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Post by mhynson27 on Jul 23, 2023 0:23:39 GMT
I'd be surprised if this gets more than production design, costume and song noms. Gosling's good but i didn't even find him nom worthy. Rule #1 of Oscar predicting, don't let your personal bias get in the way.
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Post by Billy_Costigan on Jul 23, 2023 3:24:07 GMT
Big fan of Gerwig but I think this is clearly her 3rd best behind Little Women and Lady Bird.
There's a lot to like but not everything works. The first half or so is great but some of it was too bizarre for me. The Mattel plot is a waste. It doesn't go anywhere and the ending is clunky. I think there's a better film here if they focused more on the emotion than the comedy.
The comedy doesn't always land and it felt a bit dumbed down for "general" audiences. The mother/daughter emotion (along with the Billie Eilish song) are perfect though.
Robbie is very good but Gosling is genuinely great. He's perfect in the role and you can't wait for him to show up on screen again.
7/10
Considering the success, 5+ noms seem like a strong possibility.
Best Supporting Actor Best Production Design Best Costume Design Best Makeup and Hairstyling Best Original Song
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Post by futuretrunks on Jul 23, 2023 3:51:36 GMT
Massive step down after Little Women. The script is just lazy. Ferrera's rant was not remotely as affecting as the hype indicated, and by the time Rhea Perlman and Margot were talking about becoming human at the end I was just done with it. Gosling deserved much better material. Robbie is increasingly a one-note actress. Beautiful and photographs wonderfully, but would it kill her to approach a role without the vestiges of her last 5 performances once in a while?
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Post by Pavan on Jul 23, 2023 4:36:47 GMT
I'd be surprised if this gets more than production design, costume and song noms. Gosling's good but i didn't even find him nom worthy. Rule #1 of Oscar predicting, don't let your personal bias get in the way. We are far away from actual predictions. There will come a time when we all look at the awards season and where each films stands so that we can predict accurately. This is not that post.
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Post by Joaquim on Jul 23, 2023 7:15:09 GMT
Massive step down after Little Women. The script is just lazy. Ferrera's rant was not remotely as affecting as the hype indicated, and by the time Rhea Perlman and Margot were talking about becoming human at the end I was just done with it. Gosling deserved much better material. Robbie is increasingly a one-note actress. Beautiful and photographs wonderfully, but would it kill her to approach a role without the vestiges of her last 5 performances once in a while? Glad to see someone on here sees what I see in Ferrera here. Her performance was absolutely grating. She is not a good actress. I did like the monologue, it was good on paper but Ferrera’s delivery was awful. Shit I probably would’ve been cheering too like the rest of the crowd was if her monologue was delivered by a much more capable actress
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Post by havok2 on Jul 23, 2023 14:22:17 GMT
Good concept poor delivery from everyone but Gosling. The third act needed a serious rewrite and it is as politically dunce as a doll
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 23, 2023 19:32:00 GMT
He seems so much more active and aware of things in 2023 as opposed to 1992 where he was mostly just aware of his The Fall records and 1994 when you were kind of surprised that he knew who Smashing Pumpkins were in the first place
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Post by mhynson27 on Jul 24, 2023 3:59:06 GMT
Do you guys have this Original or Adapted??
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Post by Barbie on Jul 24, 2023 4:38:02 GMT
Massive step down after Little Women. The script is just lazy. Ferrera's rant was not remotely as affecting as the hype indicated, and by the time Rhea Perlman and Margot were talking about becoming human at the end I was just done with it. Gosling deserved much better material. Robbie is increasingly a one-note actress. Beautiful and photographs wonderfully, but would it kill her to approach a role without the vestiges of her last 5 performances once in a while? How is Robbie a one-note actress? Of all the people to say that about. Did we watch the same performance? Lol
She showed range in this movie
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Post by Barbie on Jul 24, 2023 4:44:04 GMT
People calling this movie "preachy" are soft as fuck, sorry. Or we just don't like having a certain kind of data/point of view getting shoved down our throat The feminism in this movie isn't radical. It's really such a broad safe feminism "Girl power! Equality!". It's basic liberal feminism. It's funny bc I've seen many sjws online and on Letterboxd hate this movie and incorrectly call it "girlboss feminism" bc it wasn't radical and wished it was
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Post by Nikan on Jul 24, 2023 14:33:40 GMT
Or we just don't like having a certain kind of data/point of view getting shoved down our throat The feminism in this movie isn't radical. It's really such a broad safe feminism "Girl power! Equality!". It's basic liberal feminism. It's funny bc I've seen many sjws online and on Letterboxd hate this movie and incorrectly call it "girlboss feminism" bc it wasn't radical and wished it was "Hi Barbie!"The thing is, I'm just shocked to see how and about what this movie turned out to be (Maybe I shouldn't have, but again, my first Gerwig)... I imagine a lot of parents dressed in pink along with their children who attend Barbie are just like me too... which is real sneaky on the filmmakers and advertisers' part; the trailers reveal none of what we're here to "get educated" about (anything to get those butts on the seats right?)… and people on this board call it "fun" and "blast" where I see only over-simplification of very real things and pure division... maybe I'm being too simple. I wish I was a young lad when the 1st Jurassic Park came out.
