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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 18, 2024 1:45:34 GMT
................of the movies. Is he though? I mean right now January 17, 2023 - is he worthy of that praise at 49? Not will he be but where do you see him atm? Is this Scorsese just laying it on too thick or do you think he thinks it - for real?
World of Reel took that to mean this - "Scorsese saying DiCaprio is an all-timer means he believes that the actor belongs up there with the likes of Brando, Olivier, De Niro, Pacino, Day-Lewis, Nicholson, Bogart …"
www.worldofreel.com/blog/2024/1/14/y67a28btftcdkb04ssu8x7xaotceqb
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Post by stephen on Jan 18, 2024 1:49:32 GMT
I'm sure he does think he is a fantastic actor (and his bankability has granted him carte blanche to get most of his films made this millennium), but what the hell else is he supposed to say?
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 18, 2024 1:52:22 GMT
I'm sure he does think he is a fantastic actor (and his bankability has granted him carte blanche to get most of his films made this millennium), but what the hell else is he supposed to say?What do you mean though? He wasn't asked about t - he volunteered it - he didn't have to say anything?
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Post by pupdurcs on Jan 18, 2024 1:52:22 GMT
I'm sure he does think he is a fantastic actor (and his bankability has granted him carte blanche to get most of his films made this millennium), but what the hell else is he supposed to say? I know right . He's 6 movies deep with the dude. It doesn't really feel like a statement worthy of it's own thread. Also, they are campaigning for the same movie and Leo just got snubbed by SAG.I actually thought it was more notable that he called Adam Driver the best actor of his generation after working with him once.
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Post by stephen on Jan 18, 2024 1:54:21 GMT
I'm sure he does think he is a fantastic actor (and his bankability has granted him carte blanche to get most of his films made this millennium), but what the hell else is he supposed to say?What do you mean though? He wasn't asked about t - he volunteered it - he didn't have to say anything? He's campaigning and promoting a film they worked on together. Hell, he might have realized DiCaprio is vulnerable with the SAG snub and wanted to talk him up because DiCaprio's specifically not campaigning for himself. Who knows? The point is, he is hardly an unbiased source.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 18, 2024 1:56:40 GMT
It's perfect conversation fodder for this board. So I should not post anything that has DiCap in a positive position for fear of your judgement
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Post by urbanpatrician on Jan 18, 2024 2:00:20 GMT
Nope. A good actor with one elite performance.... The Wolf of Wall Street. And another one I can't stop watching.... Catch Me If You Can. But 2 performances isn't really something you'd think would be on par with Bogart, Olivier, Pacino, DeNiro, Nicholson, and Day-Lewis.
Maybe on par with Brando, but that's it. He's mediocre outside of 4 movies is the only reason why.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 18, 2024 2:01:07 GMT
What do you mean though? He wasn't asked about t - he volunteered it - he didn't have to say anything? He's campaigning and promoting a film they worked on together. Hell, he might have realized DiCaprio is vulnerable with the SAG snub and wanted to talk him up because DiCaprio's specifically not campaigning for himself. Who knows?
The point is, he is hardly an unbiased source.Oh you might know I always say this - that in every case when an artist talks about another artist or himself even it's best taken with a grain of salt..........and that's even in cases without their connection .......... an interesting way to look at this is De Niro was 49 in 1992........did he compare with De Niro at a comparable age?
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Post by pupdurcs on Jan 18, 2024 2:05:43 GMT
Is it really perfect conversation fodder though?
News at 11, Scorsese thinks an actor he has cast as the lead in 6 of his films is one of the greatest screen actors ever?
Like, no shit. I'd assume that everyone already assumed Scorsese felt that way about his 20 million dollar muse.
What, imho, would have been worth it's own thread, is if he singled out DiCaprio as the greatest screen actor of all time. As in above DeNiro, Day-Lewis, Brando, Washington etc. But I don't think he'll ever go that far.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 18, 2024 2:12:00 GMT
Yes it is perfect conversation fodder - thank you for asking ........I'm sure many will find it that way and if you don't well maybe you could comment on losers like Rafael Nadal and Jonathan Majors in those threads........
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Post by pupdurcs on Jan 18, 2024 2:14:19 GMT
Yes it is perfect conversation fodder - thank you for asking ........I'm sure many will find it that way and if you don't well maybe you could comment on losers like Rafael Nadal and Jonathan Majors in those those threads........ Could be worse. I could support losers like Gerard " French Weinstein" Depardeiu
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 18, 2024 2:20:11 GMT
Nope. A good actor with one elite performance.... The Wolf of Wall Street. And another one I can't stop watching.... Catch Me If You Can. But 2 performances isn't really something you'd think would be on par with Bogart, Olivier, Pacino, DeNiro, Nicholson, and Day-Lewis.
