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Post by no on Nov 25, 2017 4:33:16 GMT
I am for preservation of art throughout history and not for simply judt pretend they never existed... but lets say you are given the ability to go back and stop a movie from ever being made and/or released... what movie would that be?
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Post by atn on Nov 25, 2017 5:13:09 GMT
snow white and the seven dwarves if it would destroy disney
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 25, 2017 18:08:01 GMT
I'll probably get killed for this but the 70s were rolling along quite wonderfully until Star Wars came out and single-handedly created multiple generations of weirdo man-children with a love of fuzzy space narratives that they could pretend was you know, um, interesting.
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Post by Miles Morales on Nov 25, 2017 18:10:47 GMT
Son of the Mask and Transformers 2
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Post by Miles Morales on Nov 25, 2017 18:13:03 GMT
snow white and the seven dwarves if it would destroy disney As a Pixar and WDAS fan, I can't let this happen.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Nov 25, 2017 18:38:37 GMT
Though Griffith's The Birth of a Nation is incredibly significant to the medium of film, seeing Griffith's work before and immediately after the film makes it apparent he was on to a lot of those advances in technique anyway and the demonstrative appeal of film for audiences is strong enough that I doubt the film's place in establishing the art form as credible and marketable would suddenly disappear entirely. Meanwhile, it'd be taking away a film that worked significantly as a recruitment tool for the KKK for decades and re-affirmed racist sentiments for the largest film audience until Gone with the Wind.
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Post by stephen on Nov 25, 2017 18:44:39 GMT
Though Griffith's The Birth of a Nation is incredibly significant to the medium of film, seeing Griffith's work before and immediately after the film makes it apparent he was on to a lot of those advances in technique anyway and the demonstrative appeal of film for audiences is strong enough that I doubt the film's place in establishing the art form as creditable and marketable would suddenly disappear entirely. Meanwhile, it'd be taking away a film that worked significantly as a recruitment tool for the KKK for decades and re-affirmed racist sentiments for the largest film audience until Gone with the Wind. I'm not one for erasing art or cinema regardless of the message, but yeah, this one would be Public Enemy #1 if I had to do it.
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Post by ibbi on Nov 25, 2017 21:22:49 GMT
The Conqueror (for a variety of reasons)
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Post by atn on Nov 25, 2017 22:03:39 GMT
Gaspar Noé's Irréversiblewtf, why? fantastic film also lmao >trying to reverse that which is... well... irreversable... had to be said
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Post by no on Nov 25, 2017 22:18:49 GMT
Gaspar Noé's IrréversibleYeah go ahead and erase an anti-revenge/ anti-rape thriller before you erase nazi propaganda.
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Post by no on Nov 25, 2017 22:42:02 GMT
anti-revenge/ anti-rape thriller
Lol how stupid are you? It's anything but anti-. It's actually pro-revenge, pro-rape, violence porn. Explains why Noé made sure the rape scene was shot with a still camera on the ground and made sure it didnt jerk around too much as he personally said something on the lines of that a moving camera would support the rapists actions and a still camera highlights the horrors of rape... hu doesn't it? Now if it is pro-revenge, why would it be pro-rape? You are suggesting that the film supports taking revenge (on the wrong person) for someone who did something the film also supports? If the film is just violent porn, why is the violence limited to 2 or 3 scenes, and the rest focuses on the psychology of the characters?
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Post by Lord_Buscemi on Nov 25, 2017 22:46:31 GMT
anti-revenge/ anti-rape thriller
Lol how stupid are you? It's anything but anti-. It's actually pro-revenge, pro-rape, violence porn. Elaborate on how it is pro-revenge/pro-rape, the latter of which is especially a mindbogglingly inane estimation.
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Post by atn on Nov 25, 2017 22:49:01 GMT
anti-revenge/ anti-rape thriller
Lol how stupid are you? It's anything but anti-. It's actually pro-revenge, pro-rape, violence porn. Yknow how the entire film is structured specifically so that the revenge scene is not a satisfactory payoff? I think you might've missed the entire point mate
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Post by atn on Nov 25, 2017 22:53:15 GMT
anti-revenge/ anti-rape thriller
Lol how stupid are you? It's anything but anti-. It's actually pro-revenge, pro-rape, violence porn. Should we be worried that you watched Irreversible and took away "yep, rape is good based on Noe's depiction of it" or nah?
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Post by stephen on Nov 25, 2017 23:58:35 GMT
Harry and Tonto, so Michael Corleone or Jake gittes could win best actor Don't hate the player, hate the game.
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Post by no on Nov 26, 2017 0:06:02 GMT
Yknow how the entire film is structured specifically so that the revenge scene is not a satisfactory payoff? I think you might've missed the entire point mate "revenge scene is not a satisfactory payoff" It is not. Yet the revenge is there in its full glory and in that furious moment the importance of a payoff is zero. Yet there's satisfaction just in that torturous moment. It's so not an anti-revenge film. If it is pro-revenge, you'd kinda expect them to well... successfully take revenge.
