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Post by theycallmemrfish on May 5, 2019 16:09:49 GMT
Cool cool.
Back to the topic at hand, what was everyone's favorite cameo? (spoiler box needed)
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on May 5, 2019 17:00:42 GMT
Cool cool. Back to the topic at hand, what was everyone's favorite cameo? (spoiler box needed) So many great ones (Redford, Swinton, Portman, etc... But my favorite was probably Rumlow and Sitwell just because I really loved the elevator scene with them.
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Post by stabcaesar on May 5, 2019 17:06:39 GMT
So many great ones (Redford, Swinton, Portman, etc... But my favorite was probably Rumlow and Sitwell just because I really loved the elevator scene with them. Portman didn't have a cameo. They used an unused footage from one of the Thor movies.
The best was easily Tilda Swinton.
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Post by urbanpatrician on May 5, 2019 19:06:12 GMT
LOL....I actually get Film Socialism. Still, don't be an Old Hollywood fanboy, some you guys. Don't take movies so seriously.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on May 5, 2019 20:49:43 GMT
So many great ones (Redford, Swinton, Portman, etc... But my favorite was probably Rumlow and Sitwell just because I really loved the elevator scene with them. Portman didn't have a cameo. They used an unused footage from one of the Thor movies.
The best was easily Tilda Swinton.
Yes, but she still recorded some voiceover so I’ll count it.
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Post by countjohn on May 6, 2019 2:39:31 GMT
Wasn't planning on even seeing this because I just didn't care but my brother was nagging me to go with him so I gave in and went with no expectations. It was a massive improvement over Infinity War. Mainly because Infinity War was such a stinking turd, but it was still half decent. Maybe a 6/10 The big improvement is that there's an actual story this time and the characters have extended non-violent interactions with each other that somewhat resemble real life human behavior. There wasn't really that much action for the first hour or so, which was refreshing for a Marvel movie and really an action movie in general these days. I'm not even that invested in these characters but even I found some of the big character moments touching, namely- Ending it with Captain America and Peggy dancing was just perfect. Iron Man talking to Pepper as he died was also sad Now, for the reasons the rating isn't higher 1. It's just way too fucking long. You could easily cut at least an hour. 2. It does that thing every Marvel movie does in the last act and just descends into a neverending giant battle scene. Maybe I'm getting old and square but those scenes with a bunch of faceless henchman getting hacked down just do nothing for me. It's impossible to be invested. 3. Hot take here, but Thanos was a terrible villain. The motivation is the most important thing about a villain and his is just nonsense. He wants to kill half of everything because he likes balance. How the hell does that make any sense? Wouldn't he just have to kill half of everything everything again afterward because it's only balanced relative to a past state? The villain doing bad things just because he's crazy is lazy writing, but these movies didn't even seem to acknowledge him as being completely nuts and treated him like he was a normal, high functioning person. So many great ones (Redford, Swinton, Portman, etc... But my favorite was probably Rumlow and Sitwell just because I really loved the elevator scene with them. Portman didn't have a cameo. They used an unused footage from one of the Thor movies.
The best was easily Tilda Swinton.
I'm a flaming NP fanboy so I got excited for a second and was hoping she'd have a real scene.
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Post by stabcaesar on May 6, 2019 2:52:07 GMT
3. Hot take here, but Thanos was a terrible villain. The motivation is the most important thing about a villain and his is just nonsense. He wants to kill half of everything because he likes balance. How the hell does that make any sense? Wouldn't he just have to kill half of everything everything again afterward because it's only balanced relative to a past state? The villain doing bad things just because he's crazy is lazy writing, but these movies didn't even seem to acknowledge him as being completely nuts and treated him like he was a normal, high functioning person. Agreed. He was just an old brat. Nothing more.
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Post by Joaquim on May 6, 2019 5:22:30 GMT
Well damn, that was underwhelming.
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Post by The-Havok on May 6, 2019 13:34:14 GMT
This was mediocre with some shiny bits of interesting.
Like, Paul Rudd being reunited with his daughter and our heroes having panic attacks.
The emotional send-off took a fuck ton of time though. Infinity War was so much better in my book
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Post by The-Havok on May 6, 2019 13:36:41 GMT
i believe this as it's true. criticism exists to shift opinions in some fashion You're not criticising though, you're just shouting "I"M SO EDGY AND HATE ANYTHING DISNEY BECAUSE THEY'RE EVVVVVIIIIILLLLLL" into the wind. Trivalizing legitimate hatred for a company like that speaks volumes about how fucking implanted they are in your mind. Defending it that way is similar to a slave defending its oppressor.
