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Post by wallsofjericho on Dec 16, 2018 22:05:49 GMT
Ali? Grant? Or Elliott? I think it's between Ali and Grant and I'm slightly leaning towards Ali
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Dec 16, 2018 22:15:59 GMT
Ali? Grant? Or Elliott? I think it's between Ali and Grant and I'm slightly leaning towards Ali Probably Ali. Green Book is the kind of crowd pleasing cheese they will want to reward in some way and this is their chance.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Dec 16, 2018 22:16:58 GMT
I'd say Grant is ahead at the moment but I could see Ali surging ahead at the last minute. I don't think Elliott is a threat to either of them at the moment but anything can happen. This race is one of the more interesting ones this year.
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Post by thomasjerome on Dec 16, 2018 22:21:41 GMT
Elliott. His film is just stronger and he's a beloved veteran who's way overdue. His screentime is short but effective enough.
Sure, I believe only James Coburn and Alan Arkin won in his category in last 30 years or so without GG nom but then again they were respected veterans as well.
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Post by sirjeremy on Dec 16, 2018 22:25:39 GMT
Has to be Elliott. Not that he deserves to win, but he has sentiment and the film's popularity on his side.
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Post by wilcinema on Dec 16, 2018 22:26:21 GMT
Elliott. His film is just stronger and he's a beloved veteran who's way overdue. His screentime is short but effective enough. Sure, I believe only James Coburn and Alan Arkin won in his category in last 30 years or so without GG nom but then again they were respected veterans as well. Elliott is definitely not way overdue. He may be overdue for a nomination, but not for a win.
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Post by morton on Dec 16, 2018 23:52:23 GMT
My prediction for the winner keeps changing in this category, but at the moment I think that Grant is going to end up winning.
For a short time, I had doubts about Elliott because my feeling was that if Cooper and Gaga won their categories, it was doubtful that Elliott would also win his category, but then Colman entered Best Actress, and then I thought maybe Cooper and Elliott could win if Gaga didn't. However, after his GG snub and with Cooper and Gaga still being front-runners, I don't know that there's enough time for momentum to shift his way if Cooper and/or Gaga start to lose to someone else especially because the winner of Globe is going to have more momentum by that time.
Aside from Elliott, I kept wavering between Ali and Grant. I doubted Ali right away because I wasn't so sure that he would a second so soon, but Green Book kept chugging along despite backlash and despite a poor start at the box office. However, I feel that Grant and Can You Ever Forgive Me? have come on really strong in the past week or so, despite the film not doing that well at the box office. Even win Grant loses at one of the critics' awards, they usually go with someone other than Ali, so it doesn't really hurt Grant too much. While at the same time, McCarthy and the film have been getting a lot of notices too whereas Green Book hasn't really shown up that much outside San Diego.
It's possible that Green Book ends up having a long run at the box office, or shows up at all the guilds or starts winning at the precursors before the Oscars, but I don't know that there's going to be any kind of urgency to award Ali his second Oscar for Green Book. He's won some critics' awards, but only a small fraction of what he won for Moonlight.
I know that Christoph Waltz was able to win a short time later, and Jennifer Lawrence almost did it. However, Waltz was up against all previous winners, and Django Unchained had Harvey plus did much better at the box office than Green Book. Then, with Lawrence, she was the Queen of Hollywood at that time won the Globe and BAFTA, but still couldn't beat Nyong'o who was relatively unknown at the time.
So I'm going with Grant unless the Globes and Critics' Choice go with Ali, in which case I might predict Ali again.
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Post by DeepArcher on Dec 17, 2018 1:04:31 GMT
I'm still thinking it's Ali. Grant is certainly making a strong case for himself, but I think ultimately he'll be hurt by the fact that he's not much of a name to American audiences. Once the industry awards start, I think they'll favor Ali and he'll start to gain momentum, starting with a Globe win that he should get as a make-up of sorts for snubbing him two years ago. Ultimately it just seems like the type of role that will appeal more to the industry awards, so I think he'll win at SAG too and possibly from BFCA as well. Grant has the best shot at BAFTA, though, and picking up a win there could cause his momentum to surge at just the right time. So, it should be an interesting race, but for now I'm sticking with Ali.
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Post by stephen on Dec 17, 2018 1:07:11 GMT
Grant.
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Post by mhynson27 on Dec 17, 2018 1:10:05 GMT
Definitely Ali vs Grant here and right now I'm feeling it's going to be Grant.
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Post by bob-coppola on Dec 17, 2018 2:33:45 GMT
I'm feeling it'll be Grant. Ali is a strong contender, but he's already got one BSA prize (just two years ago) and he feels like someone who could eventually win in the lead category.
