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Post by theycallmemrfish on Apr 28, 2019 3:12:30 GMT
I’m booked to see it again Monday (my dad loves Hulk, so he begged me to see it). Really hope the magic gets recaptured. I feel like some of us ought to have a big round table on this movie. My huge MCU fan friend said the first time he watched it, all he remembered was the good stuff... then he took his kids and said all he remembered was the bad stuff. Don't get me wrong, he still is pretty high on it, but says he noticed a lot more of the dragging parts this go-around. Keep in mind, this was all via group chat so he didn't elaborate too much, but just giving us his post-game recaps each time.
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Post by clunkybob2 on Apr 28, 2019 8:41:50 GMT
Feeling a light 5/10 on this one
I'll watch it again, probably not at the cinema though. Infinity war was better
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Post by Pavan on Apr 28, 2019 14:09:46 GMT
I’m booked to see it again Monday (my dad loves Hulk, so he begged me to see it). Really hope the magic gets recaptured. I feel like some of us ought to have a big round table on this movie. My huge MCU fan friend said the first time he watched it, all he remembered was the good stuff... then he took his kids and said all he remembered was the bad stuff. Don't get me wrong, he still is pretty high on it, but says he noticed a lot more of the dragging parts this go-around. Keep in mind, this was all via group chat so he didn't elaborate too much, but just giving us his post-game recaps each time. I saw it for the 2nd time and really felt the bad pacing of first hour of the movie. Next two hours though, pretty good.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Apr 28, 2019 15:06:08 GMT
My huge MCU fan friend said the first time he watched it, all he remembered was the good stuff... then he took his kids and said all he remembered was the bad stuff. Don't get me wrong, he still is pretty high on it, but says he noticed a lot more of the dragging parts this go-around. Keep in mind, this was all via group chat so he didn't elaborate too much, but just giving us his post-game recaps each time. I saw it for the 2nd time and really felt the bad pacing of first hour of the movie. Next two hours though, pretty good. Again, I was just getting the minimalist of updates. I just wanted to share them so I felt like part of the team since it will be a while until I see it for myself.
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Post by Billy_Costigan on Apr 28, 2019 16:59:47 GMT
Absolute blast. I'm willing to forgive any flaws because it was a perfect send off that was 11 yrs in the making. It has the highest highs of any Marvel film with some of the best scenes in the entire franchise. I'm happy for its success because I don't know if we'll ever see anything like this again. Feige earned it.
This was the best audience reaction I've ever seen. I can't wait to see it again.
350M opening weekend 😱😱😱
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Post by DeepArcher on Apr 28, 2019 18:59:05 GMT
I don't remember what film it was for, but I once wrote a review on Letterboxd that literally wouldn't publish because it was too long. I bring this up because I'm currently shocked that the same thing did not happen for the review of Endgame that I just published.
Anyway, as true to the film Avengers: Endgame, my review of it is an overlong, bloated, often repetitive mess that is almost exclusively a discussion of the MCU as a whole and is more than anything just a reflection on the twenty-one films preceding it. It's both a personal reflection on a franchise that I grew up with and then grew out of, as well as a poor attempt at a critical evaluation of it. I'm posting it here for anyone curious on my (totally spoiler-free) thoughts on the film. If you don't give a shit about my thoughts at all, I'm putting the whole thing under spoiler tags so that you can easily scroll right past it. If you only want my thoughts on Endgame, then just click the second spoiler tag.
Again, I'll reiterate: my review is totally spoiler free, the spoiler tags are for convenience only.