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Post by speeders on Jul 24, 2023 16:56:13 GMT
Do you guys have this Original or Adapted?? Adapted. It's based on IP. It even says so in the credits so if this is not where it's placed I'll be shocked.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 25, 2023 15:11:58 GMT
People calling this movie "preachy" are soft as fuck, sorry. Or we just don't like having a certain kind of data/point of view getting shoved down our throat Yeah, the amount of slack being granted Gerwig is pretty astonishing(ly stupid) too: You can criticize her film on non-political grounds - strictly on its filmmaking - and it gets labeled puerile (nope) -if you call it preachy - because it's you know, preachy af at a certain point anyway - and be called "soft" - but the movie is actually on purpose preachy - that's what Gerwig was going for on some level - it's just how much it resonates that is the issue ................. you can say a movie about a doll (um) should have "a love story" in it somewhere ...........and get yelled at because that wasn't Gerwig's "point" (her point then was not fully realized is the point there rather).....................if anyone were to try the opposite of what this movie's uber-fans are doing : calling people who genuinely love the movie - (unironically) SJW's, Woke, Soy Boys - people would laugh at them..........and they'd be right to laugh at them..........but they are equally absurd......... This idea that a movie can not be separated from its inherent, implicit politics is spectacularly stupid - it doesn't have to be of course - you can link them too - but it can be done ...........it's done all the time.......... The backlash to the backlash to this movie / Gerwig is pretty meta-funny - it made a billion dollars, reviews are great, people dig it.......... it's like Barbie has an army of Michael Corleone's to do her bidding on Twitter and message boards ............:
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Post by Nikan on Jul 25, 2023 16:06:42 GMT
Or we just don't like having a certain kind of data/point of view getting shoved down our throat Yeah, the amount of slack being granted Gerwig is pretty astonishing(ly stupid) too: You can criticize her film on non-political grounds - strictly on its filmmaking - and it gets labeled puerile (nope) -if you call it preachy - because it's you know, preachy af at a certain point anyway - and be called "soft" - but the movies is actually on purpose preachy - that's what Gerwig was going for on some level - it's just how much it resonates that is the issue ................. you can say a movie about a doll (um) should have "a love story" in it somewhere ...........and get yelled at because that wasn't Gerwig's "point" (her point then was not fully realized is the point there rather).....................if anyone were to try the opposite of what this movies uber-fans are doing : calling people who genuinely love the movie - (unironically) SJW's, Woke, Soy Boys - people would laugh at them..........and they'd be right to laugh at them..........but they are equally absurd......... This idea that a movie can not be separated from its inherent, implicit politics is spectacularly stupid - it doesn't have to be of course - you can link them too - but it can be done ...........it's done all the time.......... The backlash to the backlash to this movie / Gerwig is pretty meta-funny - it made a billion dollars, reviews are great, people dig it.......... it's like Barbie has an army of Michael Corleone's to do her bidding on Twitter and message boards ............: There are terminologies going on here that I personally am not that familiar with - I don't follow Twitter discussions at all, couldn't care less about this director but we're off to a bad start, what branch of feminism does the movie eventually fall under, what SJWs are focusing on, what branch of them are we referring to … I wanted to see a good movie, something more tolerable ( Oppenheimer in it's totality felt shorter than the second hour of this)… cinematically I thought it was good for an hour max, and you were right on the money in the other thread. Naturally, there are different ways to read (or choose to read) a movie but to look at it only as Barbie and Ken "finding themselves independently yay" seem pretty surface-level to me... that conclusion I find real backwards too. Some people said it's "Beauvoirian" and I (who don't know much about it) say FINE! It would've been the bomb if it was released 40 years ago ... who is it going to help now anyhow? (if you're reading this in Joe Pesci rant-voice you're doing it right) in already-loneliness-driven 2020s? (and people are going to watch this one, so it has a role, culturally - and oh does it know it)… I might've left things out of my focus but that's how I felt about it... it's self-important, misguided call for division dressed in summer delight. That's my beachin', while our MAR friends are having a blast!
