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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 15, 2019 10:03:21 GMT
I realize you can always argue this sort of thing but he got all 4 precursor nods (CC, BAFTA, GG, SAG) and his film which he dominates got a BP nod and multiple nods and was a hit too.
Are there any others comparable to that or can you legitimately call it the biggest acting snub ever?
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Post by Good God on Dec 15, 2019 10:26:56 GMT
Gene Hackman in The Conversation, maybe. With Hanks, at least you can point to Captain Phillips losing strength and DiCaprio's and Bale's movies gaining enough strength to push him out. Hackman got nominated for the Globe, the BAFTA, and was in a Best Picture nominee, but still missed out to Albert Finney, who had no Best Picture nominee and no Globe nomination.
Now, obviously things were very different then with the BAFTAs not being a precursor because of the dates, and there was no SAG, either. But that's one that has always perplexed me.
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Post by thomasjerome on Dec 15, 2019 10:40:46 GMT
got all 4 precursor nods (CC, BAFTA, GG, SAG) and his film which he dominates got a BP nod and multiple nods and was a hit too. All these can be said about Amy Adams (Arrival) as well. |
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Post by Good God on Dec 15, 2019 10:42:49 GMT
All these can be said about Amy Adams (Arrival) as well. Arrival is a science fiction movie; a genre the Academy has some level of bias against, at least as far as acting contenders go. It was a surprise, but not a shock (to me, anyway). |
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Post by sirjeremy on Dec 15, 2019 20:58:40 GMT
Sally Field for Forrest Gump is always the one snub I've never understood. She was in a massive box office hit which got 13 nominations, was a double winner, and received a SAG nomination. What happened?
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Post by stephen on Dec 15, 2019 21:01:09 GMT
I've always thought Peter O'Toole for The Last Emperor to be the biggest headscratcher ever. The juggernaut sweeper of the season, won nine Oscars, and yet got zero acting nods, particularly for an actor who by that point had gone winless after seven nominations, in arguably the weakest field in Supporting Actor for decades, the same year they gave a veteran win to a guy who had never been nominated before in a film that was not a big hit with the Academy.
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 15, 2019 21:04:49 GMT
I've always thought Peter O'Toole for The Last Emperor to be the biggest headscratcher ever. The juggernaut sweeper of the season, won nine Oscars, and yet got zero acting nods, particularly for an actor who by that point had gone winless after seven nominations, in arguably the weakest field in Supporting Actor for decades, the same year they gave a veteran win to a guy who had never been nominated before in a film that was not a big hit with the Academy. The real headscratcher for The Last Emperor was John Lone not being nominated. He was magnificent in that movie, and a nomination or win would have probably changed the course of his career. |
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Post by stephen on Dec 15, 2019 21:05:55 GMT
I've always thought Peter O'Toole for The Last Emperor to be the biggest headscratcher ever. The juggernaut sweeper of the season, won nine Oscars, and yet got zero acting nods, particularly for an actor who by that point had gone winless after seven nominations, in arguably the weakest field in Supporting Actor for decades, the same year they gave a veteran win to a guy who had never been nominated before in a film that was not a big hit with the Academy. The real headscratcher for The Last Emperor was John Lone not being nominated. He was magnificent in that movie, and a nomination or win would have probably changed the course of his career. I mean, it makes sense with the Academy's shitty history with Asian actors why he wasn't nominated. But yeah, he ruled in that movie and deserved to win against that weak-ass field. |
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Post by TheAlwaysClassy on Dec 15, 2019 21:09:03 GMT
Irons for Dead Ringers and Giamatti for Sideways come to mind.
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Post by stephen on Dec 15, 2019 21:10:18 GMT
Irons for Dead Ringers and Giamatti for Sideways come to mind. Irons was in a reeeeeeeally unfriendly movie, though. The Academy never really recognized Cronenberg until he had stepped away from body horror, The Fly's makeup win notwithstanding. Giamatti, though, that's a puzzler. |
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Post by finniussnrub on Dec 15, 2019 21:11:50 GMT
Bob Hoskins not winning for Mona Lisa. He won EVERYTHING, then lost to Newman's makeup win.
