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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 19, 2024 21:39:46 GMT
Thoughts on this selection of 5 best actors of each decade from the 1940's up to the 2010's? closeupculture.com/2023/06/01/5-best-actors-of-each-decade/1940s5. John Wayne (Fort Apache, Fort Apache, Sands of Iwo Jima)4. Henry Fonda (The Grapes of Wrath, The Lady Eve, My Darling Clementine)3. Cary Grant (The Philadelphia Story, His Girl Friday, Notorious)2. James Stewart (The Philadelphia Story, It’s a Wonderful Life, Rope)1. Humphrey Bogart (The Maltese Falcon, Casablanca, The Big Sleep)1950s5. Humphrey Bogart (The African Queen, Sabrina, The Harder They Fall)4. Cary Grant (To Catch A Thief, North By Northwest, People Will Talk)3. John Wayne (Rio Bravo, The Searchers, Hondo)2. James Stewart (Harvey, Rear Window, Vertigo)1. Marlon Brando (On The Waterfront, A Streetcar Named Desire, Guys And Dolls)1960s5. Paul Newman (Cool Hand Luke, The Hustler, Hud)4. John Wayne (True Grit, The Longest Day, The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance)3. Richard Burton (Becket, Who’s Afraid Of Virginia Wolf, The Spy Who Came In From The Cold)2. Clint Eastwood (For A Few More Dollars, A Fistful Of Dollars, The Good The Bad And The Ugly)1. Sidney Poitier (A Raisin In The Sun, In The Heat Of The Night, To Sir With Love)1970s5. Robert Redford (Three Days Of The Condor, All The President’s Men, Butch Cassidy And The Sundance Kid)4. Dustin Hoffman (All The President’s Men, Marathon Man, Little Big Man)3. Al Pacino (The Godfather, Dog Day Afternoon, Serpico)2. Jack Nicholson (One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest, Chinatown, Five Easy Pieces)1. Robert De Niro (Taxi Driver, Mean Streets, The Deer Hunter)1980s5. William Hurt (Kiss of the Spider Woman, Children of a Lesser God, Broadcast News)4. Jack Nicholson (The Shining, Reds, Terms Of Endearment)3. Tom Cruise (Top Gun, Rain Man, Born on the Fourth of July)2. Harrison Ford (Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back, Blade Runner, Indiana Jones And The Temple Of Doom)1. Robert De Niro (Raging Bull, The King Of Comedy, Once Upon a Time in America)1990s5. Anthony Hopkins (The Silence Of The Lambs, Nixon, The Remains Of The Day)4. Robert De Niro (Casino, Goodfellas, Heat)3. Denzel Washington (Malcolm X, Devil In A Blue Dress, Philadelphia)2. Tom Hanks (Forest Gump, Saving Private Ryan, Apollo 13)1. Morgan Freeman (Seven, The Shawshank Redemption, Unforgiven)2000s5. Matt Damon (The Departed, The Bourne Ultimatum, Ocean’s Eleven)4. Russell Crowe (Gladiator, A Beautiful Mind, American Gangster)3. Philip Seymour Hoffman (Synecdoche New York, Doubt, Capote)2. Daniel Day Lewis (Gangs Of New York, There Will Be Blood)1. Denzel Washington (American Gangster, Training Day, Inside Man)2010s5. Ryan Gosling (La La Land, Blade Runner 2049, Drive)4. Jake Gyllenhaal (Prisoners, Nightcrawler, Nocturnal Animals)3. Matthew McConaughey (Interstellar, Dallas Buyers Club, Killer Joe)2. Joaquin Phoenix (Her, Joker, The Master)1. Leonardo DiCaprio (The Revenant, The Wolf Of Wall Street, Once Upon A Time In Hollywood)
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Post by franklin on Apr 19, 2024 23:06:09 GMT
Nah, Matt Damon over DiCaprio in the 2000s??? Absolutely not.
I would even put him in fourth position above Russell Crowe.
(Catch Me If You Can, The Aviator, The Departed, Blood Diamond, Revolutionary Road)
Christian Bale deserves to be put in the top 3 in the 2010s.
