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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Feb 2, 2020 22:38:37 GMT
No Country/There Will Be Blood The thought of the massive debates people surely had over which one of these two was better when they were both fresh seems like the stuff of legends. I was like 10 years old in 2007 so I missed all of it, lmfao. The awards battles this decade have mostly sucked. That year had a great group of films up for Oscars. Moonlight/La La Land was comparable. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2020 22:40:50 GMT
The thought of the massive debates people surely had over which one of these two was better when they were both fresh seems like the stuff of legends. I was like 10 years old in 2007 so I missed all of it, lmfao. The awards battles this decade have mostly sucked. That year had a great group of films up for Oscars. Moonlight/La La Land was comparable. Eh, not a great matchup really, but I did see a decent amount of debates over it. Moonlight winning was what seemed to really blow everything up. |
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Post by jimmalone on Feb 2, 2020 22:45:59 GMT
This doesn't really change the Best Picture race though.
The british film was expected to take this prize here. So the only way today's outcome would really have changed the perception we should have about Best Picture would have been it Parasite would have won here. So 1917 remains the favourite with Parasite as the biggest challenger.
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Post by quetee on Feb 2, 2020 22:50:28 GMT
This doesn't really change the Best Picture race though. The british film was expected to take this prize here. So the only way today's outcome would really have changed the perception we should have about Best Picture would have been it Parasite would have won here. So 1917 remains the favourite with Parasite as the biggest challenger. I still would be shocked if Parasite won best picture. |
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Post by jasonjoliepitt on Feb 2, 2020 23:03:18 GMT
Well, 1917 has gotten the kiss of death from BAFTA.
Parasite is taking BP at the Oscar.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Feb 2, 2020 23:20:21 GMT
well that's it. 1917 is going to be our next BP. Or not? As has been pointed out, BAFTA's been a curse for five years running now. PGA and DGA aren't cursed. Globes aren't cursed. All 1917 winning at BAFTA means is that the film with the most momentum... still has the most momentum. 1917 has been dominating dude. Parasite is in second but it's not a super close second. |
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Post by jasonjoliepitt on Feb 3, 2020 0:49:08 GMT
Or not? As has been pointed out, BAFTA's been a curse for five years running now. PGA and DGA aren't cursed. Globes aren't cursed. All 1917 winning at BAFTA means is that the film with the most momentum... still has the most momentum. 1917 has been dominating dude. Parasite is in second but it's not a super close second. Exactly what La La Land has won and it went in with an even bigger momentum and look what happened. Winning all the awards even including the BD at Oscar still wouldn’t matter much if it’s losing BP. Distance or close second or even third doesn’t matter, enough votes to prevail in the preferential ballot at very end is what matters. Having said that, I think it is a toss up at the moment although I personally would love to see Parasite takes home the trophy. |
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Post by avnermoriarti on Feb 3, 2020 0:59:52 GMT
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Feb 3, 2020 1:21:19 GMT
Exactly what La La Land has won and it went in with an even bigger momentum and look what happened. Only Parasite didn't win BP at the Globes like Parasite did. I know in theory the Globes aren't supposed to mean much, but they gave Moonlight momentum at the right time and kept them visible as a frontrunner in the race. Parasite has SAG and the WGA, which is no small feat but outside of critics groups it hasn't won a single BP award. Moonlight winning was an upset. Parasite winning would be a huge upset. All signs are pointing to 1917. |
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Post by jasonjoliepitt on Feb 3, 2020 1:45:12 GMT
Exactly what La La Land has won and it went in with an even bigger momentum and look what happened. Only Parasite didn't win BP at the Globes like Parasite did. I know in theory the Globes aren't supposed to mean much, but they gave Moonlight momentum at the right time and kept them visible as a frontrunner in the race. Parasite has SAG and the WGA, which is no small feat but outside of critics groups it hasn't won a single BP award. Moonlight winning was an upset. Parasite winning would be a huge upset. All signs are pointing to 1917. I think you meant to say Parasite didn’t win Globe BP like Moonlight did? Don’t forget though that isn’t a fair comparison. Parasite was not in contention in the drama category and it did win BP in another “lesser” category. And the only thing Moonlight has won at the Globe was BP. It lost everything else including director and screenplay. Parasite obviously has wider industry support than moonlight having won the SAG/WGA/ACE/ADG. It is already pulling off something no other foreign language film has ever done before. With all the stats being broken by Moonlight, Parasite winning isn’t really that much of a shocker. The only disadvantage I see for Parasite is that the film is not in English and that would be the sole reason why it wasn’t winning. |
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Post by The-Havok on Feb 3, 2020 1:48:42 GMT