Goin' crazy ova hie ...
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Post by Joaquim on Jul 25, 2023 16:12:52 GMT
Most movies have a message they want to preach. Saying a movie is preachy is not a valid criticism of it but the execution of its preachiness is certainly fair game
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Post by stephen on Jul 25, 2023 16:15:21 GMT
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Jul 25, 2023 17:51:02 GMT
Yeah, the amount of slack being granted Gerwig is pretty astonishing(ly stupid) too: You can criticize her film on non-political grounds - strictly on its filmmaking - and it gets labeled puerile (nope) -if you call it preachy - because it's you know, preachy af at a certain point anyway - and be called "soft" - but the movies is actually on purpose preachy - that's what Gerwig was going for on some level - it's just how much it resonates that is the issue ................. you can say a movie about a doll (um) should have "a love story" in it somewhere ...........and get yelled at because that wasn't Gerwig's "point" (her point then was not fully realized is the point there rather).....................if anyone were to try the opposite of what this movies uber-fans are doing : calling people who genuinely love the movie - (unironically) SJW's, Woke, Soy Boys - people would laugh at them..........and they'd be right to laugh at them..........but they are equally absurd......... This idea that a movie can not be separated from its inherent, implicit politics is spectacularly stupid - it doesn't have to be of course - you can link them too - but it can be done ...........it's done all the time.......... The backlash to the backlash to this movie / Gerwig is pretty meta-funny - it made a billion dollars, reviews are great, people dig it.......... it's like Barbie has an army of Michael Corleone's to do her bidding on Twitter and message boards ............: Some people said it's "Beauvoirian" and I (who don't know much about it) say FINE! It would've been the bomb if it was released 40 years ago ... who is it going to help now anyhow? (if you're reading this in Joe Pesci rant-voice you're doing it right) in already-loneliness-driven 2020s? (and people are going to watch this one, so it has a role, culturally - and oh does it know it) That was me who called it "Beauvoirian," referring to the French feminist existentialist Simone de Beauvoir. I took a big interest in philosophy some years back and she along with Sartre (her lover for most of their lives) and Camus (whom I quote in my status) are some of the heavy hitters for the 20th century that stuck with me. And the film is very existential, it hinges on the idea of the characters discovering their own autonomy and breaking out of the confines of their predetermined roles as pawns in a child's game (stereotypical Barbie can hold complicated emotions, Ken can be more than just in the shadow of Barbie). I'm surprised at your repeated assertion the film is a call for division. It seems pretty clear to me the movie is trying to reconcile how gender norms can be just as bad no matter where you fit on it. In the seeming matriarchal utopia at the beginning of the film, the Kens are the second-class citizens with no power and nothing better to do with their times than compete with one another for the affections of the Barbies, some of whom just couldn't care less (though iirc Emma Mackey's Barbie does have a Ken she's with romantically and whom he calls for when the Kens come into their own at the end). Even Weird Barbie is outcasted just for not fitting in to the "perfect" image of Barbieland. The whole idea of the end is that the Barbies stop themselves from being subjugated but will need to accept a more egalitarian structure (though they'll work on that slowly by just giving a Ken a circuit judge slot). Empowerment for women should not come at the expense of men, everyone should get to be who they wanna be (B-A-R-B-I-E).
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Post by countjohn on Jul 25, 2023 21:27:59 GMT
The backlash to the backlash to this movie / Gerwig is pretty meta-funny - it made a billion dollars, reviews are great, people dig it.......... it's like Barbie has an army of Michael Corleone's to do her bidding on Twitter and message boards ............: The insecurity in pop stan culture (which this seems to be an extension of) always astounds me. There were people doxxing and threatening to kill a Pitchfork writer for "only" giving a Taylor Swift album an 8/10. This movie had the biggest opening of the year and is likely to get a BP nom and might even win in big categories like screenplay or supporting actor. Why do these people care if two guys on Twitter don't like it? Do they exclusively derive their self esteem from 100% of people liking whatever they like? Such little/no dick energy. I like all kinds of movies and music that has a mixed at best critical reception and I don't care because I like it.
