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Post by HELENA MARIA on Oct 30, 2018 19:29:43 GMT
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Post by DeepArcher on Oct 30, 2018 20:11:21 GMT
Not sure if this is necessary, but that is damn good casting.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Oct 30, 2018 20:41:42 GMT
Not sure if this is necessary, but that is damn good casting. Yup ! O'Connell deserves meatier roles for sure .
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Post by LaraQ on Oct 31, 2018 3:13:36 GMT
Love Jack O'Connell.I want this guy to be a huge star which is why I'm hoping the rumors about him being the next Batman are true.This project sounds.....ok.
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Post by jakesully on Oct 31, 2018 14:56:26 GMT
big fan of Jack O ' Connell so I am excited about this project for sure .
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Post by stephen on Oct 31, 2018 15:08:18 GMT
I don't think they could've found a more underwhelming choice for Bonnie.
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Post by wilcinema on Oct 31, 2018 16:31:25 GMT
I can't stand Chloe Grace Moretz
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Post by LaraQ on Oct 31, 2018 16:56:48 GMT
Anya Taylor Joy would've been a much better choice for Bonnie.
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Post by cherry68 on Oct 31, 2018 17:15:36 GMT
The real Bonnie and Clyde
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Post by cherry68 on Oct 31, 2018 17:46:42 GMT
I think Kristen Stewart could fit the role better.
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Post by jakesully on Oct 31, 2018 21:38:32 GMT
Love Jack O'Connell.I want this guy to be a huge star which is why I'm hoping the rumors about him being the next Batman are true.This project sounds.....ok. Yeah I read those rumors as well and it got me pumped . I know a lot of folks would hate on it cause Jack isn't close to being 6ft but we should all keep in mind Keaton is 5'9 and he played Bruce Wayne / Batman perfectly . Also , Hardy is only 5'9 and he owned the role of Bane (and looked like such an intimidating figure doing so) . I'd be all about Jack being Batman . He has the dark / brooding attitude down to a T.
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Post by marvelass on Nov 1, 2018 1:34:56 GMT
*cherry68* that's not Bonnie Parker. That's Bethany Harper who played Bonnie in the 1995 independent black-and-white film The Barrow Gang that has never been released. You can watch bits of scenes on YouTube. The following are the real Bonnie Parker:
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Post by marvelass on Nov 1, 2018 1:47:01 GMT
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Post by cherry68 on Nov 1, 2018 7:37:11 GMT
marvelassMy point still stands. Moretz doesn't look like the real Bonnie at all, who was very thin and short. Moretz is too chubby, especially facial features wise, and looks like a girl who would leave the gun to take the cannoli. I'm not a big fan of Stewart, but I think she'd be better acting wise too.
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Post by marvelass on Nov 1, 2018 14:55:46 GMT
Cherry68 I was going to argue that Bonnie was a blonde (with blue eyes) who later dyed her hair red while on the run, but I just Googled this picture and I agree that Stewart could pull it off.
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Post by skyfallen on Nov 1, 2018 22:27:39 GMT
This needs to star Jamie Bell as Clyde and Rooney Mara as Bonnie.
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Post by marvelass on Nov 2, 2018 0:02:58 GMT
How about Adam Levine as Clyde's older brother 'Buck'?
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Nov 4, 2018 22:52:11 GMT
Why do some people resent Chloe's casting ? Is it because you still see her as a "child actor" ? I think she has a lot of potential and this might definitely be a great opportunity for her to show us what she's capable of.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Nov 5, 2018 3:31:57 GMT
marvelass My point still stands. Moretz doesn't look like the real Bonnie at all, who was very thin and short. Moretz is too chubby, especially facial features wise, and looks like a girl who would leave the gun to take the cannoli. I'm not a big fan of Stewart, but I think she'd be better acting wise too. Moretz isn’t remotely chubby. She jus has a round face. Also...don’t think resembling the real life Bonnie is relevant at all in regards to casting.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Nov 5, 2018 5:09:15 GMT
It's not like the original is some untouchable masterpiece or anything. Bonnie and Clyde in Penn's film are much too thinly drawn, giving Dunaway and Beatty very little to do with their performances. It's a story that definitely could use some improving so I'm supporting of this project in principle, I just don't know if this is the right cast/crew to make it happen. For starters Moretz and O'Connell seem much too young. I doubt they'll be able to find their own stride in Beatty and Dunaway's shadow.
And Moretz isn't a good actress, so there's that too.
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Post by cherry68 on Nov 5, 2018 7:01:50 GMT
marvelass My point still stands. Moretz doesn't look like the real Bonnie at all, who was very thin and short. Moretz is too chubby, especially facial features wise, and looks like a girl who would leave the gun to take the cannoli. I'm not a big fan of Stewart, but I think she'd be better acting wise too. Moretz isn’t remotely chubby. She jus has a round face. Also...don’t think resembling the real life Bonnie is relevant at all in regards to casting. The real Bonnie was very thin and short. Her fragile appearance was relevant for the perception of her image and her criminal activity. Many people found her innocent because of that and criticized the police for killing her. If you choose an actress who looks physically strong, you'll miss that important aspect of her story.