(The Fighter, American Hustle, The Big Short, Vice)
And also in fifth or fourth position in the 2000s, in my opinion in that decade he gave two all-time level performances (American Psycho and The Machinist).
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 19, 2024 23:21:24 GMT
My thoughts: Bit too much John Wayne for my liking ( did he really need to be in the 60's as well?), but I understand he's always had a section of people who think he's a great film actor. And his longevity was unquestionable.
1940's was strong. Should have found room for James Cagney though.
Thought the 1950's could have been more reflective of the post-war change in acting styles, as opposed to just keeping mostly the same guys from the 1940's and adding Marlon Brando ( who of course should have been there). Kirk Douglas should have been there. Maybe Alec Guinness & James Mason as well.
Glad not to see Laurence Olivier in the 40's or 50's. Much of his film acting is dated.
1960's solid. Eastwood too high, but can live with him in top 5. Poitier, Newman and Burton are great picks. Should have had George C Scott.
1970's great picks. I'd switch out Redford for Gene Hackman personally, but Redford had a great decade and gave some strong performances, so don't begrudge him.
1980's ....inspired pick for William Hurt, who absolutely deserves a spot for that decade. I think as iconic a star as he was in that decade, the Harrison Ford pick might be a little generous, though I can understand it. The Tom Cruise pick is extremely generous. Someone like Mickey Rourke makes more sense to me. Great #1 pick in DeNiro.
1990's is almost perfect actually. All these actors did some of their best work this decade. Everyone there deserves a spot and Freeman is a solid #1.
2000's is great. Love the inspired Matt Damon pick. Russell Crowe obvioiusly, Philip Seymour Hoffman obviously, Daniel Day-Lewis obviously, and Denzel Washington at #1 is a no brainer as well.
2010's is strong as well. All these actors had strong decades. I might have kept Washington in there and made room for Christian Bale, but no complaints otherwise.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Apr 19, 2024 23:42:51 GMT
For the 1990s, I would move Freeman down to #3 and have Hanks at #1 (because he won back to back Oscars and was the box-office king during his 90s run) and Denzel at #2. He’s behind those gentlemen imo. Totally agree with the 2000s. For 2010s, I would take out Gosling or Gyllenhall for Denzel (Flight, Fences, Roman J. Israel, Esq.,etc). Other than that, hard to argue with the others.
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 19, 2024 23:52:48 GMT
For the 1990s, I would move Freeman down to #3 and have Hanks at #1 and Denzel at #2. He’s behind those gentlemen imo. Totally agree with the 2000s. Whilst I have no issue with them picking Freeman for #1 in the 90's (because he really cemented his legacy as an all-time great with his run that decade with Unforgiven, The Shawshank Redemption, Seven, Amistad etc), he wouldn't be my personal pick for the top spot. I think #1 in the 90's is pretty interchangeable between Washington & Hanks for me.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Apr 20, 2024 0:02:14 GMT
For the 1990s, I would move Freeman down to #3 and have Hanks at #1 and Denzel at #2. He’s behind those gentlemen imo. Totally agree with the 2000s. Whilst I have no issue with them picking Freeman for #1 in the 90's (because he really cemented his legacy as an all-time great with his run that decade with Unforgiven, The Shawshank Redemption, Seven, Amistad etc), he wouldn't be my personal pick for the top spot. I think #1 in the 90's is pretty interchangeable between Washington & Hanks for me. Oh of course! Freeman’s 90s work is amazing and The Shawshank Redemption is an all-timer. Can see why this author would have him #1 for sure. Just that Washington and Hanks in the 90s were a step above.
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 20, 2024 0:19:20 GMT
I wish they could have taken some of that excess admiration for John Wayne, and given his spot to Toshiro Mifune for the 1950's and 1960's.
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Post by futuretrunks on Apr 20, 2024 6:56:58 GMT
I think Leo being #1 of the 2010s is weird, given that while he's good in OUATIH/Django/Shutter Island, he's only comparably as great as his best 2000s work like The Departed/Blood Diamond/Catch Me If You Can/Revolutionary Road in a single film (WoWS). He makes much more sense to me as #1 of the 2000s, with there not being a clear #1 at all in the 2010s, given the massive decline in the quality of cinema all around, that's affected everyone. There's this weird narrative in some spaces that DiCaprio flipped a switch in the 2010s, and I completely disagree. His work in stuff like The Basketball Diaries or Catch Me If You Can or his 2006 triumphs defines his genius as much as anything. Shit like The Revenant means nothing to me, Oscar or not.
