Pretty weird stance considering Cafe Society is a 6ish/10 and Woody has made plenty of meh movies throughout his career. Not to me. I'd rate Cafe Society about a 2/10, second only to Whatever Works as the worst film of his career. He has made a lot of 'meh' movies (even during his glory days), but the ratio of good to meh was at worst 1:1, whereas now it seems like everything is either meh or downright awful.
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Post by MsMovieStar on Feb 20, 2019 22:59:16 GMT
Oh honey, I've still to see Wonder Wheel...
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Post by Christ_Ian_Bale on Feb 20, 2019 23:14:36 GMT
I still personally believe he's innocent Agree! Absolutely! Oh, okay. To each their own, I suppose. Go fuck yourself.
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Post by Martin Stett on Feb 21, 2019 0:14:20 GMT
I still personally believe he's innocent and respect those who don't, but I will never, ever watch another Woody Allen movie after the atrocity that was Cafe Society. Wonder Wheel looked even worse so I didn't bother. I think Midnight in Paris is bound to become the final gem in his filmography. Pretty weird stance considering that it's the best WA movie since Match Point and possibly earlier yet (although I'm missing his whole 90's output).
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Post by chris3 on Feb 21, 2019 1:50:55 GMT
Pretty weird stance considering that it's the best WA movie since Match Point and possibly earlier yet (although I'm missing his whole 90's output). I'm pretty surprised by all this Cafe Society love on the board. I'm glad his work is still relevant to a lot of his fans. I absolutely love his output from the 70s to 90s, and he made some good films in the 2000s too, but honestly I find the majority of his work this decade to be almost unwatchable, like he's completely stopped giving a shit and is sleepwalking through the entire process, from the writing to the film shoot (this isn't really new) to the final edit. It gives me no pleasure to say this since I'm a huge fan. I got into his filmography as a teen in the early 2000s while he was in the middle of a career low having just made a string of frivolous comedies like Small Time Crooks (which I love), The Curse of the Jade Scorpion, and Hollywood Ending. Match Point revived his critical standing, but even that supposed low point of the late 90s-early 00s had some really good films. I don't feel that way about anything he's done recently, and I guess Cafe Society was particularly disappointing since it was fairly well-received and I basically disliked everything about it and particularly found Eisenberg's Woody Allen to be by far the most gratingly annoying Woody Allen ever, even worse than Branagh's in Celebrity. Still, Allen's film legacy is beyond dispute so the fact that I've soured on his recent work is small potatoes compared to my love for the rest of his films, but yeah, not a Cafe Society fan in the slightest.
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Post by Mattsby on Feb 21, 2019 2:47:34 GMT
Re-posting some of my thoughts on Cafe Society / Wonder Wheel as to defend them a little!.......
WW -- I think the big problem smeared over the whole thing is Timberlake, his weak, anodyne character and his unconvincing performance..... otherwise the visuals are dynamite (beautiful, moody, colorful, crisp) and yes, it's indebted to Odets, there are a few predictable narrative moves, but Winslet is downright terrific and improves the whole thing, in how she's balancing an aching and angry hypertension, with her busy tight eyes, with a gloomy almost lovely wistful quality. She's my #2 behind Fran for 2017.
Cafe -- I do think it’s low-tier WA, probably around my bottom-five for him, almost 6/10 for me bc I found enough of it amusing. It’s ultimately an unsuccessful attempt at something more expansive and ambitious. The cast is surprisingly bland (Eisenberg and Carell, two actors I really like) but Stewart and Lively are both good. There’s one scene I love which is the coat-check scene with Carell/Stewart which is genuinely funny and tense and hits that tonal sweet-spot. There’s also the prostitute scene that most critics bash but I thought it highlighted the themes of the movie very well, it’s a classic WA “tergiversating” scene - to sleep with her or not - and how Eisenberg’s indecisiveness has already ruined either outcome, what’s left is a piquing indifference. That plays into the “two options” dilemma hovering around the character - Stewart vs Lively, NY vs LA. But overall there's a slickness that feels shallow instead of serving and heightening the ambition. So I agree that’s less than stellar, but I don’t think it’s that bad at all.
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Post by eyebrowmorroco on Feb 21, 2019 12:10:27 GMT
Cafe Society + Wonder Wheel = purple patch
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Post by Zeb31 on Feb 21, 2019 12:26:54 GMT
Café Society is damn great and I will hear none of this heresy.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Feb 21, 2019 12:45:13 GMT
Good news. Personally, I have a hard time believing Dylan Farrow. I think she has been "manipulated" / "brainwashed" by Mia Farrow just like Moses Farrow said. There are way too many fishy things in her story. Just my 2 cents.
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Post by bob-coppola on Feb 21, 2019 14:23:42 GMT
Good news. Personally, I have a hard time believing Dylan Farrow. I think she has been "manipulated" by Mia Farrow just like Moses Farrow said. There are way too many fishy things in her story. Just my 2 cents. This. I do believe that Dylan truly believes her story, but that's it. I tend not to believe in "crazy ex-girlfriend" narratives, but there's just so many weird coincidences and holes in Mia Farrow's story that... Ugh, we'll never know.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 21, 2019 23:28:15 GMT
Well if it starred Huppert and Bardem that would be the greatest actress ever and arguably the most gifted actor currently for one of my top filmmakers who could use the support of his fans ..........but I'll wait until the reviews because you know Wonder Wheel didn't get good reviews. Nah, just kidding......
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 22, 2019 13:57:23 GMT
There's some fascinating details leaking about how the financing for this film came together (in addition to cast rumors) - it's interesting these GOAT filmmakers in their 70s/80s (Allen, Scorsese, Polanski) are piecing together deals outside the US or their traditional production sources mix and matching.
Yes, 2 of those are out of scandal necessity but it's kind of fascinating still how they come together and it makes you wonder if this will be just another Allen film or a major personal project like the Scorsese and Polanski............and makes me wonder how can FFC (on the cusp of 80) could see what is happening right now with his peers in this way and the streaming opportunities and not want in for his own project?
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Post by Javi on Feb 23, 2019 0:56:21 GMT
A movie starring Bardem and Huppert, arguably Europe's greatest actors... together? Sounds way too good to be true, but we'll see.
If they'd made this a few years ago this might've become Huppert's Oscar vehicle...
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Post by Leo_The_Last on Mar 24, 2019 4:13:06 GMT
At the moment, Isabelle Huppert is starring in The Mother Off Broadway, and apparently Woody was in the audience and later they talked to each other. Could mean nothing. Or...
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