Maybe on par with Brando, but that's it. He's mediocre outside of 4 movies is the only reason why. Yeah I think one of his problems if you say this now - and take it seriously - and I like him way more than you - is those guys ^ were trailblazers .........it's hard to compete with guys who changed acting and they all did in some ways...........I'm not sure you can say that about DiCaprio where he sort of is an extension of what came before. But some DiCap fans may disagree ................if you look at the link I posted in the OP the arguments in the Comments are pretty intense
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Jan 18, 2024 11:03:59 GMT
I think he's worthy of praise (or credit) for other reasons. This may be debatable, but I consider him the last true movie star. One sign of that (aside from his clout to have options and bankability sans franchises) is every time he has a film out, it's an event. We see he's in a movie and we expect something quality. Audiences trust him.
Is he in the same class acting-wise with those guys World of Reel listed off? No, I wouldn't go that far. That level is sky-high. I do think the collaboration with Scorsese will be regarded as legendary. Although oddly enough, the performances I enjoy most are in non-Scorsese films: Once Upon A Time in Hollywood (my favorite one), Catch Me If You Can, The Revenant, Django Unchained, and What's Eating Gilbert Grape? (if we go pre-Scorsese).
Overall, I see him as an exceptional movie star who is a good actor.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jan 18, 2024 12:12:52 GMT
I think he's worthy of praise (or credit) for other reasons. This may be debatable, but I consider him the last true movie star. One sign of that (aside from his clout to have options and bankability sans franchises) is every time he has a film out, it's an event. We see he's in a movie and we expect something quality. Audiences trust him. Is he in the same class acting-wise with those guys World of Reel listed off? No, I wouldn't go that far. That level is sky-high. I do think the collaboration with Scorsese will be regarded as legendary. Although oddly enough, the performances I enjoy most are in non-Scorsese films: Once Upon A Time in Hollywood (my favorite one), Catch Me If You Can, The Revenant, Django Unchained, and What's Eating Gilbert Grape? (if we go pre-Scorsese). Overall, I see him as an exceptional movie star who is a good actor. He's in my estimation a better actor than Bogart (great movie star and gave some terrific performances, but as Pauline Kael suggested, his range was limited) . And he's a better screen actor than Olivier. The others have significantly higher peaks than him though.
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Post by stephen on Jan 18, 2024 12:20:56 GMT
I guess BAFTA voters don't read World of Reel.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 18, 2024 12:25:06 GMT
I guess BAFTA voters don't read World of Reel. Based on today's awful picks they may not be able to read at all ........
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Post by futuretrunks on Jan 18, 2024 13:49:19 GMT
Goes without saying.
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Post by stabcaesar on Jan 18, 2024 14:03:18 GMT
More like one of the most overpraised and overacting actors in history.
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Post by ibbi on Jan 18, 2024 14:26:27 GMT
He's so close to him for so long who knows if he even is clear-brained on the subject, but if I had to guess this is just him talking up his boy, and there's no way in a million years that this man, who has watched as many movies as he has, genuinely thinks something so stupid. One of the greatest movie stars? Sure.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 18, 2024 15:08:53 GMT
We should say that somehow DiCap introduced One-Brow to Studio Ghibli ( Martin Stett !) so maybe we should praise this model dating thespian climate activist and stop with the cheap shots MAR - sure he's not Brando, DePac, Olivier, Bogart, Nicholson - but neither is your favorite or as I like to refer to them "those of the lower tiers" ................. movies have been going downhill since the end of the 70s and in a few years you'll just be arguing whether AI Jimmy Stewart is better than AI Kirk Douglas anyway......... Speaking with Letterboxd earlier this week, the two Hollywood stars, who recently collaborated on their sixth movie together, Killers Of The Flower Moon, opened up about DiCaprio’s recommendations, which were both created by Hayao Miyazaki.
“I was asked what films I introduced to you, but considering you’ve seen every film ever made up until 1980, it’s pretty hard to say,” DiCaprio said to the director.
“Other than maybe Spirited Away – Miyazaki’s films – and maybe Princess Monoke,” he continued.