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Post by no on Nov 26, 2017 0:09:35 GMT
It is a disgusting, misogynistic, homophobic, violent exploitation film. And nobody would make me believe that that horrifying head smashing and that disgusting rape scenes are there to make a point against them. They may look like it on surface, the director may as well deceive you. But they are not. The camera whether it's moving or not enjoys the torture in the film. Period. It is made to be talked about, it is made for a personal gratification as this infamous, l'enfant terrible director. I said pro-rape up there because it's use in this film is an infliction not a depiction. It's a sick film through and through and I'm sad there are so many fans of it. Sorry. So basically because you can't stomach it, we should automatically assume the director is a liar with malicious intentions.
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Post by Lord_Buscemi on Nov 26, 2017 0:31:28 GMT
Yknow how the entire film is structured specifically so that the revenge scene is not a satisfactory payoff? I think you might've missed the entire point mate "revenge scene is not a satisfactory payoff" It is not. Yet the revenge is there in its full glory and in that furious moment the importance of a payoff is zero. Yet there's satisfaction just in that torturous moment. It's so not an anti-revenge film. Portraying a gruesome act in all its uncensored grotesquery doesn't make the film pro-revenge. This makes no sense at all. If anything, shying away from displaying such things would be an act of cowardice, to underplay the events.
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Post by atn on Nov 26, 2017 0:33:54 GMT
It is a disgusting, misogynistic, homophobic, violent exploitation film. And nobody would make me believe that that horrifying head smashing and that disgusting rape scenes are there to make a point against them. They may look like it on surface, the director may as well deceive you. But they are not. The camera whether it's moving or not enjoys the torture in the film. Period. It is made to be talked about, it is made for a personal gratification as this infamous, l'enfant terrible director. I said pro-rape up there because it's use in this film is an infliction not a depiction. It's a sick film through and through and I'm sad there are so many fans of it. Sorry. "It is a disgusting," Agreed. Violent rape is disgusting. "misogynistic," How? The purest character is a female victim of a male rapist. The other men are vengeful murderers. If anyone's portrayed in a negative light it's men. "homophobic," I don't think the film implies a causal relationship between homosexuality and rapists... Really just happenstance "violent" Yep. Rape and murder are violent. "exploitation film." How on Earth could you think this? The revenge is unsatisfactorily placed at the beginning of the film for the very purpose of making it non exploitative. The rape is shown with absolutely no flash or flair, not accentuated or dramaticized in any way. It is simply depicted as is. Horrific and cold. "And nobody would make me believe that that horrifying head smashing and that disgusting rape scenes are there to make a point against them." Well, if no one is going to make you believe then no one is going to make you believe, but I think a casual viewer would easily come to that conclusion. Listening to Noe on the film further solidifies it. "They may look like it on surface, the director may as well deceive you. But they are not. The camera whether it's moving or not enjoys the torture in the film. Period." The camera doesn't "enjoy" anything. Maybe some particularly sick viewers enjoyed a rape scene but that's more on them than the film. I'm sure there were a few Nazis out there who got a hard on when Edward Norton curb stomped a black man in American History X. Don't think that means it's an exploitative scene for the pleasure of the audience. "It's made to be talked about, it is made for a personal gratification as this infamous," I think you might have some particularly awful people in your life if you think there was personal gratification to be had from that scene. "I said pro-rape up there because it's use in this film is an infliction not a depiction." Not sure what you're getting at here. Can I ask, what depiction of rape is just a depiction, not an "infliction?" And what is the significant difference? "It's a sick film through and through and I'm sad there are so many fans of it. Sorry." It's a film about sick people and horrific violence, and makes one of the best cases against its subject matter I've ever seen. If you think fans of the film are getting pleasure out if its rape and revenge I really question your view of humanity. You don't need to like the film, but to assume such bad faith on the part of others is really unhealthy. Happy Thanksgiving :*
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Post by FrancescoAbides on Nov 26, 2017 0:34:53 GMT
I don't know, probably all the movies based on video-games, just to wash that "curse" ("movies based on video games are shit" bla bla bla). It would be a fresh start for all of us I guess.
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Post by atn on Nov 26, 2017 0:36:28 GMT
I don't know, probably all the movies based on video-games, just to wash that "curse" ("movies based on video games are shit" bla bla bla). It would be a fresh start for all of us I guess. The latest Resident Evil tho
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Post by FrancescoAbides on Nov 26, 2017 0:42:08 GMT
I don't know, probably all the movies based on video-games, just to wash that "curse" ("movies based on video games are shit" bla bla bla). It would be a fresh start for all of us I guess. The latest Resident Evil tho I legit liked that movie. The Resident Evil movies are my guilty pleasure. I would love to see a TV series about the franchise, it would probably shit on The Walking Dead if done right....if
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Post by atn on Nov 26, 2017 0:44:43 GMT
The latest Resident Evil tho I legit liked that movie. The Resident Evil movies are my guilty pleasure. I would love to see a TV series about the franchise, it would probably shit on The Walking Dead if done right....if I legit loved that movie, sooo. Not a guilty pleasure either lol
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Post by FrancescoAbides on Nov 26, 2017 0:47:38 GMT
I legit liked that movie. The Resident Evil movies are my guilty pleasure. I would love to see a TV series about the franchise, it would probably shit on The Walking Dead if done right....if I legit loved that movie, sooo. Not a guilty pleasure either lol Yes, it's contradictory, that's my point. I have a strong love/hate relationship with those movies.
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Post by atn on Nov 26, 2017 0:47:59 GMT
Aw man didn't want any hurt feelings
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