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Post by morton on Apr 28, 2019 21:28:14 GMT
I don't remember what film it was for, but I once wrote a review on Letterboxd that literally wouldn't publish because it was too long. I bring this up because I'm currently shocked that the same thing did not happen for the review of Endgame that I just published. Anyway, as true to the film Avengers: Endgame, my review of it is an overlong, bloated, often repetitive mess that is almost exclusively a discussion of the MCU as a whole and is more than anything just a reflection on the twenty-one films preceding it. It's both a personal reflection on a franchise that I grew up with and then grew out of, as well as a poor attempt at a critical evaluation of it. I'm posting it here for anyone curious on my (totally spoiler-free) thoughts on the film. If you don't give a shit about my thoughts at all, I'm putting the whole thing under spoiler tags so that you can easily scroll right past it. If you only want my thoughts on Endgame, then just click the second spoiler tag. Again, I'll reiterate: my review is totally spoiler free, the spoiler tags are for convenience only. Great review!!! You captured my thoughts perfectly on it. I do think that it's very impressive how they built up to Endgame and a feat that will never be achieved again, but I don't think I'll ever love it 3000 either. Although I can see why many do.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Apr 29, 2019 1:11:30 GMT
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Apr 29, 2019 5:24:19 GMT
A few thoughts: 1. For a franchise that feels a lot like a '90s sitcom with movies instead of episodes, this was the big love letter finale I expected. Full of fan-service and reliant entirely on you already being emotionally invested in these characters. I was there for a good bit of it, though I can't say by the end that it blew my hair back or made me feel like a kid again but rather I just thought, "oh, this is a better one of these." So yeah, good entertainment and a half step above Infinity War but I wouldn't feel a big hole in my geekdom if I didn't watch it again. 2. It was supposed to be half of ALL life, right? Like, including plants? Because that would be way more catastrophic than this film indicates. This is a dumb nitpick but it was something that I thought about when they jumped 5 years later and life was pretty much normal but everyone's sad and trash collection isn't so efficient. It's indicative of how these films feel like they operate within the bubble of their own larger-than-life characters than in anything resembling reality. More caught up in the concerns of an elite superhuman class than the devastation of average people.
3. Guess Scarlett Johansson is done with being heavily involved in any future Marvel movies aside from her solo one, which I always presumed had to be a prequel. A shame since she made more sense being in the final battle than Hawkeye, who had a perfect character ending wasted by not dying. She was also doing a really terrific job in this movie and I would have loved to have seen her in that big girl power shot.
4. I was hyped for Professor Hulk and it was a mixed bag. On the one hand, he was fun little comic relief. On the other, he looked so ridiculously out of place and for a guy who's supposed to be one of the handful of smartest people in this universe, that comic relief extends a bit far to making him out to be a joke. Just a personal disappointment since Hulk is my favorite hero and the character is so ripe for dramatic intrigue and depth but he's just a goofy green man now. Oh well, at least he got to do a snap.
5. The time travel logic actually makes sense humorously enough, at least more than Back to the Future or Looper ever did and I still had no problem loving the former.
6. Anybody else kinda wanna see a whole movie of Hawkeye going on a ruthless killing spree in Tokyo? Probably the best directed action scene in this universe since The Winter Soldier.
7. 2nd act was good fun. Enjoyed being back in the first Avengers again, especially since that's my favorite version of Hulk on screen to date. Tony talking to his dad was great, Thor talking to his mom actually got me emotional (Hemsworth has really found a 2nd life in this character).
8. Robert Downey Jr. continued to display that he's still one of the more talented actors of his generation and he killed it here. One of my problems with Tony Stark as a character is he felt so redundant in this movies, being too popular to leave out but not having enough to do for there to be a meaningful arc or change to his character. Really, he's mainly been the same guy since the end of the first Iron Man with the only addition being some resentment in Civil War. But here, the character got the third act he deserved and I was here for it, especially given all the callbacks to that first Iron Man which I maintain is up there with Black Panther for best of the MCU.
9. Really, the whole cast was quite good, with the exception of Brie Larson. I don't think that's really her fault since she had nothing to do and I presume nothing to go on in terms of direction given how little she was in there, but her expressionless wide-eyed stare and stilted delivery did unfortunately stand out. I also just don't know how I'm feeling about that character. There comes a point where someone is so far on another plane in terms of abilities and character priorities that it's a struggle to even care at that point. At least Superman has problems with his double life and is powerless to a rock that is supposed to be rare but is strangely owned by everyone who hates him.
10. The big battle was amazing on a practical level just in terms of all the people that were there, but it was kinda disappointing how all over the place it felt from a direction standpoint. And we're coming up on The Lord of the Rings films being 2 decades old so there's no excuse for giant battles not having that extra oomph to them.