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Post by avnermoriarti on Dec 17, 2018 4:20:05 GMT
Richard E. Grant
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Dec 17, 2018 4:44:07 GMT
I'm still thinking it's Ali. Grant is certainly making a strong case for himself, but I think ultimately he'll be hurt by the fact that he's not much of a name to American audiences. but neither was Ali in 2016 or Rylance in 2015.
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Post by DeepArcher on Dec 17, 2018 5:12:49 GMT
but neither was Ali in 2016 or Rylance in 2015. Yeah, but both of them were in Best Picture contenders (and one in an eventual winner). Can You Ever Forgive Me? is not quite of the same caliber, and I ultimately think the film doesn't have enough exposure or popularity to push a relatively unknown actor to an Oscar win.
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Post by speeders on Dec 17, 2018 12:31:09 GMT
Grant, followed by Ali.
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Post by Zeb31 on Dec 17, 2018 13:29:36 GMT
Going with Grant, but Ali isn't far behind given that Supporting Actor looks like the obvious category to reward what will ultimately be a really well-liked, crowdpleasing BP nominee.
Ali has the edge at the Globes because he's better known, because the HFPA might want to make up for the (egregious) Aaron Taylor-Johnson win in 2016, and because they clearly loved Green Book more than they did Can You Ever Forgive Me?. If Ali wins that one (which makes total sense and is exactly what I'm thinking will happen), he'll get a pretty big boost in momentum that could carry over to the Oscars if he's able to maintain it.
On the other hand, while I'd certainly be more confident about Grant if he somehow managed to spoil and win the Globe, even if he loses that one I think he can still make up for lost ground and surge ahead by benefitting from the recency of Ali's Oscar victory. Much like Rylance three years ago, he's likely to win the BAFTA given his nationality and the fact that the British block doesn't usually flock to award films like Green Book, and that support (plus the fact that he didn't just win this exact category two years ago) might just be enough if Searchlight play their cards right.
So I'm thinking Ali wins the Globe and Grant takes the BAFTA, which leaves SAG as a pretty big question mark. In theory, Green Book should play much better to a populist voting body than Can You Ever Forgive Me?, but the former's Ensemble snub means both films got the same nominations. That shows that the gap between them isn't so dramatic that Grant couldn't possibly win it.
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Post by stephen on Dec 17, 2018 13:54:16 GMT
but neither was Ali in 2016 or Rylance in 2015. Yeah, but both of them were in Best Picture contenders (and one in an eventual winner). Can You Ever Forgive Me? is not quite of the same caliber, and I ultimately think the film doesn't have enough exposure or popularity to push a relatively unknown actor to an Oscar win. It's a potential Adapted Screenplay frontrunner, and if McCarthy continues to gain steam, there's no reason it can't break into the Best Picture lineup with some 5% passion-voting. Those that like it really like it.
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Post by flasuss on Dec 17, 2018 14:15:10 GMT
Elliot by elimination, the GG snub doesn't hurt him that much, considering the love for the film and his own popularity, and the fact it might be the best chance to reward the film in major categories (Cooper has a chance of winning actor, but it's by no means certain, and there's no way in hell Gaga wins Best Actress for her first film role over 7 time nominee Glenn Close).
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Post by rhodoraonline on Dec 17, 2018 15:47:09 GMT
I'll go with Grant vs Elliot, both veteran, respected, loved actors for the first time in contention. Both from loved, respected films.
Ali may be good but I don't see his perf being too superior to those two's and he just won.
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Post by DeepArcher on Dec 19, 2018 23:43:26 GMT
So after seeing Can You Ever Forgive Me?, I'm actually pretty convinced that Grant is the frontrunner here now. I just wasn't totally aware of the extent/nature of Grant's role before seeing the film. Based on the trailers it just seemed like a largely comic relief role, but now I can see why he's getting buzz -- it's a phenomenal performance, and it's the type of thing that's gonna stick with people who see the movie. And it just feels like the type of thing they like rewarding in this category. Grant's role is actually kind of reminiscent of Jared Leto in Dallas Buyers Club, not just in the sense that both play LGBTQ characters who tragically die of HIV , but in that they both become sidekicks to the protagonist's criminal activities and often provide a light contrast for the film.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Dec 20, 2018 10:06:38 GMT
Elliot
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Post by AKenjiB on Jan 3, 2019 3:11:03 GMT
I'm leaning towards Sam Elliott but I honestly have no idea.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jan 4, 2019 14:48:34 GMT
Elliot
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