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Post by stephen on Dec 7, 2018 15:00:23 GMT
BEST PICTURE
The Favourite
First Reformed
Hereditary
Roma
A Star is Born
BEST DIRECTOR
Bradley Cooper, A Star is Born
Alfonso Cuaron, Roma
Yorgos Lanthimos, The Favourite
Lynne Ramsay, You Were Never Really Here
Paul Schrader, First Reformed
BEST ACTOR
Christian Bale, Vice
Bradley Cooper, A Star is Born
Ethan Hawke, First Reformed
Rami Malek, Bohemian Rhapsody
Joaquin Phoenix, You Were Never Really Here
BEST ACTRESS
Yalitza Aparicio, Roma
Toni Collette, Hereditary
Lady Gaga, A Star is Born
Regina Hall, Support the Girls
Melissa McCarthy, Can You Ever Forgive Me?
BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR
Mahershala Ali, Green Book
Timothee Chalamet, Beautiful Boy
Richard E. Grant, Can You Ever Forgive Me?
Michael B. Jordan, Black Panther
Steven Yeun, Burning
BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS
Olivia Colman, The Favourite
Elizabeth Debicki, Widows
Zoe Kazan, The Ballad of Buster Scruggs
Regina King, If Beale Street Could Talk
Rachel Weisz, The Favourite
BEST ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY
Eighth Grade by Bo Burnham
The Favourite by Deborah Davis & Tony McNamara
First Reformed by Paul Schrader
Roma by Alfonso Cuaron
Vice by Adam McKay
BEST ADAPTED SCREENPLAY
BlacKkKlansman
Can You Ever Forgive Me?
The Death of Stalin
If Beale Street Could Talk
A Star is Born
BEST FOREIGN LANGUAGE FILM
Burning
Capernaum
Cold War
Roma
Shoplifters
BEST DOCUMENTARY
Free Solo
Minding the Gap
RBG
Three Identical Strangers
Won't You Be My Neighbor?
BEST ANIMATED FEATURE
The Incredibles 2
Isle of Dogs
Ralph Breaks the Internet
Ruben Brandt: Collector
Spider-Man: Into the Spider-verse
BEST ART DIRECTION/PRODUCTION DESIGN
Annihilation
Black Panther
The Favourite
Paddington 2
Roma
BEST CINEMATOGRAPHY
Cold War - Lukasz Zal
The Favourite - Robbie Ryan
First Man - Linus Sandgren
If Beale Street Could Talk - James Laxton
Roma - Alfonso Cuaron
BEST EDITING
First Man
The Other Side of the Wind
Roma
Widows
You Were Never Really Here
BEST ORIGINAL SCORE
First Man - Justin Hurwitz
If Beale Street Could Talk - Nicholas Britell
Mandy - Johan Johannson
Suspiria - Thom Yorke
You Were Never Really Here - Jonny Greenwood
BEST USE OF VISUAL EFFECTS
Annihilation
Black Panther
First Man
Mission: Impossible - Fallout
Paddington 2
MOST PROMISING FILMMAKER
Ari Aster, Hereditary
Bo Burnham, Eighth Grade
Bradley Cooper, A Star is Born
Bing Liu, Minding the Gap
Boots Riley, Sorry to Bother You
MOST PROMISING PERFORMER
Yalitza Aparicio, Roma
Elsie Fisher, Eighth Grade
Lady Gaga, A Star is Born
Thomasin Harcourt McKenzie, Leave No Trace
John David Washington, BlacKkKlansman & Monsters and Men
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Post by wilcinema on Dec 7, 2018 15:07:48 GMT
Yalitza  Glenn  First Reformed  |
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Post by stephen on Dec 7, 2018 15:11:42 GMT
I'm mostly fine with these, but Colman in supporting is stupid. If you think they're all lead, go for it, no one's stopping you. But it feels like they wanted to make a particular statement about Colman's category placement while ignoring Chalamet and Ali's clear frauds.
