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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 9, 2024 3:26:35 GMT
Whaddaya reckon? Aside from the Oscar trivia, can they actually be considered the three Best actors today born in that decade?
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Post by mhynson27 on Mar 9, 2024 3:34:47 GMT
Chuck in Keoghan, and yeah, that's probably the 4 right now.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 9, 2024 4:29:57 GMT
Harris Dickinson should be in the conversation, no?
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Post by stabcaesar on Mar 9, 2024 5:44:30 GMT
Mescal and it’s not even a comparison. He outranks the other two by a million miles.
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Post by futuretrunks on Mar 9, 2024 6:36:41 GMT
Mescal and it’s not even a comparison. He outranks the other two by a million miles. How? He's great in Normal People, underacts in Aftersun to predictable acclaim by people who don't know their shit (i.e. Tom Cruise in the scene vs. Kilmer in Maverick was better than Mescal's entire performance). Nobody seems to be able to watch Foe all the way through to give a verdict. Nobody's seen Carmen. Mescal could be the greatest actor in the history of acting, but he's a ridiculous fad right now.
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Post by Drish on Mar 9, 2024 6:43:08 GMT
After watching The Iron Claw, I'm rooting hard for Dickinson. They're all great actors so Idk, as per my preference only..
Dickinson > Butler > Keoghan > Chalamet > Mescal
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 9, 2024 8:01:59 GMT
After watching The Iron Claw, I'm rooting hard for Dickinson. They're all great actors so Idk, as per my preference only.. Dickinson > Butler > Keoghan > Chalamet > Mescal I forgot about Keoghan. Yeah, he's in the mix as well. Thanks for the reminder. I feel this group of 90's born actors is going to be consistently in flux and there will be new additions ( one or two of these guys may even fade). Actors around their age group can make huge leaps in capability and opportunity in a relatively short space of time. I mean, who would have pegged Butler in this conversation a year and a half ago? He was on nobody's radar. Now he's been given enough opportunity in such a short period to keep proving himself, that he could be arguably considered the best of the 90's born guys. This list also shows the huge disparity in opportunity for actors of color in that 90's group. It's all white guys (for now). And they are getting the most consistently good roles and projects to prove themselves. I mean Dev Patel might have similar potential to these guys, but Patel might be lucky to get a truly great role every couple of years. Wheras Butler or Chalamet can get 3 or 4 great roles or projects in the space of a year.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 9, 2024 8:11:27 GMT
Mescal and it’s not even a comparison. He outranks the other two by a million miles. How? He's great in Normal People, underacts in Aftersun to predictable acclaim by people who don't know their shit (i.e. Tom Cruise in the scene vs. Kilmer in Maverick was better than Mescal's entire performance). Nobody seems to be able to watch Foe all the way through to give a verdict. Nobody's seen Carmen. Mescal could be the greatest actor in the history of acting, but he's a ridiculous fad right now. Gladiator 2 will be a huge test for Mescal. Whether he's got the presence of a "movie star" to carry a big movie, or whether he's just really a lower key actor better suited to indie films. But you forgot to mention All Of Us Strangers ( for which he received a lot of acclaim, including a BAFTA nomination). And him winning an Olivier Award for his stage work in A Streetcar Named Desire. In terms of accolades won, on stage and onscreen, he clears all the other 90's born guys at this stage pretty comfortably.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Mar 9, 2024 14:27:12 GMT
I forgot that Daniel Kaluuya was born in 1989. Of these three, I'm partial to Mescal right now but the other two have impressed and shown they can be legit movie stars which is where Mescal still needs to prove himself.
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Post by stephen on Mar 9, 2024 14:31:30 GMT
Right now I'd rate them:
1. Barry Keoghan 2. Paul Mescal 3. Lakeith Stanfield 4. Harris Dickinson 5. Kelvin Harrison, Jr. 6. Austin Butler 7. Timothee Chalamet
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 9, 2024 14:44:42 GMT
I feel like one actor of color who should be in this group by merit, and has had shit tons of acclaim (possibly more acclaim across more projects than all the 90's born actors named so far) is Kelvin Harrison Jr.
He's 29 years old and currently playing Martin Luther King Jr in Genius: MLK/X
Also, I just looked it up and saw Lakeith Stanfield is a 90's born kid. I'm surprised, because I thought he was older and born in the 80's. He definitely deserves to be in the mix. Oscar nominated already, and has had more than enough opportunities to prove himself.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 9, 2024 14:49:27 GMT
Right now I'd rate them: 1. Barry Keoghan 2. Paul Mescal 3. Harris Dickinson 4. Austin Butler 5. Timothee Chalamet If you add Harrison and Stanfield into this group, my ranking would be 1 Butler 2 Stanfield 3 Keoghan 4 Mescal 5 Harrison 6 Chalamet 7 Dickinson
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 9, 2024 14:52:19 GMT
Keoghan obviously who is not only better, but more unpredictable, more off the page ....... Mescal underacts so much as to appear to be doing nothing at all - on film he is extremely recessive .....too much so for me............BUT: The National Theatre really needs to release the taped version of Mescal's Streetcar performance - don't any of the MAR posters who live in England go to the theater ffs - NOBODY reviewed it in the Theater thread ? I think it isn't released because he may play it on Broadway - but Comer was released for Prima Facie and it didn't hurt her did it? Also I don't think Mescal's schedule will exactly free up a Broadway run anytime soon anyway ......also A lot of people's BEST performances are in the National Theatre archives........Comer.......Cumberbatch's Frankenstein etc.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 9, 2024 14:57:39 GMT
I'm also calling it now. In the next few years, Stanfield will get cast in a Marvin Gaye biopic and win the Best Actor Oscar.