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Post by Nikan on Apr 20, 2024 7:08:41 GMT
Wish they did it w.o repetition. Lower the Waynes (whom I'm baffled to realize what a legdndary career he had just now); give the spots to Mitchum, K. Douglas, Clift and Lancaster.
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 20, 2024 7:25:37 GMT
I think Leo being #1 of the 2010s is weird, given that while he's good in OUATIH/Django/Shutter Island, he's only comparably as great as his best 2000s work like The Departed/Blood Diamond/Catch Me If You Can/Revolutionary Road in a single film (WoWS). He makes much more sense to me as #1 of the 2000s, with there not being a clear #1 at all in the 2010s, given the massive decline in the quality of cinema all around, that's affected everyone. There's this weird narrative in some spaces that DiCaprio flipped a switch in the 2010s, and I completely disagree. His work in stuff like The Basketball Diaries or Catch Me If You Can or his 2006 triumphs defines his genius as much as anything. Shit like The Revenant means nothing to me, Oscar or not. I think in the 2000's, a lot of people were still unconvinced by DiCaprio. Getting arguably miscast and completely blown off the screen by Daniel Day-Lewis in Gangs Of New York isn't going to help his cause in winning the decade. I think he was pretty good in The Aviator, but again, a lot of people still feel he was miscast as Howard Hughes . I thought Damon was stronger in The Departed....couldn't get into his Blood Diamond work because I found the accent off-putting. His most convincing performance in the 2000's was probably Catch Me If You Can. But yeah, I think his 2000's was very much a mixed bag for him and very much an actor still maturing, finding himselg and making mistakes. I couldn't justify him winning that decade at all, and I still think him missing top 5 isn't a travesty, when you have guys like Javier Bardem missing. You can't put him over guys who never missed in that decade like Denzel, Crowe and PSH. I'm one of those people who began to see a greater maturity and consistency in the 2010's (where J. Edgar was his only big miscast). Incredible work in Django Unchained and The Wolf Of Wall Street. Handles his buisness like a pro in Shutter Island, The Great Gatsby and Inception. Gets his Oscar for The Revenant and finishes the decade strongly with Once Upon A Time In Hollywood. It's just a much more convincing run for most people than the 2000's, and I think he's a worthy #1 for the 2010's.
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 20, 2024 7:44:12 GMT
Wish they did it w.o repetition. Lower the Waynes (whom I'm baffled to realize what a legdndary career he had just now); give the spots to Mitchum, K. Douglas, Clift and Lancaster. I'm ok with repetition. I just don't think John Wayne, of all people, merited repitition in 3 decades (maybe just give him a spot the 1940's if you must and keep it moving. But even in the 1940's, all the others deserve their spots, and Wayne should not be there over James Cagney). But Robert DeNiro deserved to be mentioned in 3 decades. Denzel deserved to be mentioned in 2 decades (more actually). I got no problem with Jack Nicholson featuring in the 70's and 80's. Or Stewart in the 40's & 50's. I don't think Cary Grant & Bogart needed to repeat in the 50's either though. Actors like Clift, Lancaster, Mitchum, Douglas were doing work that was much more in key to the evolution of American screen acting in that decade.
