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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 23, 2018 13:48:41 GMT
I decided to make this just a thread instead of a poll because we're always poll crazy but also I think because the list is sort of undefined right?
There are people who consider the latest Von Trier movie a black comedy and others will be gouging their eyes out because it isn't overtly funny or a "comedy"...........some of the movies people would list would tilt the playing field a bit by being so absurd to me as to be more of a funny satire but maybe not to you or maybe you don't even distinguish between those two things anyway (Election, To Die For).
So what are some of the ones that you specifically think fit this genre and do you see black comedy and distinct from satire? It's an interesting genre right - sort of undefined and not that many where this territory actually works through a whole entire film.
I'll get the ball rolling with a couple of faves Buffet Froid (1979) and Man Bites Dog (1992). Many Coen brothers films of course.....etc.
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Post by stephen on Dec 23, 2018 15:29:19 GMT
In Bruges.
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Post by jimmalone on Dec 23, 2018 15:34:16 GMT
Arsenic and Old Lace is still close to the top of this list.
During the last years I enjoyed In Bruges and Four Lions very much. Others that jump to my mind right now are Delicatessen and No Man's Land.
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Post by Atrocity-Querelle on Dec 23, 2018 16:13:26 GMT
Ghost World Freddy Got Fingered Harold and Maude Withnail and I Nashville Welcome to the Dollhouse Happiness Kiss Kiss Bang Bang Female Trouble The Woman in the Septic Tank
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Post by themoviesinner on Dec 23, 2018 16:16:26 GMT
My favorite comedy, The Phantom Of Liberty, can definitely be considered black, although it does have many satirical elements in it, and is probably one of the most poignant social satires ever created. Underground is another film which definitely fits the label of black comedy. It has many funny moments, but the concept itself is quite dark and pessimistic.
Yeah, Man Bites Dog is another great example and it also works as a cynical satire of the media as well. Other favorite black comedies of mine include Happy End (1967), a film about jealousy and murder, which unfolds in a completely absurd and outrageous way and Ebola Syndrome (1996), which is complete bonkers from start to finish.
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Post by Atrocity-Querelle on Dec 23, 2018 16:19:32 GMT
My favorite comedy, The Phantom Of Liberty, can definitely be considered black, although it does have many satirical elements in it, and is probably one of the most poignant social satires ever created. Underground is another film which definitely fits the label of black comedy. It has many funny moments, but the concept itself is quite dark and pessimistic. Yeah, Man Bites Dog is another great example and it also works as a cynical satire of the media as well. Other favorite black comedies of mine include Happy End (1967), a film about jealousy and murder, which unfolds in a completely absurd and outrageous way and Ebola Syndrome (1996), which is complete bonkers from start to finish. Geez, how the hell did I forget Underground for mine? That's one of the most unique filmgoing experiences I've ever had, from one of my very favorite directors. Kinda shocked someone on here actually mentioned it, TBH, but major kudos to you. This also reminds me I still need to borrow my friend's copy of the Kino edition so I can see the 5 hour TV cut, which I've heard mixed things about but whatever.
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Post by jakesully on Dec 23, 2018 16:57:31 GMT
probably Happiness . Phillip Seymour Hoffman & Dylan Baker both deserved some sort of awards fo their performances in that fucked up film. 9/10
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2018 17:50:13 GMT
^ Happiness is a great choice.
Also Pink Flamingos, The Death of Stalin, Man Bites Dog, Naked, and Barton Fink.
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Post by Mattsby on Dec 23, 2018 18:42:50 GMT
After Hours
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Post by Kings_Requiem on Dec 23, 2018 18:52:01 GMT
Death to Smoochy
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Post by cherry68 on Dec 23, 2018 18:54:12 GMT
Does Chicago count? I second Arsenic and old lace.
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Post by Martin Stett on Dec 23, 2018 19:01:50 GMT
I haven't seen a lot of the movies mentioned, but I love my comedies black. Three of my top 20 movies are comedies about corpse disposal, so... yeah. I'm not sure what that says about me. Taking some entries from my most recent top 100 list:
Arsenic and Old Lace -- More dark in the subjects it is covering than in execution, but wildly hilarious all the same.
The Trouble with Harry -- Deadpan comedy about death, and one of the most outrageously hilarious things I've ever seen. "He's... asleep. He's in a deep sleep. A deep, wonderful sleep."
Shallow Grave -- *Car door slams on Ewan McGregor's broken shins*
Mystery Train -- "You shot me! You're not even my brother-in-law and you fucking shot me!"
The Apartment -- This one fits the bill for me. It's a comedy of despair and loneliness, and although the characters treat it with a laugh, they do so because the alternative hurts too much.
