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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 10, 2024 7:11:45 GMT
* Man, some of these names being mentioned are - to me - total margin walkers in terms of talent or Owl Club Actors (Who? Who?) ......um.......I'm not sure how many are in a tough spot because they're minorities or because they haven't shown anythng and we can just say it's because they're minorities......... * Anyway, I'll give you a minority actor - who's been kinda great a few times - and he's a Double Cross Sectional Woke Checklist Blah Blah Blah - yay! - the black and gay Jeremy Pope ..............who I would have nodded in 2022 for The Inspection (Globe nodded) - and is more of a theater actor but was Jackie Wilson in One Night in Miami.....a double Tony nominee in 1 year (Come On - that almost never happens!) including a sizzling turn as Eddie Kendricks in The Temptations......next up he's got a role playing Basquiat from Andrew McCarten's play which he starred in too - although that film has been tied up a looooooooooong time (Paul Bettany plays Warhol) * ........and he was born in the 90s........and he can sing.......he doesn't have anything other than that afaik but trust me ..... he is a thing in acting circles .....he's one role away from The Intersectional Checklist To Our Hearts He's no joke.......... as an actor anyway.....career at ~ 32 is harder to assess but .......his upside is huge ....
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 10, 2024 7:59:27 GMT
Ok Jeffrey Wells
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 10, 2024 8:18:42 GMT
Based on these last couple performances I think Butler's starting to separate himself. In particular I think he's "found a voice" with his physical acting style whereas these other guys haven't. Pretty wide open after that, this is not as good a group as the actresses. There are plenty of people I'd put ahead of these other two guys, I don't like Chalamet and Mescal is just so new. Keoghan, Dev Patel, Lucas Hedges, Stanfield, even Logan Lerman are people I'd have ahead of them as of now. Lucas Hedges seems to have faded a bit. One too many indies have marginalised him compared to some of peers who have embraced movie stardom and more ambitious projects/roles. He's getting opportunities in the indie space, but I don't think he's doing anything amazing with those opportunities performance wise (ie he hasn't evolved much from Manchester By The Sea). He's a solid actor, but doesn't feel like a generational talent or star to me. Who knows, maybe he'll come back in a few things and change my mind. Logan Lerman is aggressively "Ok". He's a good looking dude that can carry or support a certain level of project, but he's missed his window to be a "movie star" like Chalamet or Butler, and he's a fine actor, but also like Hedges, he doesn't feel like any sort of generational talent or star. We'd know if he was by now, as he's been a leading man since at least 2007 with Percy Jackson And The Lightning Thief.
I don't see the ambition in Lerman to really do the most challenging roles, even though he's probably in a position to. You can see that ambition in actors like Kelvin Harrison Jr and Harrison Dickinson. Lerman has been a successful working actor for quite a long time and just seems stuck in a comfortable groove. He actually reminds me a bit of his lookalike, also a 90's kid, Dylan O'Brien.
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Post by countjohn on Mar 11, 2024 14:34:57 GMT
Based on these last couple performances I think Butler's starting to separate himself. In particular I think he's "found a voice" with his physical acting style whereas these other guys haven't. Pretty wide open after that, this is not as good a group as the actresses. There are plenty of people I'd put ahead of these other two guys, I don't like Chalamet and Mescal is just so new. Keoghan, Dev Patel, Lucas Hedges, Stanfield, even Logan Lerman are people I'd have ahead of them as of now. Lucas Hedges seems to have faded a bit. One too many indies have marginalised him compared to some of peers who have embraced movie stardom and more ambitious projects/roles. He's getting opportunities in the indie space, but I don't think he's doing anything amazing with those opportunities performance wise (ie he hasn't evolved much from Manchester By The Sea). He's a solid actor, but doesn't feel like a generational talent or star to me. Who knows, maybe he'll come back in a few things and change my mind. Logan Lerman is aggressively "Ok". He's a good looking dude that can carry or support a certain level of project, but he's missed his window to be a "movie star" like Chalamet or Butler, and he's a fine actor, but also like Hedges, he doesn't feel like any sort of generational talent or star. We'd know if he was by now, as he's been a leading man since at least 2007 with Percy Jackson And The Lightning Thief.Agree they have both probably peaked but I like them both in a few things which is more than the zero things I like from Chalamet and Mescal is brand new and has barely done anything.