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Post by wilcinema on Dec 7, 2018 15:15:28 GMT
I'm mostly fine with these, but Colman in supporting is stupid. If you think they're all lead, go for it, no one's stopping you. But it feels like they wanted to make a particular statement about Colman's category placement while ignoring Chalamet and Ali's clear frauds. I heard they said it was all about POV. But if POV is what category placements are based on, even Lady Gaga should be placed in Supporting. |
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Post by stephen on Dec 7, 2018 15:16:39 GMT
I'm mostly fine with these, but Colman in supporting is stupid. If you think they're all lead, go for it, no one's stopping you. But it feels like they wanted to make a particular statement about Colman's category placement while ignoring Chalamet and Ali's clear frauds. I heard they said it was all about POV. But if POV is what category placements are based on, even Lady Gaga should be placed in Supporting. Seriously. Still, these guys went hard for Ramsay, Joaquin, Johann and Collette, so I can't hate 'em too much. |
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 7, 2018 15:30:05 GMT
I don't know the history of the Chicago critics BP award but I'd venture to guess that if it goes back say 30-40 years that these horror lovers (yeah right) probably have ignored The Descent, It Follows, The Witch, The Babadook, A Tale OF Two Sisters etc.......that's a lot of horror classics that got no love compared to f'n Hereditary. They ever nominate a horror film before? Doubt it.
That seems totally right. Sarcasm.
Happy with the First Reformed love ....
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Post by wilcinema on Dec 7, 2018 15:33:55 GMT
I heard they said it was all about POV. But if POV is what category placements are based on, even Lady Gaga should be placed in Supporting. Seriously. Still, these guys went hard for Ramsay, Joaquin, Johann and Collette, so I can't hate 'em too much. Mandy is so tantalizing. Sadly, it doesn't even have a distributor here.
They even went with The Death of Stalin in Adapted Screenplay. I think I'll die hoping for a nomination for Simon Russell Beale, he probably gives my favourite supporting male performance of the year.
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Post by stephen on Dec 7, 2018 15:42:06 GMT
Seriously. Still, these guys went hard for Ramsay, Joaquin, Johann and Collette, so I can't hate 'em too much. Mandy is so tantalizing. Sadly, it doesn't even have a distributor here.
They even went with The Death of Stalin in Adapted Screenplay. I think I'll die hoping for a nomination for Simon Russell Beale, he probably gives my favourite supporting male performance of the year.
Have you not seen Mandy yet? Oh dude . . . it's on VOD, and well worth the price. Beale's my winner in Supporting Actor last year, so I'd obviously be delighted if they had the balls to pick him. Alas, I'll have to content myself with his BIFA win. |
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Post by wilcinema on Dec 7, 2018 16:28:24 GMT
This snub spells big trouble for Glenn Close. The only Best Actress winners who missed a nomination in Chicago are Jessica Tandy, Susan Sarandon and Sandra Bullock. Kate Winslet won in Supporting.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Dec 7, 2018 16:32:21 GMT
I'm mostly fine with these, but Colman in supporting is stupid. If you think they're all lead, go for it, no one's stopping you. But it feels like they wanted to make a particular statement about Colman's category placement while ignoring Chalamet and Ali's clear frauds. You consider Chalamet in Supporting to be fraud? I’m with you on Ali as lead but think there’s a good case for Chalamet in supporting. |
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Post by stephen on Dec 7, 2018 16:44:28 GMT
I'm mostly fine with these, but Colman in supporting is stupid. If you think they're all lead, go for it, no one's stopping you. But it feels like they wanted to make a particular statement about Colman's category placement while ignoring Chalamet and Ali's clear frauds. You consider Chalamet in Supporting to be fraud? I’m with you on Ali as lead but think there’s a good case for Chalamet in supporting. I've not seen the film, so I can't speak definitively on Chalamet, but I was under the impression that he was co-lead with Carell, and that even though the film leans more toward Carell's perspective, Chalamet's character arc is large enough to be readily defined as a lead because the film is about the two of them coping with his addiction. |
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Post by stephen on Dec 7, 2018 16:46:17 GMT