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Post by Sharbs on May 6, 2019 14:38:59 GMT
You're not criticising though, you're just shouting "I"M SO EDGY AND HATE ANYTHING DISNEY BECAUSE THEY'RE EVVVVVIIIIILLLLLL" into the wind. Trivalizing legitimate hatred for a company like that speaks volumes about how fucking implanted they are in your mind. Defending it that way is similar to a slave defending its oppressor. baaahhhhhh
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Post by Zeb31 on May 6, 2019 15:02:41 GMT
Trivalizing legitimate hatred for a company like that speaks volumes about how fucking implanted they are in your mind. Defending it that way is similar to a slave defending its oppressor. baaahhhhhh Don't mock him. If anyone has the authority to speak about that subject, it's the Mexican Trump supporter.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on May 6, 2019 15:16:00 GMT
Oooooookayyyyyy.
Never would I have thought that a response like THAT would end up in a Marvel thread...
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Post by mhynson27 on May 6, 2019 16:53:42 GMT
You're not criticising though, you're just shouting "I"M SO EDGY AND HATE ANYTHING DISNEY BECAUSE THEY'RE EVVVVVIIIIILLLLLL" into the wind. Trivalizing legitimate hatred for a company like that speaks volumes about how fucking implanted they are in your mind. Defending it that way is similar to a slave defending its oppressor. And now you've just trivialised slavery.
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Post by Film Socialism on May 6, 2019 23:47:39 GMT
late stage consumerist capitalism is extremely akin to slavery. the way disney treats their workers is slavery.
the responses to stuff like this is really telling - i understand some people consume more ethically than me and i admire them for their ability to do so, but if they want to criticize my consumption, i feel like the proper response is to maybe be like "hmm yeah i do need to be better and stop making excuses" or "i wish i could do that but can't because _____" or something, not "lmao why do u care so much dude." as if it's pathetic to care about consumption
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Post by theycallmemrfish on May 7, 2019 0:11:57 GMT
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Post by mhynson27 on May 7, 2019 0:31:30 GMT
late stage consumerist capitalism is extremely akin to slavery. the way disney treats their workers is slavery. the responses to stuff like this is really telling - i understand some people consume more ethically than me and i admire them for their ability to do so, but if they want to criticize my consumption, i feel like the proper response is to maybe be like "hmm yeah i do need to be better and stop making excuses" or "i wish i could do that but can't because _____" or something, not "lmao why do u care so much dude." as if it's pathetic to care about consumption Actually yeah, you do have a point. Being chained up, whipped and forced to do whatever your 'master' tells you just because of the colour of your skin is very much like wanting to consume products from a big company. Fuck off to an Amish community or something you pompous asshole.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on May 7, 2019 0:57:27 GMT
late stage consumerist capitalism is extremely akin to slavery. the way disney treats their workers is slavery.
the responses to stuff like this is really telling - i understand some people consume more ethically than me and i admire them for their ability to do so, but if they want to criticize my consumption, i feel like the proper response is to maybe be like "hmm yeah i do need to be better and stop making excuses" or "i wish i could do that but can't because _____" or something, not "lmao why do u care so much dude." as if it's pathetic to care about consumption Treating your employees shitty is no way comparable to slavery.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2019 1:22:11 GMT
commies smh
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Post by Film Socialism on May 7, 2019 1:34:51 GMT
late stage consumerist capitalism is extremely akin to slavery. the way disney treats their workers is slavery. the responses to stuff like this is really telling - i understand some people consume more ethically than me and i admire them for their ability to do so, but if they want to criticize my consumption, i feel like the proper response is to maybe be like "hmm yeah i do need to be better and stop making excuses" or "i wish i could do that but can't because _____" or something, not "lmao why do u care so much dude." as if it's pathetic to care about consumption Actually yeah, you do have a point. Being chained up, whipped and forced to do whatever your 'master' tells you just because of the colour of your skin is very much like wanting to consume products from a big company. Fuck off to an Amish community or something you pompous asshole. i was more referring to the treatment of their workers (which i clarified in the very next sentence, btw), which is really not too far away from that. they did a pretty good job recently because one of the largest strikes on US soil was against disney like 2 years ago (of 38000 people) and they pretty much kept the entire thing quiet. capitalism is extremely fucked up though, and consumerism is something that feeds into that. it's impossible to consume ethically, but it still pays to be conscious of the power that your dollars have (which is why going anprim gang isn't necessarily needed but, like, more power to people who engage with that lifestyle).