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Post by marvelass on Nov 5, 2018 17:50:32 GMT
For starters Moretz and O'Connell seem much too young. Moretz is 21; O'Connell is 28. Bonnie and Clyde were 19 and 20, respectively, when they met (Clyde turned 21 shortly thereafter), 21 and 23 when they embarked on their crime spree, and 23 and 25 when they were killed. Clyde had a baby-face and Bonnie had a fragile quality, as cherry68 pointed out. They were often mistaken for high schoolers and could go undetected even after the infamous gangster photos were leaked, though they were constantly moving around, from state to state, just to be safe. Ted Hinton, a young Dallas deputy who had known Clyde in their youth and was a frequent customer of Bonnie's at the diner where she worked and had a crush on her, was chosen to be part of the posse that hunted them down in part because he could identify them both on sight. In short, B&C looked very young in real life though toward the end they had lost a lot of weight after two years on the run. The following mugshot was often reused in newspapers, because it best represented how youthful Clyde really looked. He was even referred to as a 'baby thug' at one point.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Nov 5, 2018 23:29:33 GMT
For starters Moretz and O'Connell seem much too young. Moretz is 21; O'Connell is 28. Bonnie and Clyde were 19 and 20, respectively, when they met (Clyde turned 21 shortly thereafter), 21 and 23 when they embarked on their crime spree, and 23 and 25 when they were killed. Clyde had a baby-face and Bonnie had a fragile quality, as cherry68 pointed out. They were often mistaken for high schoolers and could go undetected even after the infamous gangster photos were leaked, though they were constantly moving around, from state to state, just to be safe. Ted Hinton, a young Dallas deputy who had known Clyde in their youth and was a frequent customer of Bonnie's at the diner where she worked and had a crush on her, was chosen to be part of the posse that hunted them down in part because he could identify them both on sight. In short, B&C looked very young in real life though toward the end they had lost a lot of weight after two years on the run. The following mugshot was often reused in newspapers, because it best represented how youthful Clyde really looked. He was even referred to as a 'baby thug' at one point. fine, but I was more getting at how I think O'Connell and Moretz seem too young and too fresh-faced next to Dunaway and Beatty. Even if it's technically more accurate, I'm not expecting them to compare favorably to their predecessors. And since a lot of people watching this will likely already be familiar with Penn's film, that comparison is inexorable and by that time, making the point that the age range is more historically accurate is going to seem like a technicality. But I don't think it's the age thing that bothers me, really. What bothers me is that Moretz isn't talented or charismatic or has anything resembling star presence. She isn't going to be a convincing Bonnie.
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Post by cherry68 on Nov 6, 2018 7:08:53 GMT
Tommen_SapersteinI seriously doubt that someone but film buffs can be familiar with Penn 's movie. Most people only remember the former Bonnie and Clyde actors as the couple that messed up the 2017 Oscar best movie announcement. I'm 50 and most people my age can't remember it, leave alone younger audiences.
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Post by marvelass on Nov 7, 2018 17:10:59 GMT
As a lover of Penn's film (see avatar), I gotta agree with cherry68. Most people today know the names 'Bonnie & Clyde' via hip-hop/pop cultural references. For instance, the recent Halloween movie had two major characters dress up as B&C. I think that's why the producers of this new project stated the following: The story of Bonnie and Clyde is epic. It's not just about a couple who went on a crime spree. Their story encompasses the Great Depression (B&C were dirt-poor) and Prohibition (Bonnie was a drinker; Clyde preferred to stay sober to keep an eye out for "the laws"), both which gave rise to the Public Enemy Era (1931-1935). Also, their deaths via ambush remains controversial and still resonates today because they were not given Due Process, which is guaranteed in the 5th and 14th Amendments ("No person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"). Then there's B&C's narcissism (posing amorously or with their guns for photos) which speaks to today's 'selfie generation,' as well as their becoming nationally famous for doing bad things. Both of them desperately craved fame and fortune. They enjoyed reading about their exploits, and Bonnie even wrote poems about their escapades. Furthermore, Clyde's prison stint exposes how corrupt the system could/can be, especially in Texas. Despite initially being just a petty criminal, he was sent to an untamed prison farm where he was routinely subjected to beatings by the guards. That's why he became so desperate and chopped off two toes from his foot to get out of work detail. In prison, he committed his first murder when he killed another inmate, Ed Crowder, who had raped him. All of this combined to turn Clyde "from a schoolboy to a rattlesnake," as a fellow inmate observed. When he was released after two years, Clyde was a very dangerous and vengeful man. The whole point of starting the so-called Barrow Gang and robbing stores/banks/armories was to recruit members and finance his mission to return to the prison, release as many inmates as possible, and kill all the guards, which he eventually accomplished (with Bonnie's aid) four months before his death though only one guard was killed (another was injured) and 5 prisoners escaped, including Henry Methvin whose father would eventually set up the ambush. Talk about Shakespearean! Bonnie's fascination with the movies also gives us a glimpse into the end of the Silent Film Era (late twenties) and Pre-Code Hollywood (1929-1934), the five years when films were becoming daring and were unafraid to portray life as is (e.g., promiscuity, drug use, infidelity). The so-called Hays Code, a set of moral guidelines for motion pictures in the United States, wasn't enforced until mid-1934, a couple of months after B&C's demise. For over 30 years, the Hays Code dictated what could and could not be shown on screen. Ironically, it was Arthur Penn's Bonnie and Clyde, with its graphic violence, anti-hero main characters, and frank depiction of sexuality that finally did away with the Code and a new film rating system was created in its place in 1968 (still in effect today). Lastly, as an amateur B&C historian, I vouch that Penn's film was pretty factual though their story was glamorized and oversimplified because Penn was merely using them as commentary for '60s disenchantment with authority. But this new project is based on Jeff Guinn's biography, which really delves into their history. I only hope they do the book justice.
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