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Post by Joaquim on Apr 6, 2023 21:08:34 GMT
Yea they’ll probably give the Oscar to Lady Gaga instead and make all the Margot Robbie stans have a collective meltdown
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Post by speeders on Apr 7, 2023 17:54:03 GMT
I have to admit... these pics of Gaga as Harley Quinn are actually getting me somewhat excited for this.
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Post by JangoB on Oct 4, 2023 1:14:31 GMT
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Oct 4, 2023 1:17:14 GMT
Someone’s seen The Umbrellas of Cherbourg
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Post by JangoB on Oct 4, 2023 1:19:10 GMT
Someone’s seen The Umbrellas of Cherbourg Do you think we'll see Wakeen singin' in the rain? The sound of music will probably be great in the theatre!
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Oct 4, 2023 2:34:58 GMT
Someone’s seen The Umbrellas of Cherbourg Do you think we'll see Wakeen singin' in the rain? The sound of music will probably be great in the theatre! I honestly would prefer some homages more than just blatantly copying a directors style the entire movie like the first one.
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Post by Martin Stett on Oct 4, 2023 4:34:12 GMT
Do you think we'll see Wakeen singin' in the rain? The sound of music will probably be great in the theatre! I honestly would prefer some homages more than just blatantly copying a directors style the entire movie like the first one. I don't get this criticism, as (a.) Phillips did it better than Scorsese, and (b.) I think his style is really much more his own than Scorsese's anyway. *Hides from the incoming hail of fruit and occasional grenade*
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Oct 4, 2023 5:17:08 GMT
Phillips ripped off Paul Schrader more than he did Marty.
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Oct 4, 2023 8:37:41 GMT
I honestly would prefer some homages more than just blatantly copying a directors style the entire movie like the first one. I don't get this criticism, as (a.) Phillips did it better than Scorsese, and (b.) I think his style is really much more his own than Scorsese's anyway. *Hides from the incoming hail of fruit and occasional grenade* A. You think Joker is better than Taxi Driver/ King of Comedy? B. It is the only movie he’s made of this style. You think that is his own style now?
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Post by Lord_Buscemi on Oct 4, 2023 9:46:29 GMT
I don't get this criticism, as (a.) Phillips did it better than Scorsese, and (b.) I think his style is really much more his own than Scorsese's anyway. *Hides from the incoming hail of fruit and occasional grenade* A. You think Joker is better than Taxi Driver/ King of Comedy? B. It is the only movie he’s made of this style. You think that is his own style now? I don't know what you're on about. The scene in The Hangover Part 2 where a distraught Stu realises he got fucked by a Thai ladyboy is very similar thematically in socio-political subtext to the moment where Arthur murdered the four wall street guys on the subway and started a revolution.
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Post by Martin Stett on Oct 4, 2023 12:24:19 GMT
I don't get this criticism, as (a.) Phillips did it better than Scorsese, and (b.) I think his style is really much more his own than Scorsese's anyway. *Hides from the incoming hail of fruit and occasional grenade* A. You think Joker is better than Taxi Driver/ King of Comedy? B. It is the only movie he’s made of this style. You think that is his own style now? A. Yes B. I haven't seen his other movies, but I don't really see much visual or thematic influence of Scorsese here. Phillips is more blunt in his writing than Schrader as well.
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 4, 2023 12:48:07 GMT
A. You think Joker is better than Taxi Driver/ King of Comedy? B. It is the only movie he’s made of this style. You think that is his own style now? A. Yes B. I haven't seen his other movies, but I don't really see much visual or thematic influence of Scorsese here. Phillips is more blunt in his writing than Schrader as well. I dont get the criticism of your post tbh - a lot of people dislike Taxi Driver on this board (wrongly, imo) and they get to skate by on their opinion, your opinion is your own.........it's not like Joker ripped off a current Scorsese film either - films as old as TD and KoC are fair game..........Phillips can get as much slack with appropriating past work as PTA ffs (even though I love PTA, I just mean in principle) I mean I see the themtic influence of Scorsese all over Joker but the most relevant movie to Joker is Phillips own "Hated: GG Allin and the Murder Junkies".....it's much more relevant to what he was going for thematically than making a (too) easy Hangover joke .........ripping off Scorsese - just means he has good taste to me......... His vision for the film is Scorsese.......... in an origin story ..........with the sociopathic template of GG Allin..........he doesn't have to do it better than TD and KoC because there's a lot else going on too............there's an interesting discussion to be had about all of THAT - but alas...... Side note: The "musical" quality of the new film also ties into GG Alin and this idea of "sick (GG Allin certainly was), cultural reflecting "Performance Art" ........... Ymmv though......
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Oct 4, 2023 14:33:08 GMT
A. You think Joker is better than Taxi Driver/ King of Comedy? B. It is the only movie he’s made of this style. You think that is his own style now? A. Yes B. I haven't seen his other movies, but I don't really see much visual or thematic influence of Scorsese here. Phillips is more blunt in his writing than Schrader as well. It’s fine that you think that way but I find it weird that you wouldn’t understand that criticism. You must know that you are in the minority on A?