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Post by Nikan on Jul 26, 2023 1:25:56 GMT
Some people said it's "Beauvoirian" and I (who don't know much about it) say FINE! It would've been the bomb if it was released 40 years ago ... who is it going to help now anyhow? (if you're reading this in Joe Pesci rant-voice you're doing it right) in already-loneliness-driven 2020s? (and people are going to watch this one, so it has a role, culturally - and oh does it know it) That was me who called it "Beauvoirian," referring to the French feminist existentialist Simone de Beauvoir. I took a big interest in philosophy some years back and she along with Sartre (her lover for most of their lives) and Camus (whom I quote in my status) are some of the heavy hitters for the 20th century that stuck with me. And the film is very existential, it hinges on the idea of the characters discovering their own autonomy and breaking out of the confines of their predetermined roles as pawns in a child's game (stereotypical Barbie can hold complicated emotions, Ken can be more than just in the shadow of Barbie). I'm surprised at your repeated assertion the film is a call for division. It seems pretty clear to me the movie is trying to reconcile how gender norms can be just as bad no matter where you fit on it. In the seeming matriarchal utopia at the beginning of the film, the Kens are the second-class citizens with no power and nothing better to do with their times than compete with one another for the affections of the Barbies, some of whom just couldn't care less (though iirc Emma Mackey's Barbie does have a Ken she's with romantically and whom he calls for when the Kens come into their own at the end). Even Weird Barbie is outcasted just for not fitting in to the "perfect" image of Barbieland. The whole idea of the end is that the Barbies stop themselves from being subjugated but will need to accept a more egalitarian structure (though they'll work on that slowly by just giving a Ken a circuit judge slot). Empowerment for women should not come at the expense of men, everyone should get to be who they wanna be (B-A-R-B-I-E). It was indeed you but I looked up briefly some analysis online and I saw others (mentioned on wiki page) going your way about it; so figured that this is a term associated with a certain lens some people are looking at this movie through, that's why I didn't specify your name... and you connect the dots well, though we're operating in different places. I'm sure you know most of these but bear with me: these are not just characters coming to terms with themselves under the same roof all happened to be named Kens and Barbies; these are based on universally-known toys and brand (and I didn't get why you spelled it like that at the end / forgot to mention that it's such a non-self-sustainable movie too that isn't good) which are the 1st reason so many people come to watch this thing in the first place (probably more people than just Robbie and Gosling fans, definitely more than people who care for Gerwig) that's why it has made this much money I think, and the filmmakers know that (like Ferrara isn't only playing that character, she's a stand-in for members of the audience) and grin about the "subversion" they're about to make while looking all preachy "unsubtle". The movie, beyond all of what you wrote, betrays the ideals of those toys and those who loved them (unlike The Lego Movie, which didn't have such audacity as far as I remember) by, yes, simply separating Ken and Barbie, masked as a progressive pose that make Thelma and Louise look more ahead. "You only truly learn who you are - when you're apart" that is the road Margot and Ryan take (forget a secondary ghost of another Barbie making a different decision in the background if you catch one, they're there as cop-outs for the movie's obvious argument) and that is the advice that Gerwig and Baumbach have for us - and the younger among us in, again, 2023; an all-time high period of loneliness and detachment between men and women (especially in the west). Am I reading too much into (or out of!) it? am I complaining that I didn't get the movie I wanted out of it? (and if so, don't we all do that in one way or another whenever we criticize one?) maybe... but it's ok to expect more, and ask our "artists" for less conformity and wider eyes... gender norms bad / anyone has the right to be who they wanna be … what else is new?
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 26, 2023 7:09:06 GMT
The movie, beyond all of what you wrote, betrays the ideals of those toys and those who loved them This is exactly right - and pithy.........it has great pith. If you believe this ^ (you don't have to.......but I do) then nothing else the movie layers on top of it really sticks except fitfully........Hell is other people..........not other dolls (sorry bad joke) "It is literally impossible to be a woman".......Is it though? Ah well, everybody's got a problem - that's yours baby.......but men in the audience tend to feel that way too about being a man I guess............ it's only Love that makes it bearable after all for all of us for both sexes in both worlds .........that is what's missing from the movie's complicated (and overstuffed) conceptual design ..... Side note: In my review I made a joke that Barbie should be suicidal after what she found in the real world and rip her own head off to the great Elvis Costello song......the movie actually hints at even a darker femcel future for her than that: Never ending self improvement classes, lonely girls nights out of endless cheese dip and bowling, credit card debt from buying so many jeans with elastic waistbands, gynecology appointments for at best the potentially relationship challenged / averse .........or ironically the willfully asexual......... no God (or Mattel), to give any purpose to a Life Wasted as you contemplate the Comforting Sweet Warm Embrace of Death .......