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Post by futuretrunks on Apr 20, 2024 8:16:24 GMT
I think Leo being #1 of the 2010s is weird, given that while he's good in OUATIH/Django/Shutter Island, he's only comparably as great as his best 2000s work like The Departed/Blood Diamond/Catch Me If You Can/Revolutionary Road in a single film (WoWS). He makes much more sense to me as #1 of the 2000s, with there not being a clear #1 at all in the 2010s, given the massive decline in the quality of cinema all around, that's affected everyone. There's this weird narrative in some spaces that DiCaprio flipped a switch in the 2010s, and I completely disagree. His work in stuff like The Basketball Diaries or Catch Me If You Can or his 2006 triumphs defines his genius as much as anything. Shit like The Revenant means nothing to me, Oscar or not. I think in the 2000's, a lot of people were still unconvinced by DiCaprio. Getting arguably miscast and completely blown off the screen by Daniel Day-Lewis in Gangs Of New York isn't going to help his cause in winning the decade. I think he was pretty good in The Aviator, but again, a lot of people still feel he was miscast as Howard Hughes . I thought Damon was stronger in The Departed....couldn't get into his Blood Diamond work because I found the accent off-putting. His most convincing performance in the 2000's was probably Catch Me If You Can. But yeah, I think his 2000's was very much a mixed bag for him and very much an actor still maturing, finding himselg and making mistakes. I couldn't justify him winning that decade at all, and I still think him missing top 5 isn't a travesty, when you have guys like Javier Bardem missing. You can't put him over guys who never missed in that decade like Denzel, Crowe and PSH. I'm one of those people who began to find see a greater maturity and consistency in the 2010's (where J. Edgar was his only big miscast). Incredible work in Django Unchained and The Wolf Of Wall Street. Handles his buisness like a pro in Shutter Island and Inception. Gets his Oscar for The Revenant and finishes the decade strongly with Once Upon A Time In Hollywood. It's just a much more convincing run for most people than the 2000's, and I think he's a worthy #1 for the 2010's. I think we just don't fundamentally agree on DiCaprio's talents. Blood Diamond is a monstrously good performance, for me; I'd take it over Denzel in anything besides Training Day or The Hurricane, without question, same with Revolutionary Road, and Denzel is a top 5 screen actor to me. Despite DDL clobbering Leo in GoNY, and being universally feted for TWBB (though not by me, though I acknowledge his strong technical work, particularly vocally), nobody talks about Nine or The Ballad of Jack and Rose. It's like he's getting credit for a 90s Hanks decade without having actually accomplished it.
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 20, 2024 8:34:00 GMT
I think in the 2000's, a lot of people were still unconvinced by DiCaprio. Getting arguably miscast and completely blown off the screen by Daniel Day-Lewis in Gangs Of New York isn't going to help his cause in winning the decade. I think he was pretty good in The Aviator, but again, a lot of people still feel he was miscast as Howard Hughes . I thought Damon was stronger in The Departed....couldn't get into his Blood Diamond work because I found the accent off-putting. His most convincing performance in the 2000's was probably Catch Me If You Can. But yeah, I think his 2000's was very much a mixed bag for him and very much an actor still maturing, finding himselg and making mistakes. I couldn't justify him winning that decade at all, and I still think him missing top 5 isn't a travesty, when you have guys like Javier Bardem missing. You can't put him over guys who never missed in that decade like Denzel, Crowe and PSH. I'm one of those people who began to find see a greater maturity and consistency in the 2010's (where J. Edgar was his only big miscast). Incredible work in Django Unchained and The Wolf Of Wall Street. Handles his buisness like a pro in Shutter Island and Inception. Gets his Oscar for The Revenant and finishes the decade strongly with Once Upon A Time In Hollywood. It's just a much more convincing run for most people than the 2000's, and I think he's a worthy #1 for the 2010's. I think we just don't fundamentally agree on DiCaprio's talents. Blood Diamond is a monstrously good performance, for me; I'd take it over Denzel in anything besides Training Day or The Hurricane, without question, same with Revolutionary Road, and Denzel is a top 5 screen actor to me. Despite DDL clobbering Leo in GoNY, and being universally feted for TWBB (though not by me, though I acknowledge his strong technical work, particularly vocally), nobody talks about Nine or The Ballad of Jack and Rose. It's like he's getting credit for a 90s Hanks decade without having actually accomplished it. Blood Diamond over Malcolm X? I don't think even DiCaprio himself would pick his performance in that over Denzel in X. I think Leo is extremely talented. But he takes a lot of built- up roles/scripts/directors, where any good actor is supposed to look good in. It's the Bradley Cooper thing ( who is also more talented than people give credit for). I think Cooper would have looked very good in most of DiCaprio's roles, because they were built up that way. Someone like Denzel can give an award calibre performance in a film as mediocre (on paper) as John Q. I don't know if Leo is that kind of talent, and I don't think I'll ever find out because he never has to take those chances or risks to elevate material in the same way as Washington has had to over his career to survive at the highest level. I think Day-Lewis does probably recieve extra credit for doing less, but for a lot of people, There Will Be Blood is the GOAT performance (not for me, but I'm acknowledging how some feel) and Gangs Of New York is an all-timer. That's going to buy you a lot of extra credit with folks, even if your overall output is slim. And it fairly or unfairly cancels out his miscasting in Nine for many. Having said that, I think DDL is too high at #2. Two monumental performances, 1 OK performance and 1 miscast performance isn't enough for him to be #2 for the decade, though I can justify him in the top 5. I'd have it in this order: 1 Denzel Washington 2 Russell Crowe 3 Philip Seymour Hoffman 4 Daniel Day-Lewis 5 Matt Damon/Javier Bardem
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Post by franklin on Apr 20, 2024 9:24:17 GMT
Disagree about miscasting in The Aviator, DiCap perfectly conveyed the essence of Howard Hughes, with the most accurate depiction of OCD ever seen on screen. He even deserved to win.