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Post by quetee on Mar 11, 2024 17:19:37 GMT
I saw Jeremy Pope on stage and he was amazing.
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 11, 2024 17:24:51 GMT
I saw Jeremy Pope on stage and he was amazing. Yeah I think I have to bump that post because it was ignored by what's his face and people may not have seen it but Pope's is not only talented - he has attracted a lot of awards heat - and he's a PoC......... gay and an actvist ..........he's actually a kind of important figure in acting atm........no one on tthis board even talks about The Inspection - wtf MAR
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 11, 2024 17:25:47 GMT
* Man, some of these names being mentioned are - to me - total margin walkers in terms of talent or Owl Club Actors (Who? Who?) ......um.......I'm not sure how many are in a tough spot because they're minorities or because they haven't shown anythng and we can just say it's because they're minorities......... * Anyway, I'll give you a minority actor - who's been kinda great a few times - and he's a Double Cross Sectional Woke Checklist Blah Blah Blah - yay! - the black and gay Jeremy Pope ..............who I would have nodded in 2022 for The Inspection (Globe nodded) - and is more of a theater actor but was Jackie Wilson in One Night in Miami.....a double Tony nominee in 1 year (Come On - that almost never happens!) including a sizzling turn as Eddie Kendricks in The Temptations......next up he's got a role playing Basquiat from Andrew McCarten's play which he starred in too - although that film has been tied up a looooooooooong time (Paul Bettany plays Warhol) * ........and he was born in the 90s........and he can sing.......he doesn't have anything other than that afaik but trust me ..... he is a thing in acting circles .....he's one role away from The Intersectional Checklist To Our Hearts He's no joke.......... as an actor anyway.....career at ~ 32 is harder to assess but .......his upside is huge .... Just a bump in case this post got lost a bit......
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Post by countjohn on Mar 11, 2024 17:55:57 GMT
* Man, some of these names being mentioned are - to me - total margin walkers in terms of talent That's just kind of actors born after 1990 in general though. Butler the last couple years is the first sign I've had that any of these guys could be "major" talent wise.
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Post by quetee on Mar 11, 2024 18:13:24 GMT
* Man, some of these names being mentioned are - to me - total margin walkers in terms of talent That's just kind of actors born after 1990 in general though. Butler the last couple years is the first sign I've had that any of these guys could be "major" talent wise. Denzel not gonna put in a good word for someone whose not.
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 11, 2024 18:25:52 GMT
* Man, some of these names being mentioned are - to me - total margin walkers in terms of talent That's just kind of actors born after 1990 in general though. Butler the last couple years is the first sign I've had that any of these guys could be "major" talent wise. I wish I saw it.......I don't yet........I saw Butler onstage in Iceman Cometh - he was just ok......he's lesser than Redford in the Robards version and Redford is just there ffs.....I didn't like him - at all - in Elvis tbh - Rhys-Myers was better and Rhys-Myers ain't great either.......but maybe the next one will click and I'll see what Zel saw .......Jeremy Pope on the other hand has already hit with me immediately......I actually think Pope coud play Prince or something............or he'd be the most muscular Prince or some shit..............Jeremy Pope can be what dumbfucks thought Jonathan Majors was.........and like I said he can sing too....
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Mar 11, 2024 18:33:37 GMT
No mention of Jacob Elordi yet? Really?!
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 11, 2024 18:48:03 GMT
* Man, some of these names being mentioned are - to me - total margin walkers in terms of talent That's just kind of actors born after 1990 in general though. Butler the last couple years is the first sign I've had that any of these guys could be "major" talent wise. Nah, you're wrong. He ain't all that...according to my desperate attack-bots, I only ride hard for Butler because Denzel "discovered" him. Totally average actor really . Denzel "discovered" Derek Luke too. When's the last time you ever heard me talk about him? Butler to me (and many others lately) is the most clear cut case of a generational talent/movie star to arrive on the scene since Jonathan Majors ( who has unfortunately for himself, has had his potential curtailed because of his legal issues). Sure, I'm glad Mr Washington is the one that gave helped give him his biggest break, but I was pretty much all-in on the guy because of his performance in Elvis where he obliterated a GOAT actor candidate in Tom Hanks off the screen (Hanks didn't help himself with his choices, but Butler being so good made him look even worse) , and he's since backed it up and them some. This guy is just crazy impressive, full stop. I think I actually like him so much because he reminds me of Val Kilmer talent wise ( and I ride hard for Val in certain roles), but I think he'll be able to maximise his talent and career in a way Kilmer couldn't quite, because Butler is too chill and stable to piss off half of Hollywood like Kilmer did.
