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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 21, 2024 19:10:47 GMT
Variety lists Russell Crowe's 10 Greatest Performances in an article from 2022. Wanna guess which performances make the list? variety.com/lists/russell-crowe-best-movies-performances-ranked/gladiator-2000-2/10) Boy Erased9 ) Master And Commander: The Far Side Of The World.8) American Gangster7) The Nice Guys6) LA Confidential 5) 3:10 To Yuma4) Cinderella Man3) Gladiator2) A Beautiful Mind1) The InsiderGood thing nobody rates those 2000's Crowe performances like American Gangster, 3:10 To Yuma and Cinderella Man anymore  . 60% of his best performances on the list come from the 2000's, which tracks perfectly.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Apr 21, 2024 19:35:24 GMT
Who hates Crowe? Absolutely nobody. We can disagree how long his peak was, but everyone agrees he was great when he was great.
Crowe is probably the best actor of the 00s. DDL has 2 movies to his credit. DiCaprio was mediocre in the 00s, got better in the 10s. Phoenix was nothing much more than Cillian Murphy in the 00s. Denzel was good, but not nearly as great as Crowe. Johnny Depp got praise in the decade for a while.... but it seems like people don't wanna give him credit anymore for the stuff he's done - now that he's fallen.
Tony Leung can.... make an argument for rivaling Russ tho.
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 21, 2024 19:40:39 GMT
Who hates Crowe? Absolutely nobody. We can disagree how long his peak was, but everyone agrees he was great when he was great. For starters, your good friend, who has been posting pictures of Crowe being overweight and eating to mock him for years and never misses an opportunity to shit on him. I don't enjoy playing dumb. |
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Post by Nikan on Apr 21, 2024 19:41:02 GMT
Crowe is probably the best actor of the 00s.  |
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Post by urbanpatrician on Apr 21, 2024 19:47:43 GMT
Crowe is probably the best actor of the 00s. Nope. Liked him in Happiness (his best. Probably overall my favorite performance from 98), Punch-Drunk Love (only one in the 00s), and The Master but that's it. Crowe from '97-'01 OWNS everyone, except maybe Leung who was similarly punching one thing great after another in the same time span. We can go to '91-'01 if you want. PSH always flew under the radar. For that reason, he gets at best 3rd place. Bronze medalist ain't bad tho. |
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Post by urbanpatrician on Apr 21, 2024 19:51:57 GMT
Who hates Crowe? Absolutely nobody. We can disagree how long his peak was, but everyone agrees he was great when he was great. For starters, your good friend, who has been posting pictures of Crowe being overweight and eating to mock him for years and never misses an opportunity to shit on him. I don't enjoy playing dumb. I've never heard him degrade him when he was great. '91-'01. As for being overweight.... he kinda is not good looking anymore. It ain't 2003 anymore, pal. so yeah.... he gets rightfully called out for losing his once good looks. |
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Post by pacinoyes on Apr 21, 2024 19:56:18 GMT
Not great since the early 2000s....was great before that from 91-early 00s............I didn't put that fucking pie in his mouth ffs  |
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Post by futuretrunks on Apr 21, 2024 20:12:00 GMT
Crowe was good in State of Play and The Next Three Days. His decline really began in 2012.
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 21, 2024 20:33:44 GMT
The list got it right, imho. Denzel is the #1 for the 2000's. Performance wise, he never missed, whether it was Remember The Titans or The Manchurian Candidate.
There are people out there today who legit treat something that would be otherwise completely forgotten like John Q like it's a classic. Because his performance is that outstanding. Nobody is taking movies that have no buisness even still being remembered and keeping them relevant for audiences. Great as Crowe was, he couldn't do that. The great thing Denzel did in that decade was dominate it without explicitly Oscarbaiting much. Would Training Day have come near an Oscar without him in it? I don't really think so. His films with Tony Scott were never going to come near the Oscars, but Man On Fire ended up one of his most beloved films and performances. Deja Vu holds up incredibly well. Inside Man etc. And obviously h2h with Crowe, he dominates American Gangster.
Crowe's my #2 for the 2000's, so I got little issue with anyone having him at #1, but I think Denzel took big risks with his stature by not going the prestige route for much of the decade, and I think in the long term, it paid of spectacularly for him. I feel like his unofficial villain/anti-hero "trilogy" of Training Day, Man On Fire and American Gangster really for audiences cemented him in that decade as the guy who had replaced the ageing Pacino & DeNiro as the go-to cinematic thespian badass . And it's part of the reason he's still an A-list leading man at almost 70. The bedrock for a lot of the trust and goodwill he still generates with audiences today, comes from his pivot in the 2000's.
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Post by franklin on Apr 22, 2024 12:44:29 GMT
Crowe was NOT better than Day-Lewis and Washington, or PSH in that decade, he didn't define the 2000s.