This snub spells big trouble for Glenn Close. The only Best Actress winners who missed a nomination in Chicago are Jessica Tandy, Susan Sarandon and Sandra Bullock. Kate Winslet won in Supporting. I don't put a whole lot of stock in these sorts of stats because there's no real corollary to it, but it should also be noted that Tandy had the Best Picture winner, Bullock had the respect narrative and her film grossed a shitload of money and made it into Best Picture, and Sarandon had the overdue narrative but her film also got in for Best Actor and Best Director and, if the expanded BP category existed in 1995, would've probably gotten into Picture as well. |
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Post by wilcinema on Dec 7, 2018 16:51:42 GMT
This snub spells big trouble for Glenn Close. The only Best Actress winners who missed a nomination in Chicago are Jessica Tandy, Susan Sarandon and Sandra Bullock. Kate Winslet won in Supporting. I don't put a whole lot of stock in these sorts of stats because there's no real corollary to it, but it should also be noted that Tandy had the Best Picture winner, Bullock had the respect narrative and her film grossed a shitload of money and made it into Best Picture, and Sarandon had the overdue narrative but her film also got in for Best Actor and Best Director and, if the expanded BP category existed in 1995, would've probably gotten into Picture as well. Yes, definitely. Glenn Close won't lose Best Actress because she didn't get this nod but there's no overwhelming consensus around her performance. Unless she has an ace up her sleeve at the Globes, I'm afraid the ship has already sailed. At least I hope she'll lose to Olivia and not to Gaga (who I really liked in the movie, but come on). |
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Dec 7, 2018 16:57:49 GMT
That Visual Effects category shows how this is all for show. The Black Panther visual effects were heavily criticised.
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Post by stephen on Dec 7, 2018 17:02:15 GMT
I don't put a whole lot of stock in these sorts of stats because there's no real corollary to it, but it should also be noted that Tandy had the Best Picture winner, Bullock had the respect narrative and her film grossed a shitload of money and made it into Best Picture, and Sarandon had the overdue narrative but her film also got in for Best Actor and Best Director and, if the expanded BP category existed in 1995, would've probably gotten into Picture as well. Yes, definitely. Glenn Close won't lose Best Actress because she didn't get this nod but there's no overwhelming consensus around her performance. Unless she has an ace up her sleeve at the Globes, I'm afraid the ship has already sailed. At least I hope she'll lose to Olivia and not to Gaga (who I really liked in the movie, but come on). Yeah, I'd say Gaga has almost certainly got the Drama Globe locked down, and Colman probably has BAFTA. Not a whole lot of wiggle room for Close to gain momentum with industry prizes. BFCA would help, but if the critics aren't going hard for her now, can they be expected to then? That leaves SAG. And it is incredibly hard for a lone nominee to do well without some sort of spillover love in another category, be it a win or just a nomination. In the last twenty-five years, only three performances have done this: Jessica Lange, Charlize Theron and Julianne Moore. The first won at least one major critics' prize (LAFCA) and the Globe, while the latter two swept their years. A Close victory with no real critical or industry momentum at this rate, with the amount of existing precursors today, with that level of competition, would be pretty well unheard of. I can't think of a parallel in the last several decades. I've seen people want to draw Geraldine Page comparisons to Close, but The Trip to Bountiful got a Screenplay nod as well, and again, Page won a couple of notable precursors (Boston, Spirit Award) and probably would've won SAG if it had been around then. Close needs to lock down a big win somewhere, either in taking a huge critical precursor (LAFCA or NSFC), spoiling Gaga at the Globes (which would indeed open up the door substantially) or taking SAG (because it's highly unlikely she has a shot at dethroning Colman or even Blunt at BAFTA). |
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Dec 7, 2018 17:02:16 GMT
You consider Chalamet in Supporting to be fraud? I’m with you on Ali as lead but think there’s a good case for Chalamet in supporting. I've not seen the film, so I can't speak definitively on Chalamet, but I was under the impression that he was co-lead with Carell, and that even though the film leans more toward Carell's perspective, Chalamet's character arc is large enough to be readily defined as a lead because the film is about the two of them coping with his addiction. And you’re right. Ali is also a case of fraud, but he has more reason to be in supporting than Chalamet does. |
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Post by stephen on Dec 7, 2018 17:05:58 GMT