Paranoia Agent (actually a TV show, but very auteur driven) -- There's an episode of this show that is a slapstick comedy. A slapstick comedy about an incompetent suicide pact. I'm not entirely sure that this is the most screwed up episode, either. The whole thing walks the line between horror and "you did not just go there" comedy so expertly, and is perhaps the most fitting title to fit in here.
The Death of Stalin -- "The room is only 75% conscious!"
The Hospital -- The American healthcare system targeted for satire. You'll never trust anyone that claims to know what they're doing with your health or your money again.
What Ever Happened to Baby Jane? -- I may be the only one that laughed my whole way through this movie, I don't know. I do know that only a sick bastard ever would.
Wild Tales -- Watching the guy from the fifth segment lose his shit and give up on bribing people made me laugh harder than most movies could ever dream. And that was far from the funniest moment in the film.
Three Colors: White -- "How about a Russian import?"
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Post by cherry68 on Dec 23, 2018 19:21:12 GMT
Oh right, The trouble with Harry! And Waking Ned Death at a funeral.
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Post by Mattsby on Dec 24, 2018 0:37:15 GMT
Here’s a rarely seen, interesting one -
Little Malcolm and His Struggle Against the Eunuchs (1974)
Produced (and completely financed) by George Harrison and the first movie involved with Apple Corps where none of the Beatles were featured—it got tangled up in legal issues after favorable word in its Berlinale premiere. Shot by John Alcott (A Clockwork Orange, Barry Lyndon, The Shining).
Based on a play about a bunch of expelled art students in drab, desolate northern England whose languor and unsheathed egos merge into inflamed bouts of increasingly sinister fantasy-play and despotic monologue. It’s very provocative material, but there’s such a comic spring to the heightened theatre of it and the hilarious dialogue. I’d recommend it - especially to John Hurt fans. It’s also a probably influence on Withnail & I and Naked (Mike Leigh actually directed the first stage production).
Here’s a clip (a lighter scene early in the movie), I quote this constantly in real life -
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Dec 24, 2018 1:17:27 GMT
pretty much anything by John Waters. Ugly, Dirty, and Bad also come to mind. As hilarious as it it deeply unpleasant and tragic. Funny Games too. I'd also mention Death of Stalin, which marries Ianucci's typical comic style with by far the most bleak subject matter he's ever tackled, and the balance works. And then there's The Squid and the Whale and Todd Solondz's acidic Happiness.
and Harold and Maude Brazil After Hours Freeway Killer Joe
and yeah, a few Coen films. Fargo and A Serious Man are the first to come to mind but there's plenty of dark, sardonic humor in most of their films.
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Post by DeepArcher on Dec 24, 2018 1:21:59 GMT
Synecdoche, New York is easily my favorite example of this.
The Coens as filmmakers are probably the best at this overall, Barton Fink (their best) and A Serious Man being the prime examples. Kubrick was also damn good at this, but I'd say his is a case where most of his films have darkly comical scenes rather than any one film being labeled in a blanketed way as a "black comedy" ... with Dr. Strangelove being an exception, of course (though that might fall more into "satire" than black comedy, I'm not sure). PTA is also pretty damn good at this, and I think a lot of people undersell just how funny his dramatic films are.
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Post by Martin Stett on Dec 24, 2018 2:38:03 GMT
Here’s a rarely seen, interesting one - Little Malcolm and His Struggle Against the Eunuchs (1974) Here’s a clip (a lighter scene early in the movie), I quote this constantly in real life - First off, that title is a gem. Second, so is that clip. Your recommendations intrigue me and I wish to learn more.
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Post by Mattsby on Dec 24, 2018 3:23:08 GMT
Martin Stett It's available just a little pricey on DVD that the BFI put out in 2011. I thought that'd bring it more attention but I don't think it did - and neither did John Hurt's passing. Mike Leigh wrote a little essay in the BFI package - he praised the film's "sympathetic, sardonic take on fascist paranoia." Stuart Cooper the director reflects on the film too, and his bit on the premiere (and pacinoyes you'll like this) - I'm looking up shots from the movie now and this one's caption writes itself. Shabby Road -
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Post by stephen on Dec 24, 2018 3:25:33 GMT
There Will Be Blood is both a horror film and a stunningly hilarious movie.
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Post by Film Socialism on Dec 24, 2018 3:28:11 GMT
Devils on the Doorstep
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Post by cherry68 on Dec 25, 2018 17:59:18 GMT
What we did on our holiday.
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Post by agent69 on Dec 26, 2018 11:31:10 GMT
The War of the Roses. Probably the greatest divorce/break-up movie ever.
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Dec 26, 2018 21:07:48 GMT
My first thought when I saw this title was Friday. Then I realized you meant a different kind of black.
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