And again in retrospect, in my opinion, that's more controversial to some people in this forum, you can even put him under DiCaprio (Catch Me If You Can, The Aviator, The Departed, Blood Diamond, Revolutionary Road)
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Post by pacinoyes on Apr 22, 2024 12:50:47 GMT
Crowe was NOT better than Day-Lewis and Washington, or PSH in that decade, he didn't define the 2000s. ......or DiCaprio...........or Phoenix............or Bardem .......or........Penn.........he was faltering ......... Maybe when someone (ugh) says "better" they mean "fatter".........a lot of the same letters and what not  |
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Post by fiosnasiob on Apr 22, 2024 13:26:44 GMT
Rusty is wonderful in State of Play, the sort of anti-star but quietly intense performance that he could do like few others A-List and he's so believable as a seasoned investigative journalist, his energy, the way his body languages communicate curiosity, persistence, courage...he just nails it.
This decade ranking system doesn't really favor him because his peak where he gave most of his finest work in Hollywood (97-03) is in-between 2 decades but I would put him in my top 5 of the 00's, at least in English language. Gladiator, A Beautiful Mind, Master and Commander, Cinderella Man, 3:10 to Yuma (I like him here but not as much as others, Bale is easy MVP, Foster is...not good), AG and State of Play, that's a great decade for a special actor.
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 22, 2024 15:22:11 GMT
Crowe was good in State of Play and The Next Three Days. His decline really began in 2012. Yet even in his "decline" years, he still managed to give a performance at least as good as Marlon Brando's in Man Of Steel ( they both played Superman's dad, Jor-El). Granted, it's not exactly the most demanding part, and is basically "gravitas for hire", but he was still good value. Crowe stopped becoming an absolute must-watch actor like he used to be, but he was still dropping in occasional performances of significance like The Nice Guys, Boy Erased, The Loudest Voice and The True History Of The Kelly Gang that remind you that he's still Russell Crowe.That's why he still has his reputation as a great actor intact, despite now taking one too many paychecks to star in these B-movies like Land Of Bad, Prizefighter and Unhinged. Films he would have been insulted to be asked to be in, in his prime. But Gary Oldman did that a lot as well, and once he started being a bit pickier with his projects again, the quality shone through. I'd love Crowe to really have a heart to heart with his agents/managers, look at what Oldman is doing with Slow Horses ( or what Michael Douglas has done for the last 15 years) , and do a TV or streaming series that has great writing. It's obvious he's not getting offered the best movie projects any more, and a lot of actors used to being "movie stars" don't want to give that up, so just keep taking these pointless movies. But I really do think Crowe could easily give a performance as good as the one Oldman is giving in Slow Horses, with the same calibre of writing. Find a great TV or streaming series, Rusty! The Loudest Voice did great for him ( won him a Golden Globe For Best Actor In A Limited series in 2020 ....not bad for an actor in irreversible decline  ). The kind of major awards recognition Sean Penn couldn't come close to, despite trying really hard to hop on the prestige TV bandwagon with The First and Gaslit). Really surprised Crowe didn't seek out more TV projects after that. |
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Post by urbanpatrician on Apr 22, 2024 18:54:24 GMT
Crowe was NOT better than Day-Lewis and Washington, or PSH in that decade, he didn't define the 2000s. ......or DiCaprio...........or Phoenix............or Bardem .......or........Penn.........he was faltering ......... Maybe when someone (ugh) says "better" they mean "fatter".........a lot of the same letters and what not pacinoyes, you gotta call things as it is. Maybe Crowe's official peak ended in '01, so that's 2 years into the decade. But I think DiCaprio was a mediocre actor until The Wolf of Wall Street. Phoenix was considered some decent actor at best that decade, Penn...well he's good but won 2 Oscars over 2 icons that some people still hold against him. And Bardem..... you seem to be a bigger fan of him than me. I'm a Del Toro guy, but I know I'm in the minority there.  |
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Post by urbanpatrician on Apr 22, 2024 21:34:36 GMT
So 2 people posting here saw or saw again The Caine Mutiny this week.
After seeing that and In a Lonely Place, SHOULD BE kinda obvious Bogart is not only the best actor of the 40s, but 50s as well. Well hes somewhere in there.