I've not seen the film, so I can't speak definitively on Chalamet, but I was under the impression that he was co-lead with Carell, and that even though the film leans more toward Carell's perspective, Chalamet's character arc is large enough to be readily defined as a lead because the film is about the two of them coping with his addiction. And you’re right. Ali is also a case of fraud, but he has more reason to be in supporting than Chalamet does. And that's why them taking such a strong stand on Colman's placement makes me feel like they did it in order to throw some love to the likes of Aparicio and Hall, who might otherwise not have gotten in, because Best Actress is such a dense category and they probably feel they could get away with it here, whereas the male categories are comparatively lacking and they figured, "Eh, who would care?" |
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Post by filmnoir on Dec 7, 2018 17:56:13 GMT
Yes, definitely. Glenn Close won't lose Best Actress because she didn't get this nod but there's no overwhelming consensus around her performance. Unless she has an ace up her sleeve at the Globes, I'm afraid the ship has already sailed. At least I hope she'll lose to Olivia and not to Gaga (who I really liked in the movie, but come on). Yeah, I'd say Gaga has almost certainly got the Drama Globe locked down, and Colman probably has BAFTA. Not a whole lot of wiggle room for Close to gain momentum with industry prizes. BFCA would help, but if the critics aren't going hard for her now, can they be expected to then? That leaves SAG. And it is incredibly hard for a lone nominee to do well without some sort of spillover love in another category, be it a win or just a nomination. In the last twenty-five years, only three performances have done this: Jessica Lange, Charlize Theron and Julianne Moore. The first won at least one major critics' prize (LAFCA) and the Globe, while the latter two swept their years. A Close victory with no real critical or industry momentum at this rate, with the amount of existing precursors today, with that level of competition, would be pretty well unheard of. I can't think of a parallel in the last several decades. I've seen people want to draw Geraldine Page comparisons to Close, but The Trip to Bountiful got a Screenplay nod as well, and again, Page won a couple of notable precursors (Boston, Spirit Award) and probably would've won SAG if it had been around then. Close needs to lock down a big win somewhere, either in taking a huge critical precursor (LAFCA or NSFC), spoiling Gaga at the Globes (which would indeed open up the door substantially) or taking SAG (because it's highly unlikely she has a shot at dethroning Colman or even Blunt at BAFTA). SAG. Close has been only nominated 1 time for Film, since SAG was not around the other 5 times she got an Oscar nod. And she is respected among her peers. I can't see SAG giving it to a newcomer like Gaga or to Colman, who is not that well known. And it's not like anyone has been steamrolling BA - i.e., like Blanchett did.
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Post by stephen on Dec 7, 2018 18:04:06 GMT
Yeah, I'd say Gaga has almost certainly got the Drama Globe locked down, and Colman probably has BAFTA. Not a whole lot of wiggle room for Close to gain momentum with industry prizes. BFCA would help, but if the critics aren't going hard for her now, can they be expected to then? That leaves SAG. And it is incredibly hard for a lone nominee to do well without some sort of spillover love in another category, be it a win or just a nomination. In the last twenty-five years, only three performances have done this: Jessica Lange, Charlize Theron and Julianne Moore. The first won at least one major critics' prize (LAFCA) and the Globe, while the latter two swept their years. A Close victory with no real critical or industry momentum at this rate, with the amount of existing precursors today, with that level of competition, would be pretty well unheard of. I can't think of a parallel in the last several decades. I've seen people want to draw Geraldine Page comparisons to Close, but The Trip to Bountiful got a Screenplay nod as well, and again, Page won a couple of notable precursors (Boston, Spirit Award) and probably would've won SAG if it had been around then. Close needs to lock down a big win somewhere, either in taking a huge critical precursor (LAFCA or NSFC), spoiling Gaga at the Globes (which would indeed open up the door substantially) or taking SAG (because it's highly unlikely she has a shot at dethroning Colman or even Blunt at BAFTA). SAG. Close has been only nominated 1 time for Film, since SAG was not around the other 5 times she got an Oscar nod. And she is respected in the industry. I can't see SAG giving it to a newcomer like Gaga or to Colman, who is not that well known. And it's not like anyone has been steamrolling BA - i.e., like Blanchett did.