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Post by futuretrunks on Dec 15, 2019 21:14:35 GMT
In terms of general expectations, it's up there, but in terms of the quality of the performance, not at all IMO. Most of the movie Hanks is just standing there looking baffled, and for all of the hoopla about his breakdown, I didn't find it viscerally affecting at all. Dozens of more impactful breakdowns just in this decade alone. So when Hanks kept getting nominated for stuff and the Tapleys etc. were talking about how bowled over they were I was so confused, same with Adams in Arrival.
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Post by finniussnrub on Dec 15, 2019 21:18:28 GMT
In terms of nominations, I'd have to say the double Richard Attenborough snub for The Sand Pepples and then Doctor Dolittle. He won the globe for both, two films the academy supported with best picture noms, yet he got snubbed twice in a row.
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 15, 2019 21:28:39 GMT
In terms of general expectations, it's up there, but in terms of the quality of the performance, not at all IMO. Most of the movie Hanks is just standing there looking baffled, and for all of the hoopla about his breakdown, I didn't find it viscerally affecting at all. Dozens of more impactful breakdowns just in this decade alone. So when Hanks kept getting nominated for stuff and the Tapleys etc. were talking about how bowled over they were I was so confused, same with Adams in Arrival. Pretty much this. He was more than fine and typically Hanks solid, but there have been hundreds of better performances that have missed an Oscar nomination. But in terms of expectation to be nominated based on precursors/strength of film, it's up there, as is Paul Giammati in Sideways. |
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Post by stephen on Dec 15, 2019 21:33:52 GMT
In terms of nominations, I'd have to say the double Richard Attenborough snub for The Sand Pepples and then Doctor Dolittle. He won the globe for both, two films the academy supported with best picture noms, yet he got snubbed twice in a row. Good thing we're making up for it now. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 21:45:44 GMT
The one that still stings is Dennis Quaid in Far from Heaven - GG and SAG nods, NYFCC win - a hard-working actor playing against type to devastating effect in a handsome, respected film - I just can't fathom how this didn't happen.
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Post by stephen on Dec 15, 2019 22:01:08 GMT
Bob Hoskins not winning for Mona Lisa. He won EVERYTHING, then lost to Newman's makeup win. This needs to be hammered into our collective consciousness every year whenever someone talks about awards robbery. No one was screwed more than Hoskins. |
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Post by sirjeremy on Dec 15, 2019 22:09:35 GMT
Bob Hoskins not winning for Mona Lisa. He won EVERYTHING, then lost to Newman's makeup win. Yes. And they gave Newman the honorary award just the year before. |
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Dec 15, 2019 22:43:17 GMT
you know, I've been thinking a lot about this and I don't think it even counts as a snub. Think about it, the term snub presumes that someone else got in who was either really left-field/surprising or really undeserved, and that is 100% not the case with the 2013 Best Actor lineup. Not by a long shot. Every other nominee was in a massively successful BP nominee (3 of them also had SAG nominations, all of them had Globe nominations, and the only one missing a BAFTA nod was McConaughey who was a frtonrunner even without it). Although Hanks also got into all those precursors, he didn't win any of them, and actually didn't win any awards that season for the performance. He was never higher than 5th place and 2013 was an insanely crowded year for this category. Post-nomination voting, I assume he was 6th over Redford and Phoenix and everyone else but can you argue with any of the five that got in? Were any of them surprises? If the movie had come out in 2015 and he didn't get in, THAT would have been a snub. But the 2013 awards season was absolutely dominated by actor-led films, seven of which had horses in the race (to to mention outside-looking-in passion picks Redford and Isaac). Someone was going to get left out, and if if it was going to be someone, why not the guy that hadn't won anything for that perf yet? I wasn't following the awards race super closely at that time, but with the benefit of hindsight it seems super clear to me that Hanks must've always been shaky and never higher than 5th place. Clearly Dern just overtook him in the end, with a lot of apparent love for Nebraska (nominees for BP, directing, screenplay