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Post by quetee on Mar 9, 2024 18:34:45 GMT
Ohh, didn't realize Lakeith with was born in 90s...so I'm double downing on him.
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Post by countjohn on Mar 9, 2024 19:52:46 GMT
Based on these last couple performances I think Butler's starting to separate himself. In particular I think he's "found a voice" with his physical acting style whereas these other guys haven't.
Pretty wide open after that, this is not as good a group as the actresses. There are plenty of people I'd put ahead of these other two guys, I don't like Chalamet and Mescal is just so new. Keoghan, Dev Patel, Lucas Hedges, Stanfield, even Logan Lerman are people I'd have ahead of them as of now.
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Post by quetee on Mar 9, 2024 21:44:09 GMT
Based on these last couple performances I think Butler's starting to separate himself. In particular I think he's "found a voice" with his physical acting style whereas these other guys haven't. Pretty wide open after that, this is not as good a group as the actresses. There are plenty of people I'd put ahead of these other two guys, I don't like Chalamet and Mescal is just so new. Keoghan, Dev Patel, Lucas Hedges, Stanfield, even Logan Lerman are people I'd have ahead of them as of now. I was impressed with him in Once. Im glad he didn't win the Oscar. I think it would have been too soon.
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Post by rhodoraonline on Mar 9, 2024 23:54:49 GMT
I'm surprised for Dev Patel barely getting any mention in this thread except by countjohn. I mean he's a 1990 born and arguably better (and a proper veteran) compared to all of these.
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Post by Joaquim on Mar 10, 2024 0:09:50 GMT
Lakeith was born in the 90s? Oh yea he clears all of them except Keoghan and maybe Mescal
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 10, 2024 0:16:31 GMT
I'm surprised for Dev Patel barely getting any mention in this thread except by countjohn. I mean he's a 1990 born and arguably better (and a proper veteran) compared to all of these. I mentioned Patel first in the thread. As an example of actors of color who might have the potential ability wise to be in these type of "best of their generation" conversations, but don't get enough opportunities or great roles. His breakthrough was in 2008 for Slumdog Millionaire ( where I didn't really rate his performance as anything special) . It literally took him another 8 years to get a great role ( Lion in 2016, which was the first time I thought he was genuinely great on film). Then after that, maybe The Green Knight made the best use of him as an actor. But 2 or 3 showcase roles in 16 years isn't going to put him front and centre in those conversations. Butler has already gotten 3 showcase roles in the space of a year. Patel gets a lot of mid roles in a lot of mid movies that don't allow him to really shine as an actor. It's extra harder for Patel as a British actor of Indian heritage, because there aren't a lot of great roles in UK or Hollywood productions tailored to actors of Southeast Asian extraction. No one is talking about Tom Holland either, and he's had far more opportunities than Patel, and will continue to get more opportunities and roles than him. I actually feel this is why Patel has written and directed his own action film showcase in Monkey Man....to show the industry to think out of the box when casting him and give him better roles.
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Post by rhodoraonline on Mar 10, 2024 0:31:37 GMT
Unfortunately, that's gonna always be a factor for the actors of color. All I wanted to point out was my surprise that he wasn't being mentioned enough, especially even in the rankings
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 10, 2024 0:42:17 GMT
Unfortunately, that's gonna always be a factor for the actors of color. Well in fairness, it's become a lot better over the years for some black leading men who break through in Hollywood. I think Lakieth Stanfield and Kelvin Harrison Jr, whom I both ranked, have managed to get roles and projects that showcase their talent consistently. Patel has it much harder than than them, because there are less showcase roles in Hollywood for actors of Indian heritage than there are for black actors. I think Patel plays a lot of thankless parts. You could say something similar for Asian actors in Hollywood like Charles Melton ( another 90's baby, who may have potential to break into this group if he gets consistent enough opportunities)
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Post by rhodoraonline on Mar 10, 2024 0:42:52 GMT
One actor I would like to point out as the perfect exemplar of what you said, scrudpup, is Justice Smith. No one should doubt his talent if you've watched Get Down. He's PHENOMENAL in it. And now I can't believe it's been like... a decade... and he STILL hasn't been able to break out properly in the movies. And in different small-sih movies he HAS shown his range and chops--it's not like he's done sloppy work since. It's a real shame and goes on to show that those few actors of color from this 90s generation who got to do big things (even as few as Patel like you point out) have been REALLY REALLY lucky. It's truly a game of chance for them.
I think he's the lead of a recent horror movie that impressed at one of these early-year festivals...? I'm hoping that does something for him. I loved him so much in both the Get Down and All The Bright Places and genuinely root for him (as for Patel to get even bigger and unignorable).
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 10, 2024 1:02:27 GMT
Another one we may be overlooking. I don't how many here have seen it, but to many of the show's fans, Damson Idris gave an all-timer TV performance as Drug Lord Franklin Saint in Snowfall.
Again, if the movie opportunities start cranking up ( I believe his first big role after the last season of Snowfall is a Formula 1 car racing film where he shares top billing with Brad Pitt), he's someone I can easily see shooting right to the top of the rankings for the 90's babies. I think he's got that potential. I just want to see him in more showcase roles outside of Snowfall. But like I said, positions can change real fast for this age group.
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Post by stabcaesar on Mar 10, 2024 3:05:14 GMT
^ Brad Pitt looks like a different person with that facelift.
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