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Post by urbanpatrician on Jul 28, 2023 2:12:07 GMT
3.5
Gerwig is mediocre. The pop culture references cover up for Gerwig's lack of own ideas. The Mattel stuff is boring. Will Ferrell's presence alone drags it down (washed up actor). The 3rd act felt longer than ROTK's, the endless stuff they're jabbering about in the 3rd feels irrelevant. In need of an aim. Feels like I was getting Enchanted at first, but it becomes a different movie. Originally felt like a Pixar concept but again it kinda gets worse as it goes along. Margot Robbie blows another chance to add a top performance to her resume. 2 straight major movies (Babylon, Barbie) and she does not do anything worthwhile. The most high profile actress in 2020s Hollywood is starting to relinquish her title to Florence Pugh and a possible 2nd wave of J. Law after NHF. Not enough Aqua. Yet another failure on the movie's part - not appealing to the millenials generation, which is a major chunk of this film's audience. Barbie Girl is what most millenials care about anyways..... there were rows of people singing it before the movie screened and all we got is Nicki Minaj & Ice Spice's bland remake.
I guess that sums up how I feel about it.
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Post by dazed on Aug 9, 2023 0:14:34 GMT
caught this again in the theatre and it was just as enjoyable as the first time. the movie is just so fun to watch, and some parts hit even harder this time around. such as the camcorder segment at the end showing the human experience. i’m a sucker for nostalgic footage and loved the use of it here. the mundanity of life and how special those little moments really are. also when barbie is sitting on the bench and every human emotion hits her at once. *chefs kiss*
i don’t want to get too political but the movie obviously has feminist messages throughout it. i think it goes beyond the ‘typical liberal feminism’ we see in movies though where women in power = good, as it dispels that notion saying how a matriarchy will come with its multitude of issues. while saying that, there were a decent bit of introductory feminist elements so i understand those arguments. i especially love the message it had for what it means to be a ‘man’. especially with all the red pill discussions that have been happening as of recent, where ‘alpha males’ try and give ‘advice’ of how to win women over and what to do to make a woman love you. pretty much shaping your entire identity around women. it really shoots that idea down and goes after the incel movement of how having power over women ultimately isn’t going to make you happier, and how you can’t define yourself based on a relationship you have with said person. that you yourself is what defines you.
also margot robbie hasn’t been getting enough recognition for this. gosling has been getting raves and rightfully so and i know robbie doesn’t have a showy role, but she is the heart of the movie and carries the emotional beats so well. she’s a huge reason why the tonal shifts worked as well as they did.
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Post by stabcaesar on Aug 11, 2023 15:39:39 GMT
Just caught it in the cinema. It’s a much more heavy-handed and uglier-looking Soul. The only aspects about it I think work very well are Margot Robbie, who’s very good here, and the use of music, which is brilliant. Gosling is strong in the first hour or so, but his final big scene is kind of laughable (his biceps are stunning though). The supporting cast is generally bad. Will Farrell, Michael Cera, all the other Barbies (esp. Issa Rae and Dua Lipa), and America Ferrera are all pretty fucking intolerable.
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Post by Nikan on Aug 13, 2023 9:25:32 GMT
Uploaded on Turner Classic Movies channel (I don't actively seek these see-through interviews): Lubitsch has influenced Barbie, and Hawkes, and Fellini, and Cukor, and K. Hepburn (we could think about why The Philadelphia Story feels like a more progressive movie than Gerwig's a million years later while we're at it)… the nerve on this girl srsly She was aiming for that sweet The Red Shoes effect, but her finished work looks like (the more tolerable) Barb and Star Go to Vista Del Mar. I don't see the director of that movie being interviewed about how they " embraced the artificially of the setstotally"... who even knows who that is? Not targeting anyone's affection for this work here (again, I'm happy it didn't feel like a waste of money and time to you) but it (and the media talk surrounding it) seems like such a circus to me... oh I see the Fellini connection now.
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 13, 2023 10:43:13 GMT
Uploaded on Turner Classic Movies channel (I don't actively seek these see-through interviews): Lubitsch has influenced Barbie, and Hawkes, and Fellini, and Cukor, and K. Hepburn (we could think about why The Philadelphia Story feels like a more progressive movie than Gerwig's a million years later while we're at it)… the nerve on this girl srsly
Observation :Let me see if I have this straight: I get called "too serious" for an obviously joking post (funny too) - saying John Lone shouldn't win a "best" acting poll in 1987 - and she says this ^ with a straight face no less - and will get a BD nod and MAR will actually agree with her I reckon and say "she has so many ideas / influences!" .......ah the privileges of being the auteur ammirite? Also, this film got compared on MAR to Sartre and Camus ffs.........so "seriousness" is not exclusively a pacinoyes thing..........but hey............ what do I know ..............I'm just a simple man ........
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