Scorsese responded: “It was Spirited Away you told me to watch,”
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Post by countjohn on Jan 18, 2024 18:47:49 GMT
As other people have said not sure this is really news since he casts him as often as he does. He's not going to be like "nah, Leo's pretty mid" when Leo is the reason he can still get all these big budget movies made.
Anyway, I agree that Leo's not really a "great" actor because he's never been great. He's good often but he doesn't have that one top level performance. People like DePac, DDL, Brando, or Jack have 3-4 performances each at that level, not even just one. Probably more than even that for Pacino.
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Post by countjohn on Jan 18, 2024 18:53:36 GMT
I think he's worthy of praise (or credit) for other reasons. This may be debatable, but I consider him the last true movie star. One sign of that (aside from his clout to have options and bankability sans franchises) is every time he has a film out, it's an event. We see he's in a movie and we expect something quality. Audiences trust him. Is he in the same class acting-wise with those guys World of Reel listed off? No, I wouldn't go that far. That level is sky-high. I do think the collaboration with Scorsese will be regarded as legendary. Although oddly enough, the performances I enjoy most are in non-Scorsese films: Once Upon A Time in Hollywood (my favorite one), Catch Me If You Can, The Revenant, Django Unchained, and What's Eating Gilbert Grape? (if we go pre-Scorsese). Overall, I see him as an exceptional movie star who is a good actor. He's in my estimation a better actor than Bogart (great movie star and gave some terrific performances, but as Pauline Kael suggested, his range was limited) . And he's a better screen actor than Olivier. The others have significantly higher peaks than him though. I'm gonna disagree on Olivier, his main three Shakespeare films, Rebecca, The Entertainer, and even Marathon Man are better performances than anything I've see from Leo.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jan 18, 2024 19:18:29 GMT
He's in my estimation a better actor than Bogart (great movie star and gave some terrific performances, but as Pauline Kael suggested, his range was limited) . And he's a better screen actor than Olivier. The others have significantly higher peaks than him though. I'm gonna disagree on Olivier, his main three Shakespeare films, Rebecca, The Entertainer, and even Marathon Man are better performances than anything I've see from Leo. Well, I've never held Olivier in huge regard as a screen actor, especially considering his reputation. He's got some very good performances (he's fun in Sleuth and gives great Roman slimeball in Spartacus) , but for the most part, I think he's generally too stagey, too technical and his style doesn't hold up strongly for aspiring film actors today. Too much artifice. That's just my opinion though. I mean , Olivier's certainly doing a lot of A-C-T-I-N-G in this clip below of Othello. It's just not my idea of good acting. Broad, declamatory, eye-rolling, excessive gesturing etc. Just hamfisted. I dunno, maybe that stuff worked on stage, but you don't need to do that much on film. Olivier didn't quite understand that, and it marred a lot of his film work. DiCaprio isn't the most subtle film actor around, but he understands the nuances of film acting far better than Olivier. I'd take Leo from The Wolf Of Wall Street, Django Unchained and The Aviator over most of Olivier's film work.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 18, 2024 19:35:51 GMT
He's in my estimation a better actor than Bogart (great movie star and gave some terrific performances, but as Pauline Kael suggested, his range was limited) . And he's a better screen actor than Olivier. The others have significantly higher peaks than him though. I'm gonna disagree on Olivier, his main three Shakespeare films, Rebecca, The Entertainer, and even Marathon Man are better performances than anything I've see from Leo. countjohn , PromNightCarrie if you've never seen Dance of Death (1969) - a very complex, very challenging piece based on a Strindberg play so it's hard work to watch even - and a hard film to even see at one time - it is among his best and underseen "great roles" imo........I think there may be Olivier fans on the board who don't even know it..... it's on the rarefilmm website..............unlike most actors Olivier has great work imo that goes far deeper than his popular, Oscar nodded work........ Might make a good comparison with Leo's Revolutionary Road - that's sort of a joke but it applies in a way.......and Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? also, moreso that one..........
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Jan 19, 2024 5:10:25 GMT
Makes sense. He's going to go down as one of the greats and a lot of the criticisms thrown at him will come out in the wash like all iconic actors before him.
I do think Scorsese honestly does believe that Leo does great work. Leo allows him to paint on a much larger canvas, but it's not like Scorsese wouldn't be able to get any film off the ground without Leo. He enjoys working with him and makes him central to his work; I doubt he'd repeat it so much for just any bankable star, though it'd be hilarious to see what Scorsese would do with someone like The Rock.
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