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Post by stephen on Oct 4, 2023 14:44:14 GMT
A. Yes B. I haven't seen his other movies, but I don't really see much visual or thematic influence of Scorsese here. Phillips is more blunt in his writing than Schrader as well. It’s fine that you think that way but I find it weird that you wouldn’t understand that criticism. You must know that you are in the minority on A? He's not alone, though.
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Oct 4, 2023 15:30:11 GMT
It’s fine that you think that way but I find it weird that you wouldn’t understand that criticism. You must know that you are in the minority on A? He's not alone, though. I didn’t say alone but it’s not exactly the majority I don’t think so it seems strange to me to be confused people think otherwise.
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Post by Martin Stett on Oct 4, 2023 18:03:19 GMT
I didn’t say alone but it’s not exactly the majority I don’t think so it seems strange to me to be confused people think otherwise. I know that I'm in the minority, but I don't really see *that much* influence, to the point that he's "copying" Scorsese. Influenced by him, sure. But Arthur's family situation and personal economic and health issues alone are enough for me to see that a different tack is being attempted here - add on top of that a different visual style and the way it comes off as a psychodrama, and I think Phillips is using Scorsese as a launching point for his own ideas.
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Post by stephen on Oct 4, 2023 18:12:31 GMT
I didn’t say alone but it’s not exactly the majority I don’t think so it seems strange to me to be confused people think otherwise. I know that I'm in the minority, but I don't really see *that much* influence, to the point that he's "copying" Scorsese. Influenced by him, sure. But Arthur's family situation and personal economic and health issues alone are enough for me to see that a different tack is being attempted here - add on top of that a different visual style and the way it comes off as a psychodrama, and I think Phillips is using Scorsese as a launching point for his own ideas. I think it's easy enough to pigeonhole Joker as a Scorsese knockoff because any movie about a disillusioned loner with mental issues who devolves into vigilantism is going to garner obvious comparisons to Taxi Driver, and the usage of De Niro as a popular talk show host is extremely on-the-nose for the King of Comedy comparisons. I do think there is some visual evocation of Scorsese, but that can't be helped. I do think there is some originality in how Phillips plays in that sandbox on a visual note, though, and there are times where I think he even outdoes Scorsese at his own game (namely the portrayal of the city itself, which feels so skincrawlingly scuzzy that I have to consider the production design an all-timer as far as contemporary art direction goes). I do think Phillips does wind up taking the easy route, though, and I think if he had enough faith in his audience, a few wise cuts here and there would've made for a much stronger, more confident product.
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 4, 2023 18:34:14 GMT
I didn’t say alone but it’s not exactly the majority I don’t think so it seems strange to me to be confused people think otherwise. I know that I'm in the minority, but I don't really see *that much* influence, to the point that he's "copying" Scorsese. Influenced by him, sure. But Arthur's family situation and personal economic and health issues alone are enough for me to see that a different tack is being attempted here - add on top of that a different visual style and the way it comes off as a psychodrama, and I think Phillips is using Scorsese as a launching point for his own ideas.Very much so - someone said earlier that he hadn't done a film "like this (or in this style)" prior but the comic book template removes it a bit from Scorsese anyway...........so does the fact that he is a villain without a hero to portray too............and Phillips had done this thematically with the GG Allin doumentary .........GG Allin inspired his Joker logic - a lot..........and so did "outsider Art" in general - and other music inspired a lot of it too like folk outsider Jackson C. Frank's song My Name Is Carnival and the great silent film The Man Who Laughs which is all over Phoenix's performance.....................people just recognize the Scorsese elements because they are more obvious but they miss a whole lot of what was on Phillips mind.........the more you know about his pop culture cross-connections on comic books the more interesting the movie is...........there's a lot of there, there
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Oct 4, 2023 20:05:35 GMT
Hot take (maybe)…I don’t really care if a director “copies” or steals from other directors that influence them. I expect them to and criticism against it is meaningless.
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Post by coldzim on Dec 26, 2023 2:44:42 GMT
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Post by JangoB on Feb 14, 2024 23:18:36 GMT
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Post by countjohn on Feb 15, 2024 3:59:00 GMT
Wow, that first pic looks like they're surrounded by the black void of society, where maybe Phoenix's Joker realizes he lives along with everyone else. Maybe he'll even verbally state that he and everyone else live in a society. Just spitballing plot details here.
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Post by JangoB on Apr 2, 2024 18:38:41 GMT
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Post by bigmilko on Apr 2, 2024 18:47:39 GMT
Folie-JOK-a-E-deux-R Just a terrible title logo I hate it
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Post by quetee on Apr 2, 2024 19:50:05 GMT
Is GaGa the frontrunner at this point?
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