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 11, 2024 18:54:17 GMT
No mention of Jacob Elordi yet? Really?! He's quite the rage with the girl that runs my irl business and all her friends ........he's their celebrity crush
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 11, 2024 20:38:23 GMT
Lucas Hedges seems to have faded a bit. One too many indies have marginalised him compared to some of peers who have embraced movie stardom and more ambitious projects/roles. He's getting opportunities in the indie space, but I don't think he's doing anything amazing with those opportunities performance wise (ie he hasn't evolved much from Manchester By The Sea). He's a solid actor, but doesn't feel like a generational talent or star to me. Who knows, maybe he'll come back in a few things and change my mind. Logan Lerman is aggressively "Ok". He's a good looking dude that can carry or support a certain level of project, but he's missed his window to be a "movie star" like Chalamet or Butler, and he's a fine actor, but also like Hedges, he doesn't feel like any sort of generational talent or star. We'd know if he was by now, as he's been a leading man since at least 2007 with Percy Jackson And The Lightning Thief. Agree they have both probably peaked but I like them both in a few things which is more than the zero things I like from Chalamet and Mescal is brand new and has barely done anything. I don't love Chalamet, but he's clearly established himself as a "movie star" for his generation as far as the industryhis concerned. He's doing it through established IPs, but the industry won't care. They'll just see how much money Wonka and the Dune movies made and see him as the future of Hollywood. He's going to be around till you are forced to start liking him
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 11, 2024 20:56:26 GMT
No mention of Jacob Elordi yet? Really?! His upcoming films suggest a kind of "movie star arc" potentially.......I mean here's a real good looking guy playing Frankenstein's monster ffs .............and he has a Shrader film where I think he's the young Richard Gere.......I like the range of effort at leastt.........a lot of real big young male actors try to cloud their looks in some roles and it can work and pay off - Pitt for one.......Pattinson etc.
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Post by countjohn on Mar 11, 2024 21:34:50 GMT
Agree they have both probably peaked but I like them both in a few things which is more than the zero things I like from Chalamet and Mescal is brand new and has barely done anything. I don't love Chalamet, but he's clearly established himself as a "movie star" for his generation as far as the industryhis concerned. He's doing it through established IPs, but the industry won't care. They'll just see how much money Wonka and the Dune movies made and see him as the future of Hollywood. He's going to be around till you are forced to start liking him As much as I don't want to feed into these comparisons I don't like early DiCaprio either but he eventually became a good actor maybe because all the best directors and co stars rubbed off on him. So maybe that happens with Chalamet at some point. Would be interesting after the huge success of Dune II to see if he could really open a non IP star vehicle for himself.
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Post by futuretrunks on Mar 11, 2024 21:57:56 GMT
I don't love Chalamet, but he's clearly established himself as a "movie star" for his generation as far as the industryhis concerned. He's doing it through established IPs, but the industry won't care. They'll just see how much money Wonka and the Dune movies made and see him as the future of Hollywood. He's going to be around till you are forced to start liking him As much as I don't want to feed into these comparisons I don't like early DiCaprio either but he eventually became a good actor maybe because all the best directors and co stars rubbed off on him. So maybe that happens with Chalamet at some point. Would be interesting after the huge success of Dune II to see if he could really open a non IP star vehicle for himself. Let me just confirm, you don't think Leo's good in The Basketball Diaries, This Boy's Life, or Gilbert Grape?
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 11, 2024 22:03:02 GMT
How come everybody is blah blah blah'ing about Bucky Fellini (my lovename for Ausitn Butler, um)........ like he's James Dean after East of Eden and nobody has mentioned Will Poulter (born 1993) - didn't this board have Poulter fans? stephen maybe?