where it was a frontrunner, and Squibb's performance). Same deal with Bale. A ton of above the line mentions in addition to love in the tech field. McConaughey proved that he didn't need to have a BP frontrunner to come out on top, but the BP and screenplay nods certainly didn't hurt. And the Academy went hard for Wolf of Wall Street (just coming off its success w/ the Globes and BAFTAs). And Ejiofor was in a BP frontrunner and had just won the BAFTA. Someone was going to get left out, and it wouldn't have been any of those five (except for maaaaybe Dern, but even then...Dern's inclusion was hardly surprising or at least it shouldn't have been). If Redford had got in for a film that really wasn't in the race, then you could call it a snub. But with these five in the race, not happening. So... the short answer is no!  You can argue from a qualitative standpoint all day. In my opinion he definitely deserved to be in that five, but that's a different conversation isn't it. Hanks just had the misfortune of his film releasing in a year with the most competitive Best Actor race of the decade. |
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Post by stephen on Dec 15, 2019 22:46:27 GMT
I wasn't following the awards race super closely at that time, but with the benefit of hindsight it seems super clear to me that Hanks must've always been shaky and never higher than 5th place. Clearly Dern just overtook him in the end, with a lot of apparent love for Nebraska (nominees for BP, directing, screenplay where it was a frontrunner, and Squibb's performance). Same deal with Bale. A ton of above the line mentions in addition to love in the tech field. McConaughey proved that he didn't need to have a BP frontrunner to come out on top, but the BP and screenplay nods certainly didn't hurt. And the Academy went hard for Wolf of Wall Street (just coming off its success w/ the Globes and BAFTAs). And Ejiofor was in a BP frontrunner and had just won the BAFTA. Someone was going to get left out, and it wouldn't have been any of those five (except for maaaaybe Dern, but even then...Dern's inclusion was hardly surprising or at least it shouldn't have been). If Redford had got in for a film that really wasn't in the race, then you could call it a snub. But with these five in the race, not happening. Dern was always in the race. Bale's the one who took Hanks's spot due to a well-timed push for American Hustle. |
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Post by Good God on Dec 15, 2019 22:56:56 GMT
you know, I've been thinking a lot about this and I don't think it even counts as a snub. Think about it, the term snub presumes that someone else got in who was either really left-field/surprising or really undeserved, and that is 100% not the case with the 2013 Best Actor lineup. Not by a long shot. Every other nominee was in a massively successful BP nominee (3 of them also had SAG nominations, all of them had Globe nominations, and the only one missing a BAFTA nod was McConaughey who was a frtonrunner even without it). Although Hanks also got into all those precursors, he didn't win any of them, and actually didn't win any awards that season for the performance. He was never higher than 5th place and 2013 was an insanely crowded year for this category. Post-nomination voting, I assume he was 6th over Redford and Phoenix and everyone else but can you argue with any of the five that got in? Were any of them surprises? If the movie had come out in 2015 and he didn't get in, THAT would have been a snub. But the 2013 awards season was absolutely dominated by actor-led films, seven of which had horses in the race (to to mention outside-looking-in passion pick Redford). Someone was going to get left out, and if if it was going to be someone, why not the guy that hadn't won anything for that perf yet? I wasn't following the awards race super closely at that time, but with the benefit of hindsight it seems super clear to me that Hanks must've always been shaky and never higher than 5th place. Clearly Dern just overtook him in the end, with a lot of apparent love for Nebraska (nominees for BP, directing, screenplay where it was a frontrunner, and Squibb's performance). Same deal with Bale. A ton of above the line mentions in addition to love in the tech field. McConaughey proved that he didn't need to have a BP frontrunner to come out on top, but the BP and screenplay nods certainly didn't hurt. And the Academy went hard for Wolf of Wall Street (just coming off its success w/ the Globes and BAFTAs). And Ejiofor was in a BP frontrunner and had just won the BAFTA. Someone was going to get left out, and it wouldn't have been any of those five (except for maaaaybe Dern, but even then...Dern's inclusion was hardly surprising or at least it