Anyway: 1940s: Bogart 1950s: Brando 1960s: Peck 1970s: DeNiro 1980s: DeNiro 1990s: Hanks 2000s: Day-Lewis 2010s: DiCaprio
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 20, 2024 11:35:42 GMT
Disagree about miscasting in The Aviator, DiCap perfectly conveyed the essence of Howard Hughes, with the most accurate depiction of OCD ever seen on screen. He even deserved to win. I rewatched The Aviator not long ago, and I agree that he was very good (though he still looked a bit too young to be playing Hughes, but the acting just about overcame it for me). Wouldn't give him the win, but I'd nominate him. I was talking about how many others percieved him as being miscast in that role, and still do.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Apr 20, 2024 12:59:36 GMT
Give me 2001 era Russell Crowe please. Let's get a time machine and go back in time.
Most of the early 00s actors like Eric Bana, Jude Law, Ewan McGregor, and maybe even Johnny Depp these days dont get a lot of cred as great actors. For looks maybe all 4s got those.
Well.....Johnny is still liked by the girls, but doesnt feel like hes talked about as some great anymore. Yet Crowe is still thought of as a great actor, tho way way less female fans.
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Post by franklin on Apr 21, 2024 11:24:16 GMT
Slightly off-topic, but:
Crowe had a peak from 1999 to 2005, then kept falling, and getting fatter, lool.
Depp was never an incredibly choosy actor, but he started to really fall in the 2010s after The Lone Ranger. Black Mass, so nearly ten years ago, was his last attempt at a serious performance and movie.
Same for Clooney after The Descendants, but he was never in the "best actors of their generation" conversations anyway.
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 21, 2024 11:44:40 GMT
I'd say Crowe peaked in 2007. 3:10 To Yuma and American Gangster was a great one-two punch.
But things were never as good for Crowe again after that year.