Colman isn't an unknown, though. She is a well-respected veteran actress in her own right, with several BAFTA wins across different categories as well as a Golden Globe to her name. She may not be an A-list megastar in the States, but she is a long-working actress with a great deal of respect in the industry. People who are saying that Colman is too little-known and will lose out to a veteran in a career-topping "makeup" win sound an awful lot like the ones who were saying the same thing about Mark Rylance in 2015. Colman just finally has the role that puts her square in the limelight, and people are taking notice. Doubt her at your own peril. She could easily win SAG, especially if she nabs the Globe and BFCA and if the British bloc rallies behind her over Blunt. Close has respect, that's true, but is it enough to win a prize over several other actresses who not only have raves, but also have stronger films and equally compelling narratives (Colman's above-enumerated pros, Gaga's star-making turn, McCarthy's acclaimed step into drama, Blunt garnering great buzz at the perfect time to spoil, etc.)? I don't know if it is. And even then, would a lone SAG win (assuming she gets nothing else) be enough? |
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Post by Sharbs on Dec 7, 2018 18:07:08 GMT
I'm mostly fine with these, but Colman in supporting is stupid. If you think they're all lead, go for it, no one's stopping you. But it feels like they wanted to make a particular statement about Colman's category placement while ignoring Chalamet and Ali's clear frauds. You consider Chalamet in Supporting to be fraud? I’m with you on Ali as lead but think there’s a good case for Chalamet in supporting. even when not comparing him to Ali/Colman I still throw him in Lead. He is in it for the majority of the film and actually quite a bit of the second half is entirely from his perspective. I don't even think it's borderline |
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Dec 7, 2018 18:45:25 GMT
100% BULLSHIT !  |
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Post by bruinjoe96 on Dec 7, 2018 19:19:44 GMT
Wait, they list Coleman supporting here?  |
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Dec 7, 2018 19:24:18 GMT
Michael B. Jordan rises
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Post by quetee on Dec 7, 2018 19:27:12 GMT
He's coming for that Oscar nod. |
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Post by filmnoir on Dec 7, 2018 19:35:23 GMT
SAG. Close has been only nominated 1 time for Film, since SAG was not around the other 5 times she got an Oscar nod. And she is respected in the industry. I can't see SAG giving it to a newcomer like Gaga or to Colman, who is not that well known. And it's not like anyone has been steamrolling BA - i.e., like Blanchett did.
Colman isn't an unknown, though. She is a well-respected veteran actress in her own right, with several BAFTA wins across different categories as well as a Golden Globe to her name. She may not be an A-list megastar in the States, but she is a long-working actress with a great deal of respect in the industry. People who are saying that Colman is too little-known and will lose out to a veteran in a career-topping "makeup" win sound an awful lot like the ones who were saying the same thing about Mark Rylance in 2015. Colman just finally has the role that puts her square in the limelight, and people are taking notice. Doubt her at your own peril. She could easily win SAG, especially if she nabs the Globe and BFCA and if the British bloc rallies behind her over Blunt. Close has respect, that's true, but is it enough to win a prize over several other actresses who not only have raves, but also have stronger films and equally compelling narratives (Colman's above-enumerated pros, Gaga's star-making turn, McCarthy's acclaimed step into drama, Blunt garnering great buzz at the perfect time to spoil, etc.)? I don't know if it is. And even then, would a lone SAG win (assuming she gets nothing else) be enough? More often than not, the actress who wins SAG goes on to win the Oscar. Colman is not a virtual unknown - but Close is way more well known. Stallone hardly had respect in the industry. Colman also has competition for GG and BAFTA - with Blunt. And no actress has been steam rolling the precursors. |
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