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Post by Film Socialism on May 7, 2019 1:37:06 GMT
late stage consumerist capitalism is extremely akin to slavery. the way disney treats their workers is slavery.
the responses to stuff like this is really telling - i understand some people consume more ethically than me and i admire them for their ability to do so, but if they want to criticize my consumption, i feel like the proper response is to maybe be like "hmm yeah i do need to be better and stop making excuses" or "i wish i could do that but can't because _____" or something, not "lmao why do u care so much dude." as if it's pathetic to care about consumption Treating your employees shitty is no way comparable to slavery. using the definitions that i've become familiar with, wage slavery is absolutely a phenomenon and they are large perpetrators of that. this notion that "x isn't y because it wasn't as bad as z" is generally poor logic; they're doing better than sex slaves or southern slaves from hundreds of years ago, but that's an extremely low bar.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on May 7, 2019 1:44:22 GMT
Treating your employees shitty is no way comparable to slavery. using the definitions that i've become familiar with, wage slavery is absolutely a phenomenon and they are large perpetrators of that. this notion that "x isn't y because it wasn't as bad as z" is generally poor logic; they're doing better than sex slaves or southern slaves from hundreds of years ago, but that's an extremely low bar. I think there has to be a better term still. I don’t agree with giving employees a shitty wage and don’t want to come off as defending it. But those employees are free to quit and pursue other employment (I understand there is often not alternative jobs available but if they find one they can take it). Whereas a slave of any sort is stripped of any freedom from what they are being forced to do.
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Post by Film Socialism on May 7, 2019 1:53:28 GMT
using the definitions that i've become familiar with, wage slavery is absolutely a phenomenon and they are large perpetrators of that. this notion that "x isn't y because it wasn't as bad as z" is generally poor logic; they're doing better than sex slaves or southern slaves from hundreds of years ago, but that's an extremely low bar. I think there has to be a better term still. I don’t agree with giving employees a shitty wage and don’t want to come off as defending it. But those employees are free to quit and pursue other employment (I understand there is often not alternative jobs available but if they find one they can take it). Whereas a slave of any sort is stripped of any freedom from what they are being forced to do. to that end, in my entire time of being in leftist circles, i've yet to see anyone say something other than make general comparisons to the two forms of slavery (what we traditionally think of; your sex slaves, blacks in pre civil war south, etc.) and the lower class who have little to no economic mobility (like 90% of disney's employees). these people often have to work multiple jobs to make ends when there is no functional reason why they have to do anything like that; additionally, i think everyone in those scenarios has definitely thought about quitting and finding another job and many of them surely do, but this rarely solves the "issue" which is that they are economically stagnant. and yes, this happens in a myriad of other industries as well, but nobody really justifies the shit that frito lay or lockheed martin or w/e do - they simply see it as a reality of our world (poor people need to eat cheap food, and ordinary people have no control over wars). ordinary people can change how entertainment and wage policies operate though, maybe that's why there is more of a defensive mode that people engage with to justify their entertainment consumption habits.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on May 7, 2019 2:03:50 GMT
using the definitions that i've become familiar with, wage slavery is absolutely a phenomenon and they are large perpetrators of that. this notion that "x isn't y because it wasn't as bad as z" is generally poor logic; they're doing better than sex slaves or southern slaves from hundreds of years ago, but that's an extremely low bar. I think there has to be a better term still. I don’t agree with giving employees a shitty wage and don’t want to come off as defending it. But those employees are free to quit and pursue other employment (I understand there is often not alternative jobs available but if they find one they can take it). Whereas a slave of any sort is stripped of any freedom from what they are being forced to do. Calling it "wage slavery" is meant to draw attention to the exploitation of labor and the reason why it's such an issue is not because only a few companies are doing it, but because it is endemic of virtually all conglomerates, of which Disney is one of the very biggest, and the more companies that do it, the harder it is to find job alternatives (particularly when you consider the barrier of entry for higher jobs, i.e. experience in dogshit ones, expense college degrees, etc.). Is the term trivializing slavery? Sure, if your definition of trivializing is lacking an honest 1:1 comparison, but then wouldn't pretty much all metaphor be trivializing? The point in this case isn't to minimize the harm of slavery, of course not, it's to emphasize the harm of exploiting workers. Raising one issue does not necessarily mean trampling on another. Now that we got the economics out of the way, this thread devolved into a shit show. There are definite reasons to criticize Disney but whether that should impede your willingness to watch or enjoy Endgame is totally up to you; there's no real need to be antagonistic on either side of the aisle, especially when the issue generally boils down to "I don't like film," "don't come to this thread if you don't like it," etc. These threads are not meant to be monolithic, all opinions are welcome, just don't act like dicks.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on May 7, 2019 2:12:11 GMT
Okay, because we need to wheel this back to the main topic, I’ll just copy and paste some thoughts from another thread.
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