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Post by fiosnasiob on Apr 21, 2024 13:05:05 GMT
Based on body of performances, Edward G. Robinson is a no brainer Top 5 american actors of the 40's to me, from Dr. Ehrlich's Magic Bullet (1940) to House of Strangers (1949) he could have been oscar nominated 5-6 times and it would have been completely deserved (And this actor has never been nominated in his life...). Just too many great and varied work from him in this decade, sometimes in smaller movies that didn't stand the test of time and have become underseen. And during that decade, he outshined more than once the guy who is ranked first here... Brother Orchid
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Post by pacinoyes on Apr 21, 2024 13:38:39 GMT
Slightly off-topic, but: Crowe had a peak from 1999 to 2005, then kept falling, and getting fatter, lool. Crowe's great run is to me obviously '91-early 2000s (where exactly that ends is arguable) - his best work is in '99 .......but by 2005 he was on the decline imo........the earliest, steepest decline to me for any (once) great actor ever - he was only ~ 40........that's him below taking up lots of space and what not........ This list is, of course, awful but the 50s are missing Clift, Kirk Douglas, Dean and Holden - Holden arguably is 2nd ........across all kinds of genres and styles - his list of big films in the 50s is kind of insane: Sunset Blvd, Stalag 17, Bridge on the River Kwai, Born Yesterday, Sabrina ......that's a classic (arguably) every other year ffs........and he has other good films tooGTFO
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Post by Nikan on Apr 21, 2024 14:00:19 GMT
Slightly off-topic, but: Crowe had a peak from 1999 to 2005, then kept falling, and getting fatter, lool. Crowe's great run is to me obviously '91-early 2000s (where exactly that ends is arguable) - his best work is in '99 .......but by 2005 he was on the decline imo........the earliest, steepest decline to me for any (once) great actor ever - he was only ~ 40........that's him below taking up lots of space and what not........ bro why don't you jump on the Yuma wagon (hehehe)
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 21, 2024 14:25:56 GMT
Crowe's great run is to me obviously '91-early 2000s (where exactly that ends is arguable) - his best work is in '99 .......but by 2005 he was on the decline imo........the earliest, steepest decline to me for any (once) great actor ever - he was only ~ 40........that's him below taking up lots of space and what not........ bro why don't you jump on the Yuma wagon (hehehe) People who don't like Crowe much always want to shorten his peak, to make his run seem less impressive. It clearly starts with LA Confidential in 1997 and ends with American Gangster/3:10 To Yuma in 2007.
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 21, 2024 14:55:07 GMT
Based on body of performances, Edward G. Robinson is a no brainer Top 5 american actors of the 40's to me, from Dr. Ehrlich's Magic Bullet (1940) to House of Strangers (1949) he could have been oscar nominated 5-6 times and it would have been completely deserved (And this actor has never been nominated in his life...). Just too many great and varied work from him in this decade, sometimes in smaller movies that didn't stand the test of time and have become underseen. And during that decade, he outshined more than once the guy who is ranked first here... Brother Orchid Good call on Robinson.I watched Scarlet Street (1945) not long ago. Fucking incredible performance by Robinson. It's absolutely a travesty that he was never nominated for an Oscar, and that he didn't win multiple Oscars. This is why things like the AFI are important. The acknowledgement of the impact a career has made from an organisation like that can trump everything when it comes to legacy. Actors who won Oscars can be forgotten. But for him to get voted the 24th Greatest Male Movie Legend by the AFI in 1999, shows just how much his work transcended him being snubbed throughout his career. And yes, Robinson was a greater actor than Bogart.
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Post by pacinoyes on Apr 21, 2024 15:20:42 GMT
Crowe's great run is to me obviously '91-early 2000s (where exactly that ends is arguable) - his best work is in '99 .......but by 2005 he was on the decline imo........the earliest, steepest decline to me for any (once) great actor ever - he was only ~ 40........that's him below taking up lots of space and what not........ bro why don't you jump on the Yuma wagon (hehehe) I always say this : at a certain point an established GREAT actor can coast as long as he slips in something GREAT every once in a while: and Crowe HAD been clearly great but............ He flat out blows in Cinderella Man, and is the weak link in AG, and is merely good in Yuma........ Crowe in the 90s in Proof, Romper Stomper , LA Confidential and The Insider etc. is his peak - not the stardom peak but Crowe's acting peak - ..........his lunch eating peak came later however.........here is Fat Russell eating 2 lunches - later it's a sandwich and fries............note the 2 beverages
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 21, 2024 15:40:31 GMT
Yeah, this anti-Crowe propaganda needs to be countered . Fantastic in Cinderella Man. Would have deservedly been Oscar nominated had he not decided to chuck a phone at a concierge. Outstanding in 3:10 To Yuma. Goes up against another generational great actor in Christian Bale and smothers him with his presence Yes, he's not as captivating as the title character of the movie, the actual American Gangster played by Denzel Washington, but it's still a committed, meticulous performance as you would expect from Crowe at his peak. Closest thing to Heat for the 2000's, with the decade's two greatest actors going head to head. It's still one of Crowe's major roles and movies. We don't knock Al Pacino for not being as good as Robert DeNiro in Heat. Crowe did great with the less interesting storyline and character. Performance wise, it's a great ensemble and there are no weak links.
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