shouldn't have been). If Redford had got in for a film that really wasn't in the race, then you could call it a snub. But with these five in the race, not happening. So... the short answer is no! For it to have been a snub, one of the noms would have be left-field or surprising and none of them were. You can argue from a qualitative standpoint all day. In my opinion he definitely deserved to be in that five, but that's a different conversation isn't it. Hanks was just unlucky. I think even in 2014 he could have scored a nod, but it's silly to base the narrative that the Academy undervalues Hanks on the back of him being excluded in what was the most crowded Best Actor race of the decade. No siree. Not necessarily disagreeing with anything you said and, in hindsight, a lot of what you said rings true, but as someone who followed that race very closely, it always seemed like: 1. Ejiofor and McConaughey were locks 2. Hanks and Dern were both very safe, with maybe Hanks being safer because he's Hanks 3. The 5th spot a streetfight between DiCaprio, Bale, and Redford (in that order of likelihood), with Isaac as a potential spoiler In fact, for most of the early awards season, Redford was seen as a lock and the frontrunner until people realized All Is Lost was relatively weak and Redford started missing precursors. I may have missed the one or two times it happened, but I literally did not see one poster even wondering whether Hanks was vulnerable (and anybody who says that they knew Hanks would be snubbed because he was playing another good guy is a liar, so don't believe them). Some were questioning Dern (perhaps me included) because he wasn't a major actor or star, but that's it. The doubt against DiCaprio was that he was coming off a couple of snubs and was in a really raunchy movie that certain Academy members were reportedly very offended by (with reports that Academy members were yelling at Scorsese after screenings). The doubt against Bale was that he simply wouldn't inspire enough passion. And the doubt against Redford was obviously that All Is Lost was weak and Redford only made the Globes. A very vocal minority was insistent that Isaac could make it in, but it was a pretty small group. At the time, Hanks missing was a shock. In the 10 years or so that I've followed the Oscars, that was definitely the snub that most surprised me. |
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Post by michael128 on Dec 15, 2019 23:02:36 GMT
Beyoncé for ‘Listen’.
It still baffles, haunts, and saddens me to this day whenever I think about it. I’ve finally been able to start to block it out at least a little recently, but it’s still a daily struggle.
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Post by iheartamyadams on Dec 15, 2019 23:07:16 GMT
I don’t think it’s even close. With the exception of the frontrunner and eventual winner, all of the other nominees were in BP and BD nominated films, and you could even make an argument for Dallas Buyers Club being stronger than Captain Phillips. Hanks was also playing an everyman of sorts against much bigger performances and more showy work. His snub isn’t something that I predicted, but it makes sense given the way the rest of the films performed at the Oscars. That was just an exceptionally strong year for the category and something had to give.
Amy Adams In Arrival is far more perplexing. Genre bias, sure, but I still can’t think of a time where a sci fi film performed that well and any performance gained that much traction, only to fall short to two performances with such little critic or industry support. Arrival basically got in everywhere else it was in play.
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Dec 15, 2019 23:36:18 GMT
Giamatti gets my vote
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Dec 15, 2019 23:39:33 GMT
At the time, Hanks missing was a shock. In the 10 years or so that I've followed the Oscars, that was definitely the snub that most surprised me. yeah, that much I relate to. I was surprised too at the time, but looking back I know that that initial shock was coming from a place of "oh shit Hanks isn't here" and not "oh shit, X, Y, or Z are here instead." I don't know, I think Hanks missing for that performance under any circumstance would have felt like a snub, but looking back and seeing how every other nominee was either safe at that point (McConaughey) and/or in popular BP contenders with minimums of 5 nominees each, his exclusion makes a lot of sense to me. I don't know that being 6th place in a hugely competitive year feels much like a snub in hindsight. It felt like a snub at the time, but not so much looking back. Not to me. I'm positive he would have been nominated in 2015 or 2016. |
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