Didn't anybody see Detroit Or Bandersnatch? He was the Barry Keoghan of his day yanno?
The recent-ism is quite goofy in this thread - why is pacinoyes mentioning Jeremy Pope (racists) and Poulter ffs .......also btw Poulter is in a movie with Elordi this year (I guess?) - come on MAR get your heads in the game.......I don't even like young actors until they do a Mean Streets or something
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Post by stephen on Mar 11, 2024 22:38:06 GMT
How come everybody is blah blah blah'ing about Bucky Fellini (my lovename for Ausitn Butler, um)........ like he's James Dean after East of Eden and nobody has mentioned Will Poulter (born 1993) - didn't this board have Poulter fans? stephen maybe?
Didn't anybody see Detroit Or Bandersnatch? He was the Barry Keoghan of his day yanno?Very good shout here. Poulter is a fantastic actor, who deserved a nomination for Detroit, who held his own against Tom Hardy in The Revenant, and who is a quiet scene-stealer in things like We're the Millers and Midsommar. He's got some Keoghan-esque potential for sure.
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Post by futuretrunks on Mar 11, 2024 22:47:48 GMT
He's a good actor, but I haven't seen him in much lately besides his cameo in the superb S2 of The Bear. Haven't seen Dopesick.
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 11, 2024 23:49:18 GMT
He's a good actor, but I haven't seen him in much lately besides his cameo in the superb S2 of The Bear. Haven't seen Dopesick. He's been straight up great a few times as opposed - imo - to Bucky Fellini who everyone seems to be jizziing over for nothing... Anyway..........High profile pic this year possibly : On Swift Horses
Dir : Daniel Minahan Daisy Edgar-Jones Will Poulter Jacob Elordi Diego Calva
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 12, 2024 0:12:29 GMT
He's a good actor, but I haven't seen him in much lately besides his cameo in the superb S2 of The Bear. Haven't seen Dopesick. The last thing I saw Poulter in was Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol. 3, where he played Adam Warlock. He wasn't very good in it. For a lot of people, Poulter's performance was the worst part of the movie. So yeah, coming off a big movie performance that might have gotten him a Razzie nomination if the movie overall wasn't well recieved isn't exactly going to put him front and centre in this conversation for me. I've seen him in other things. He's a good actor most of the time. But relative to the opportunities he's had ( which is a lot at this point), it's obvious why he hasn't impacted enough to be essential in this conversation. He's nothing close to being a generational talent or star . He's like a lesser Tom Holland, who no one is talking about either. He's not a movie star to me. I think he'll end up finding his natural home as TV actor. If we are talking about 90's baby British Actors who have solid fundamentals, I would put Poulter well below Jack O'Connell and Jack Lowden. Who also aren't being talked about.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 12, 2024 0:22:17 GMT
And speaking of Detroit, another British 90's baby that'd I'd put above Poulter is John Boyega. He at least has the presence of a movie star and started turning in some more interesting work post his Star Wars trilogy run, with his BAFTA nominated and Golden Globe winning performance in Small Axe and his most recent film work in They Cloned Tyrone.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 12, 2024 9:03:51 GMT
I don't love Chalamet, but he's clearly established himself as a "movie star" for his generation as far as the industryhis concerned. He's doing it through established IPs, but the industry won't care. They'll just see how much money Wonka and the Dune movies made and see him as the future of Hollywood. He's going to be around till you are forced to start liking him Would be interesting after the huge success of Dune II to see if he could really open a non IP star vehicle for himself. That's the million dollar question.I wonder if his team around him will want to risk putting him in a vehicle which requires his starpower to carry it, not IP or a stacked ensemble cast. I mean, he's got the Bob Dylan biopic coming up, but that almost counts as IP since Dylan is so famous. That's just how most "star" careers are built and handled these days. Everyone is afraid of looking like a flop, so they make sure the films they star in have an extra layer of protection, like IP or streaming on Netflix. I don't think his team will want anyone questioning his starpower by having him carry some original, non IP vehicle anytime soon
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 12, 2024 18:28:23 GMT
Dev Patel spent years talking in interviews about not getting many great parts because he was a "brown" actor. So he went out to make his own movie Monkey Man, which is getting rave reviews, including for his performance. Hopefully this will help change things for him.
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