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Post by pacinoyes on Apr 22, 2024 21:58:33 GMT
So 2 people posting here saw or saw again The Caine Mutiny this week. After seeing that and In a Lonely Place, SHOULD BE kinda obvious Bogart is not only the best actor of the 40s, but 50s as well. Well hes somewhere in there. * The list in this thread blows - it's just a star list......BUT consider that Bogart may have topped his 40s in just 6 YEARS in the 50s  and that included many classics or at least great movies across genres again - In A Lonely Place, Caine Mutiny, The Harder They Fall, Sabrina, African Queen, The Desperate Hours, Barefoot Contessa...... * I said this before on MAR - that Bogart - more or less perfected this modern actor "trick" of playing a role that evokes shades of an earlier role - nowadays we call it "branding" but it's more complex than just that .......it's finding the connective tissue between The Petrified Forest and The Desperate Hours - 20 years later but it's also in "evoking" a feeling even if he is cast in a different role in a similar but not exact companion film (like say, Key Largo)........it is amazing how distinct Bogart makes his characters yet it is a very nuanced thing he conveys..... ...............He did that A LOT - "shading of his earlier roles" and a lot more than his peers who did it but not quite the same way or as often (Robert Ryan does it as well) imo * I said it this week in my comments on Conflict (1945) - he's my favorite pre-50s American actor and I can argue him within the lower half of an all-time American Top 10 film actors list rather easily......... if I did such shit................. but I just do a top 5 usually because I'd be causing too many arguments and what not  |
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 23, 2024 4:16:41 GMT
There's nothing modern about Bogart's acting at all. Which isn't to say it isn't good or enjoyable to watch in the context of the films and the period they were made in, but in the 1950's it's clearly an older style transplanted to that decade, where screen acting has completely evolved to something closer to what we recognise today. It works because he's a movie star, but it's not symbolic of the evolution of American screen acting in the 1950's He's giving an already dated performance in The African Queen, and it's a sad that he's winning an Oscar for that performance over Brando in A Streetcar Named Desire, Clift in A Place In The Sun or the unnominated Douglas in Ace In The Hole. Those are modern performances, and all light years ahead of what Bogart is doing in African Queen.
To me, it's almost an act of cultural vandalism to consider Bogart the best actor of the 50's (and he wasn't even better than the likes of Edward G Robinson in the 40's, when his style wasn't yet dated) no matter how much you enjoy his movies ( and he made a lot of great films). Bogart did fine work in the 50's, but leave being the "best" that decade to the actors who truly moved the craft of acting forward (Brando, Douglas, Clift, Mitchum....even Alec Guinness, who was the proto- Peter Sellers and Gary Oldman, and helped move British screen acting forward).
Interestingly enough, Robert DeNiro really isn't a fan of Bogart and his acting style at all ( I think he sees it as a thing of it's time). In the same Playboy interview where he called Paul Muni a ham, he told the interviewer to speak to him off the record when asked about Bogart, because he didn't have much positive to say about his acting style.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Apr 23, 2024 5:05:48 GMT
There's nothing modern about Bogart's acting at all. Which isn't to say it isn't good or enjoyable to watch in the context of the films and the period they were made in, but in the 1950's it's clearly an older style transplanted to that decade, where screen acting has completely evolved to something closer to what we recognise today. It works because he's a movie star, but it's not symbolic of the evolution of American screen acting in the 1950's He's giving an already dated performance in The African Queen, and it's a sad that he's winning an Oscar for that performance over Brando in A Streetcar Named Desire, Clift in A Place In The Sun or the unnominated Douglas in Ace In The Hole. Those are modern performances, and all light years ahead of what Bogart is doing in African Queen. To me, it's almost an act of cultural vandalism to consider Bogart the best actor of the 50's (and he wasn't even better than the likes of Edward G Robinson in the 40's, when his style wasn't yet dated) no matter how much you enjoy his movies ( and he made a lot of great films). Bogart did fine work in the 50's, but leave being the "best" that decade to the actors who truly moved the craft of acting forward (Brando, Douglas, Clift, Mitchum....even Alec Guinness, who was the proto- Peter Sellers and Gary Oldman, and helped move British screen acting forward ).Interestingly enough, Robert DeNiro really isn't a fan of Bogart and his acting style at all ( I think he sees it as a thing of it's time). In the same Playboy interview where he called Paul Muni a ham, he told the interviewer to speak to him off the record when asked about Bogart, because he didn't have much positive to say about his acting style. Well....some people dont really take much credence into this advancement of the craft thing like you do. You seem to ride this advancement thing pretty hard tho. In general, it's kinda easy to love Bogart's work because they always offer something new into the classic films canon, and Bogart always has something interesting and new to say, and he pretty much defined the hard boiled PI. He is basically every private detective character ever. |
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). The kind of major awards recognition Sean Penn couldn't come close to, despite trying really hard to hop on the prestige TV bandwagon with The First and Gaslit). Really surprised Crowe didn't seek out more TV projects after that.
and that included many classics or at least great movies across genres again - In A Lonely Place, Caine Mutiny, The Harder They Fall, Sabrina, African Queen, The Desperate Hours, Barefoot Contessa......