Exactly what La La Land has won and it went in with an even bigger momentum and look what happened. Only Parasite didn't win BP at the Globes like Parasite did. I know in theory the Globes aren't supposed to mean much, but they gave Moonlight momentum at the right time and kept them visible as a frontrunner in the race. Parasite has SAG and the WGA, which is no small feat but outside of critics groups it hasn't won a single BP award. Moonlight winning was an upset. Parasite winning would be a huge upset. All signs are pointing to 1917. Parasite wasn't even elegible for the Motion Picture Drama/Comedy top prizes. |
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Post by Zeb31 on Feb 3, 2020 2:48:21 GMT
PGA and DGA aren't cursed. Globes aren't cursed. All 1917 winning at BAFTA means is that the film with the most momentum... still has the most momentum. 1917 has been dominating dude. Parasite is in second but it's not a super close second. Exactly what La La Land has won and it went in with an even bigger momentum and look what happened. La La Land was ultimately hurt by two things: dominating the conversation too drastically (sky-high critical and audience raves, record-tying 14 Oscar nominations, record-breaking 7 Globe wins, massive guild love), and nonsense racial controversy that took on at the last minute. Neither of those applies to 1917. It hasn't had anywhere near as dramatic a sweep (not the film with the most Oscar nominations or Globe wins this year, shut out by SAG, no ACE or WGA wins, less hyperbolic reactions both from critics and from casual moviegoers); it has no similar racial controversy and no time left for one to catch on; and finally, the shortened season makes it less likely for serious fatigue to gain strength among voters. It's easier to get tired of 6 full months (from Venice to the Oscars) of "THIS IS THE GREATEST THING SINCE SLICED BREAD" than it is 1917's success, which has been way less hyperbolic. The ceremony being pushed up so much means the film is peaking at the right moment and there might not be enough time for its momentum to deflate the way that La La Land's (and Three Billboards' the year after that) did. It's not that it can't lose; Parasite is very much a threat, and I wouldn't be surprised to see it upset. But La La Land/Moonlight isn't the best comparison here because the progressions of the two seasons have been significantly different so far. |
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Post by bob-coppola on Feb 3, 2020 3:23:09 GMT
Congratulations to those four people who won all of BAFTA, GG, SAG and CC and will win an Oscar next week! They must all be really good and undeniable to have such massive sweep a la Cate Blanchett in Blue Jasmine! Yay, that's such an exciting race to watch! Very deserving!
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 3, 2020 6:21:58 GMT
Brave speech. Calling the BAFTAs out for systemic racism whilst accepting an award from them was a ballsy move, but he's got the Oscar in the bag, so he probably has no more fucks left to give. |
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Feb 3, 2020 10:06:41 GMT
Brave speech. Calling the BAFTAs out for systemic racism whilst accepting an award from them was a ballsy move, but he's got the Oscar in the bag, so he probably has no more fucks left to give. Like their bizarre ignoring of Denzel all these years. I'm not for handouts. And there are bigger problems than award ceremonies. But it is strange that not a single BAFTA nomination in Denzel's entire career. |
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Post by TerryMontana on Feb 3, 2020 10:44:23 GMT
I need to repeat myseelf but I don't understand why Pitt's and Dern's performances are so undeniable...
Anyway, I like them both in general and they deserve their upcoming Oscars for the careers they've made.
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Post by jasonjoliepitt on Feb 4, 2020 2:47:46 GMT
Exactly what La La Land has won and it went in with an even bigger momentum and look what happened. La La Land was ultimately hurt by two things: dominating the conversation too drastically (sky-high critical and audience raves, record-tying 14 Oscar nominations, record-breaking 7 Globe wins, massive guild love), and nonsense racial controversy that took on at the last minute. Neither of those applies to 1917. It hasn't had anywhere near as dramatic a sweep (not the film with the most Oscar nominations or Globe wins this year, shut out by SAG, no ACE or WGA wins, less hyperbolic reactions both from critics and from casual moviegoers); it has no similar racial controversy and no time left for one to catch on; and finally, the shortened season makes it less likely for serious fatigue to gain strength among voters. It's easier to get tired of 6 full months (from Venice to the Oscars) of "THIS IS THE GREATEST THING SINCE SLICED BREAD" than it is 1917's success, which has been way less hyperbolic. The ceremony being pushed up so much means the film is peaking at the right moment and there might not be enough time for its momentum to deflate the way that La La Land's (and Three Billboards' the year after that) did. It's not that it can't lose; Parasite is very much a threat, and I wouldn't be surprised to see it upset. But La La Land/Moonlight isn't the best comparison here because the progressions of the two seasons have been significantly different so far. You couldn't have said it better on the entire thing but my intention was not about comparing this season to the La La Land/Moonlight, it is because so many people are using stats to validate their arguments. The comparison was drawn in because a film can win almost everything under the sun yet still lost the biggest prize during Oscar night, just look at Brokeback Mountain and La La Land. Whether the time is enough to deflate 1917's momentum and would the diversity controversial work in Parasite's favor, we shall wait and see on the coming Sunday night. |
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