11. One giant credit I will give this film is it is very well paced, much more so than Infinity War. Nothing really felt superfluous or like it could have been chopped down to get a move on, except I suppose the ending but then again I'm also the guy who thinks The Return of the King's endings are justified due to the number of characters and story threads so none of that bothered me here.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Apr 29, 2019 8:28:04 GMT
I meant to say, but forgot until now, that the support group scene was a bag of shit. There are two reasons for this, firstly it was just a crappy waste of time and served to do nothing other than add to an already ridiculous runtime, and secondly, I'm not buying this pathetic attempt to shoehorn a gay character into your four films at the last minute. Particularly not when it's a weak, insignificant and forgettable moment like this. This kind of cheap pandering is beyond irritating.
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Post by stephen on Apr 29, 2019 18:44:11 GMT
Okay. So Endgame.
I think overall it was well-made and the emotional setpieces really did feel earned for the most part, but the stakes still felt really low. Perhaps because it is the immediate follow-up to a movie where 50% of all life has been extinguished, but the second you introduce time travel as an option in your movies, I immediately stop caring because it shows that actions don't have irrevocable consequences. It's the Harry Potter Time Turner scenario all over again. And when you have a Time Stone that can do constant loops/reloops, as well as opportunities to steal Hank Pym's magic time crystals or whatever they were, the idea that "we only got one shot at this" means almost nothing.
It's kind of interesting that I saw it the same weekend as the "Battle of Winterfell" episode of Game of Thrones, because they mostly feel like they fill the same kind of niche, but at least this was well-lit. Endgame does a lot of things right, but it's hard to give much of a damn when so many characters have plot armor that it makes me think that the only reason people die in the franchise is because their actors are tired and want to move on to different things.
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Post by JangoB on Apr 29, 2019 19:41:57 GMT
I'ma put all my thoughts under spoilers so that I'm able to speak freely about this picture: "Infinity War" still remains the peak of the whole MCU affair for me but "Endgame" was a rousing, thoroughly engaging piece of mass entertainment. I think one can easily say that the film's got three definite acts and for me the middle one was the least interesting narrative-wise even if the entertainment value of it is certainly very high. "Infinity War" was the first MCU film to truly surprise me with its story decisions and its ending left me wondering in excitement about how all this was gonna be resolved. Time-travelling seemed like a fun but not particularly original option and the whole "Back to the Future 2" style jumping through some previous MCU films was very good fun but not particularly compelling to me. I'm just overall not THAT big a fan of these types of story choices when characters go back to stuff we've already seen - I'd have loved for this film to be comprised of entirely new narrative beats. But at the same time I understand that this mini-journey through the franchise's history was a pretty solid tribute to the whole thing that so many people all over the world have become invested in. And again, even if I prefer the first "Back to the Future", I think the second one's very enjoyable too! And I felt the same with this movie. Even if I would've liked a more original turn of events, I still very much enjoyed the fun of going back to some previous entries and having this heist-like raid through them. Cap fighting himself is exactly the kind of silly fun comic book shit that I want from these movies.
Actually, that sense of humor is one of the strongest aspects of the movie - after the finale of "Infinity War", I expected a more self-serious kind of movie but in fact the flick is often legitimately hilarious. I didn't expect to laugh as much as I did with this. And this levity was very much welcome, especially since it didn't hinder the emotional heft of the movie one bit. I think many of the MCU movies were nothing special individually but overall the Kevin Feige universe is a definite success story because it's all been leading up to this two-parter and despite having problems with individual films, I found myself caring and really enjoying these characters by the time this conclusion arrived. And so here the emotional payoffs worked for me. I certainly expected Stark to kick the bucket but the inevitability of it still didn't prevent me from being moved by it and from experiencing this loss right with the other characters. He's always been among my favorites of the franchise and I thought it was a pretty great sendoff.
