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Post by dazed on Feb 19, 2019 2:55:09 GMT
Just make sure to not jump to conclusions next time, even if this turns out to not be staged. sure thing. I'll wait on the sidelines until it goes through our flawed legal system and not have any thoughts or opinions about it until then Feel free to have an opinion all you want. Just don’t say “there’s no possible way that it can’t be something other than this” when all of the facts aren’t even out yet.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 19, 2019 11:54:52 GMT
In movie terms for example as far as I know, Thomas Crown Affair (1967) is the first American movie that showed the "bad guy" winning - ie, the criminal. In the era that followed, that cynicism fueled by other films (Rosemary's Baby etc) the worsening war in Vietnam and Watergate became the norm - ie Serpico was once a shocking tale that became the film equivalent of tired cliche - the corrrupt cops, oh, of course - that's what the audience believed and what film showed - it represented a certain truth that couldn't be seen in film prior.
Smollett is now the perfect representation of that cliche, the facts represent some version of a "deeper" truth (do they?) - ie his story is false but these horrible things happen all the time and get that President out of The White House etc., the details change, the reporting is slightly off, when is the truth not the truth etc.
The way we live now is people either hold one view of America as racist, homophobic, sexist, abusive or see that as not representative of the whole and those cases as aberrations - that's a key. How do you see the country in which you live?
As Einstein said “There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.”.........this quote is more true than ever and I think about it all the time - and the way you see the world has for many of us never been so sadly disparate as exhibited by this grotesque case.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Feb 21, 2019 2:39:51 GMT
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Post by quetee on Feb 21, 2019 3:02:16 GMT
Total disgrace. I don't understand why he would do that. Is he that much of an attention whore.
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 21, 2019 3:57:21 GMT
Total disgrace. I don't understand why he would do that. Is he that much of an attention whore. He probably felt his career had peaked. He had a good life, but maybe he had dreams of being a real A-lister (in music and acting), and he wasn't really close. Being the 4th lead on a TV show that lost water cooler relevance after it's 1st season a couple of years ago probably was not enough for him. I don't think it was about attention seeking for the sake of it. And I hope people don't turn it into a "cry for help" thing and claim he has mental issues. It was a cynical, calculated ploy to try and take his profile and career to the next level through sympathetic media coverage of a tragic event surrounding him. Look what the Manchester bomb attacks have done for Ariana Grande's career. She's arguably the biggest pop star in the world now. Every song she puts out breaks some kind of record. Before the Manchester attacks, she was successful, but far more niche. Most people outside of the demographic that watched her Disney shows couldn't name a single song of hers. Now she's mainstream iconic. That is what Smollet wanted. Nearly worked too...big-time celebrities and media figures who probably couldn't name him before were hashtagging #JusticeForJussie I feel bad for his sister Jurnee. Her star was on the rise (She's playing Black Canary opposite Margot Robbie in the Birds Of Prey movie). Now she's got a disgraced brother who everyone in the industry will be laughing about (sometimes to her face, but mostly behind her back or when she leaves the room). That's going to be tough to deal with.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 21, 2019 4:54:45 GMT
I really think that people are too easy on him still or the talk around him is off-center - his behavior was treasonous in a way. Ok, maybe that's stretching it but it approximates that far more than attempts to analyze him psychologically. His whole interview which revealed him as a bad actor (oh the profanity!) and especially his "I come hard at 45" stuff is kind of disgusting. He very consciously didn't care about positioning white against black, straight against gay, minorities against cops - how much of their time did you monopolize pal? - which is all bad enough but politically - and nowadays everything is political - he didn't give a sh it about positioning Americans against Americans regardless of political ideology. Again it borders on a treasonous worldview - see my post from yesterday on deciding what kind of world you live in and the Einstein quote. I think it's an act of attention seeking and a cry for help and yeah too bad for his sister ad whomever but it's mostly to me on some level a political act too - and a sick and cynical one. There is a post earlier on this thread that said this "Trump's campaign has normalized this." and it had a whole bunch of likes .......well there's plenty of stuff to dislike about President Trump, but when we say sh it like that, remember WE'RE normalizing Jussie Smollett's anti-American schtick too. Maybe when we refuse - and plenty do - to even say President Trump and say "45" or "the man in the White House" we're not seeing our own pathology.