Plenty of 'FUCK YEAH' moments, plenty of laughs, fun throughout and with a good emotional pull - it was an excellent example of a proper summer blockbuster. I dunno how the MCU project is gonna continue now that the main big baddie is gone but I'm looking forward to whatever's coming. Pretty interesting to see what's gonna happen now that they're free from Thanos as the main narrative uniter.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Apr 30, 2019 0:55:26 GMT
How'd Cap give the Soul Stone back to Vormir? And how much of an ass whooping did he give Red Skull while he was there?
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Post by Pavan on Apr 30, 2019 10:04:27 GMT
How'd Cap give the Soul Stone back to Vormir? And how much of an ass whooping did he give Red Skull while he was there? It goes like this... one has to return the stones exactly the moment you got them. So Cap must've put it there right after Clint received it. As for how he did? I want to see that too. In fact i want to see movie or a mini-series of Cap returning the stones, getting old with Peggy and returning back to the present. Plenty? because he has the Mjolnir with him.
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Post by Pavan on Apr 30, 2019 14:42:14 GMT
Okay. So Endgame. I think overall it was well-made and the emotional setpieces really did feel earned for the most part, but the stakes still felt really low. Perhaps because it is the immediate follow-up to a movie where 50% of all life has been extinguished, but the second you introduce time travel as an option in your movies, I immediately stop caring because it shows that actions don't have irrevocable consequences. It's the Harry Potter Time Turner scenario all over again. And when you have a Time Stone that can do constant loops/reloops, as well as opportunities to steal Hank Pym's magic time crystals or whatever they were, the idea that "we only got one shot at this" means almost nothing. It's kind of interesting that I saw it the same weekend as the "Battle of Winterfell" episode of Game of Thrones, because they mostly feel like they fill the same kind of niche, but at least this was well-lit. Endgame does a lot of things right, but it's hard to give much of a damn when so many characters have plot armor that it makes me think that the only reason people die in the franchise is because their actors are tired and want to move on to different things. I guess you're talking about the Prisoner of Azkaban time turner scenario? that's the best kind of time travel. No alternate timelines just a single one. What we saw in Endgame is different from Prisoner of Azkaban. I wish Russos should've gone with that but i don't know it would fit well to Marvel.
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Post by stephen on Apr 30, 2019 14:47:56 GMT
Okay. So Endgame. I think overall it was well-made and the emotional setpieces really did feel earned for the most part, but the stakes still felt really low. Perhaps because it is the immediate follow-up to a movie where 50% of all life has been extinguished, but the second you introduce time travel as an option in your movies, I immediately stop caring because it shows that actions don't have irrevocable consequences. It's the Harry Potter Time Turner scenario all over again. And when you have a Time Stone that can do constant loops/reloops, as well as opportunities to steal Hank Pym's magic time crystals or whatever they were, the idea that "we only got one shot at this" means almost nothing. It's kind of interesting that I saw it the same weekend as the "Battle of Winterfell" episode of Game of Thrones, because they mostly feel like they fill the same kind of niche, but at least this was well-lit. Endgame does a lot of things right, but it's hard to give much of a damn when so many characters have plot armor that it makes me think that the only reason people die in the franchise is because their actors are tired and want to move on to different things. I guess you're talking about the Prisoner of Azkaban time turner scenario? that's the best kind of time travel. No alternate timelines just a single one. What we saw in Endgame is different from Prisoner of Azkaban. I wish Russos should've gone with that but i don't know it would fit well to Marvel. The thing is, the second you introduce Time Turners into your story, you stop and wonder, "So wait, it's okay to use those for a third-year student to take a few extra classes but it's not okay to go back in time and stop Wizard Hitler from rising to power?"
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Post by Pavan on Apr 30, 2019 15:58:11 GMT
I guess you're talking about the Prisoner of Azkaban time turner scenario? that's the best kind of time travel. No alternate timelines just a single one. What we saw in Endgame is different from Prisoner of Azkaban. I wish Russos should've gone with that but i don't know it would fit well to Marvel. The thing is, the second you introduce Time Turners into your story, you stop and wonder, "So wait, it's okay to use those for a third-year student to take a few extra classes but it's not okay to go back in time and stop Wizard Hitler from rising to power?" But there's a limitation to time turners though. They can only be safely used to go back a few hours but meddling beyond that would result in ghastly consequences. Albus Potter in Cursed Child did that and he altered so much. That said I too am not a fan of using time travel as plot device to resolve conflict.