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Feb 21, 2019 6:32:29 GMT
I really think that people are too easy on him still or the talk around him is off-center - his behavior was treasonous in a way. Ok, maybe that's stretching it but it approximates that far more than attempts to analyze him psychologically. His whole interview which revealed him as a bad actor (oh the profanity!) and especially his "I come hard at 45" stuff is kind of disgusting. He very consciously didn't care about positioning white against black, straight against gay, minorities against cops - how much of their time did you monopolize pal? - which is all bad enough but politically - and nowadays everything is political - he didn't give a sh it about positioning Americans against Americans regardless of political ideology. Again it borders on a treasonous worldview - see my post from yesterday on deciding what kind of world you live in and the Einstein quote. I think it's an act of attention seeking and a cry for help and yeah too bad for his sister ad whomever but it's mostly to me on some level a political act too - and a sick and cynical one. There is a post earlier on this thread that said this "Trump's campaign has normalized this." and it had a whole bunch of likes .......well there's plenty of stuff to dislike about President Trump, but when we say sh it like that, remember WE'RE normalizing Jussie Smollett's anti-American schtick too. Maybe when we refuse - and plenty do - to even say President Trump and say "45" or "the man in the White House" we're not seeing our own pathology. Nope, you had me and you lost me on this one. I will ALWAYS refuse to call OrangeTwat "President", and it's beyond BULLSHIT to claim that is treasonous or pathological in any way shape or form. An objectively evil, bigoted piece of shit is POTUS, and that should NEVER be normalized or accepted by decent folk. NO ONE rails against SJW's here more than me, that goes without saying, but for Trump I DEFINITELY agree with drawing a line in the sand. And refusing to call him President is merely the beginning of said line. I agree people shouldn't go easy on Smollett, but if he was treasonous to anyone, it was his own LGBT community, not some crooked scumbag who is treasonous himself and has done NOTHING to deserve respect from decent and conscious human beings. Oh, and even though this was clearly a bullshit story, Trump and his followers HAVE normalized that kind of hate crime. Sorry, but that is a FACT.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Feb 21, 2019 7:27:55 GMT
There is a post earlier on this thread that said this "Trump's campaign has normalized this." and it had a whole bunch of likes .......well there's plenty of stuff to dislike about President Trump, but when we say sh it like that, remember WE'RE normalizing Jussie Smollett's anti-American schtick too. This whole situation is disgraceful and Smollett's flagrant violation of the public's trust and the CPD's time and taxpayer dollars is shameful and he should be held accountable, but the two least useful words in political discourse to me are "anti-american." No one suffers more from this betrayal than the LGBTQ+ community but Smollett's lies aren't going to turn anyone into homophobic scumbags. The only thing that will happen is that Trump and his GOP sycophant followers will use this situation to justify their existing prejudices and continue to invalidate the perspectives and experiences of gay and black Americans like they always have and likely always will until their sorry old asses are in the grave. Yeah Smollett absolutely deserves to be held accountable for this shitshow but nothing has changed about the abhorrent state of America's sociopolitical climate and this administration's blatant disregard for minorities and the impoverished or its racism.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Feb 21, 2019 8:57:09 GMT
Well, this thread definitely didn't age well. 😵😵😵It's absolutely vile. He should be deeply ashamed of himself. Not to mention that he's doing a grave disservice to real victims of hate crimes. And the attention whore award of the year goes to... 🙄🙄🙄
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Feb 21, 2019 9:29:58 GMT
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Post by Zeb31 on Feb 21, 2019 11:59:46 GMT
There is a post earlier on this thread that said this "Trump's campaign has normalized this." and it had a whole bunch of likes ....... Spike Lee did NOT write that highly acclaimed, Oscar, BAFTA and WGA-nominated ending for you to just question the validity of that statement like that.
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Post by The-Havok on Feb 21, 2019 12:59:11 GMT
There is a post earlier on this thread that said this "Trump's campaign has normalized this." and it had a whole bunch of likes ....... Spike Lee did NOT write that highly acclaimed, Oscar, BAFTA and WGA-nominated ending for you to just question the validity of that statement like that. That's just absurd, to validate entertainment as truth or as a reflection of such. Do you also think Harry Potter is a great allegory for Nazi Germany?
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Post by Zeb31 on Feb 21, 2019 13:08:58 GMT
Spike Lee did NOT write that highly acclaimed, Oscar, BAFTA and WGA-nominated ending for you to just question the validity of that statement like that. That's just absurd, to validate entertainment as truth or as a reflection of such. Do you also think Harry Potter is a great allegory for Nazi Germany? Cheers, you have successfully missed the point.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Feb 21, 2019 18:37:14 GMT
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 21, 2019 18:45:28 GMT
Personally, I hope he's prisoner number 45 and somebody goes hard on him. Sorry, bad joke
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Post by marvelass on Feb 21, 2019 18:56:28 GMT
I bet they have egg on their faces.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Feb 21, 2019 22:03:20 GMT
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Feb 21, 2019 22:17:12 GMT
I'm not sure this is the best way to get more money from a show that went from #5 to #52 in two seasons...
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Feb 22, 2019 0:36:05 GMT
Boo fucking hoo you’re upset with $65,000 an episode doing 18 episodes a year.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Feb 22, 2019 0:57:00 GMT
Well I had my fun playing internet detective on this one, but now two things 1- I hope to hell that when Smollett apologizes to the black and LGBTQ communities that they don't accept him with open arms and 2- thanks a lot, prick... now every one on the right is having a god damned field day with this shit AND you made pretty much everyone on the left look like an idiot for commenting on something way too soon.
Also, PS: it didn't take long for FOX to take back their support, though they are being very coy about what they plan to do.
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Post by filmnoir on Feb 22, 2019 2:34:09 GMT
It's unbelievable that this fool is still maintaining his innocence. He deserves to be FIRED from Empire.
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Post by quetee on Feb 22, 2019 2:53:30 GMT
It's unbelievable that this fool is still maintaining his innocence. He deserves to be FIRED from Empire. tell me about it.
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Post by CookiesNCream on Feb 23, 2019 23:52:12 GMT
Well, go figure. His reckless little stunt certainly did a disservice to the real victims out there of that similar scenario.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Feb 26, 2019 15:42:35 GMT
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Post by agent69 on Feb 27, 2019 12:16:49 GMT
I wonder if next time using "alleged" in describing a crime will lead to social outrage. The case is interesting because it so clearly embodies the current climate in US which seems to be dominated by batshit extremes on both sides. We truly live in a era of fake news and social outrage. Any yet, despite Trump, despite Jussie, and every scary/bad thing out there we have never lived in a more peaceful, prosperous and safe times.
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