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Post by stephen on Apr 30, 2019 16:20:48 GMT
The thing is, the second you introduce Time Turners into your story, you stop and wonder, "So wait, it's okay to use those for a third-year student to take a few extra classes but it's not okay to go back in time and stop Wizard Hitler from rising to power?" But there's a limitation to time turners though. They can only be safely used to go back a few hours but meddling beyond that would result in ghastly consequences. Albus Potter in Cursed Child did that and he altered so much. That said I too am not a fan of using time travel as plot device to resolve conflict. But they didn't just invent Time Turners in 1993, did they? If you notice Voldemort begin to rise to power and he takes out major figures, use the Time Turner and stop him an hour or so after the fact, etc., etc. The Ministry had a huge supply of them, after all.
I just feel like you open yourself up to so many issues once you introduce the possibility of time travel in your story, as it becomes a cheat that lessens the stakes, and if you try to remove it with such malarkey as "oh, all the Time Turners got destroyed" or "Tilda Swinton refuses to give up the stone," it seems like a copout designed artificially to make the stakes elevate, and that artifice is much more notable.
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Post by TerryMontana on Apr 30, 2019 18:40:54 GMT
Seeing this in a couple of hours...
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Post by Pavan on Apr 30, 2019 20:37:02 GMT
But there's a limitation to time turners though. They can only be safely used to go back a few hours but meddling beyond that would result in ghastly consequences. Albus Potter in Cursed Child did that and he altered so much. That said I too am not a fan of using time travel as plot device to resolve conflict. But they didn't just invent Time Turners in 1993, did they? If you notice Voldemort begin to rise to power and he takes out major figures, use the Time Turner and stop him an hour or so after the fact, etc., etc. The Ministry had a huge supply of them, after all.
I just feel like you open yourself up to so many issues once you introduce the possibility of time travel in your story, as it becomes a cheat that lessens the stakes, and if you try to remove it with such malarkey as "oh, all the Time Turners got destroyed" or "Tilda Swinton refuses to give up the stone," it seems like a copout designed artificially to make the stakes elevate, and that artifice is much more notable.
I guess this.. i copied this on a random site on the net since it makes sense. I guess it's the predestination paradox.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Apr 30, 2019 21:18:24 GMT
Yeah, I've seen that Harry Potter time travel before and it makes no sense.
A --> AB --> ABC
So if blah blah were to time travel to do X, then...
A -X-> AXB --> AXBC ... but then that would mean that it was never actually A>AB>ABC in the first place. This means that going back means fuck-all because if the past has already been impacted by the future events...
I can't even continue with this logic. Fucking Time Cop makes more sense.
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Post by Film Socialism on May 1, 2019 3:24:18 GMT
no shitting on Time Cop when there's a perfectly reasonable movie in the thread title to shit on instead
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on May 1, 2019 6:37:31 GMT
no shitting on Time Cop when there's a perfectly reasonable movie in the thread title to shit on instead Why bother visiting a thread for a movie that's part of a franchise you openly have contempt for? I tend to ignore threads for films I'm not interested in and it works out pretty well for me in terms of time management.
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Post by Miles Morales on May 1, 2019 6:47:59 GMT
no shitting on Time Cop when there's a perfectly reasonable movie in the thread title to shit on instead Why bother visiting a thread for a movie that's part of a franchise you openly have contempt for? I tend to ignore threads for films I'm not interested in and it works out pretty well for me in terms of time management. Yup. Crazy how the most vehement MCU haters are the ones who obsessively follow it.
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Post by Film Socialism on May 1, 2019 12:08:24 GMT
no shitting on Time Cop when there's a perfectly reasonable movie in the thread title to shit on instead Why bother visiting a thread for a movie that's part of a franchise you openly have contempt for? I tend to ignore threads for films I'm not interested in and it works out pretty well for me in terms of time management. because i enjoy shitting on the franchise? i hope someday i can stop people from giving their money to disney?
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