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Post by stephen on Oct 16, 2018 22:00:46 GMT
In the midst of #metoo, the gender pay-gap and the importance of female inclusion in the creative workspace, The Wife comes out at the perfect time, as outrage at the injustices against women in both professional and personal settings has reached a fever pitch. And certainly, it is a film that relies on that fiery indignation to work—even the title, which reduces the primary character to a domestic label, is designed to incense.
Said character is Joan Castleman (Glenn Close), the quintessential dutiful supportive spouse. Her husband Joe (Jonathan Pryce) is a renowned author who, in the film’s first scene, gets the news that he has been awarded the Nobel Prize for Literature. The Castlemans are flown to Sweden, where Joe is feted as a genius at parties and galas while Joan quietly simmers with the other wives, listening to mundanities while their husbands are worshipped for their genius.
Joan, however, is not like them, as we find out when the film shifts to flashbacks of the early ‘60s, at the start of their relationship. Back then, Joan was a wide-eyed student who showed great promise as a writer in her own right. She draws the attention of her professor, who turns out to be the young Joe Castleman, and they begin an affair. As these flashbacks fill in the gaps, in the present day, Joan’s resentment of her husband begins to take shape, especially when a muckraking journalist (Christian Slater) eager to dig up dirt on her husband comes into the picture, and soon it becomes clear that perhaps Joe isn’t the genius that people think he might be . . . and that the title might very well belong to Joan.
The film has been bandied about as the vehicle to finally clinch Glenn Close her long-eluded Academy Award (after six unsuccessful bids). Certainly, the film spends a lot of time focusing on her face, the way that her lips press together into a grimace whenever she hears someone extol her husband’s praises or the way her eyes flash with steely irritation when she spies evidence of Joe’s philanderings (because of course, he does!). Even when Close is allowed to let loose, it still is done in a very low-key fashion. In the face of showier performances this year, I am not certain this will be the one to secure her spot on the stage come Oscar night.
For his part, Jonathan Pryce is decent in a role that lends itself to—and unfortunately bogs down into—cliche, and unfortunately the script suffers from the same issues. You can see every single plot point coming a mile off. Annie Starke and Harry Lloyd do very well with the younger incarnations of the main characters, and honestly I feel their machinations were far more interesting to watch. Elizabeth McGovern has a nice one-scene wonder as a miserable author who makes a striking impression on the young Joan. But it’s the Glenn Close Show from start to finish, in all that such a label entails. You’re going to get good work, verging on great at times, but it’s work you’ve seen variations of before, and in a project that would be rather rickety without her.
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Post by speeders on Oct 16, 2018 22:37:58 GMT
I watched this today too and found the movie to be really banal. The first act was insufferable but the movie slightly improved when it went on. I've never been feeling Close as a lock for either a win or a nom for this and this didn't do much to persuade me. The media and fanboys are pushing the "overdue" factor but I don't think many, even Academy voters care. I think she could in a stronger film but the movie she's in feels really outdated and amateurishly made, with so many laughable directing choices verging on incompetence. Anyone who writes the line "Hey, sis!" in this day and age should have their screenwriting license revoked. There's a lot of yelling, ham and theatrics, with acting very mannered with forced conflict between the characters. You rarely felt like you were watching real people. I think this is pretty much the polar opposite of 45 Years, which was quietly heartbreaking and haunting with an extremely captivating lead performance. Close was very solid here but in a year as strong as this, I find the Oscar talk ridiculous.
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Post by stephen on Oct 16, 2018 22:47:10 GMT
I watched this today too and found the movie to be really banal. The first act was insufferable but the movie slightly improved when it went on. I've never been feeling Close as a lock for either a win or a nom for this and this didn't do much to persuade me. The media and fanboys are pushing the "overdue" factor but I don't think many, even Academy voters care. I think she could in a stronger film but the movie she's in feels really outdated and amateurishly made, with so many laughable directing choices verging on incompetence. Anyone who writes the line "Hey, sis!" in this day and age should have their screenwriting license revoked. There's a lot of yelling, ham and theatrics, with acting very mannered with forced conflict between the characters. You rarely felt like you were watching real people. I think this is pretty much the polar opposite of 45 Years, which was quietly heartbreaking and haunting with an extremely captivating lead performance. Close was very solid here but in a year as strong as this, I find the Oscar talk ridiculous. 4.5-5/10 Yeah, after I finished it, my first thought was, "Man, she could actually miss for that." I don't think she will, considering she's SPC's main horse, but I think if one judges the performance on its own merits and takes the whole "Glenn Close is overdue!" narrative out of it, with its early-ass release, I don't know if I can see the performance clinging to voters' minds in the face of louder, showier turns, certainly not enough to matter by year's end. This isn't a Julianne Moore in 2014 situation, either (the parallel I've seen a lot of people trotting out). That performance was very showy and Moore had weaker competition than Close does.
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Post by thomasjerome on Oct 17, 2018 0:17:42 GMT
I just wish the whole film would consist of Close and Slater just sit down and talk with each other. The directing here was uninspiring as was the predictable script. I'm also not sure if Close will make it even though she was definitely the best thing about it.
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Post by speeders on Oct 17, 2018 0:35:32 GMT
I watched this today too and found the movie to be really banal. The first act was insufferable but the movie slightly improved when it went on. I've never been feeling Close as a lock for either a win or a nom for this and this didn't do much to persuade me. The media and fanboys are pushing the "overdue" factor but I don't think many, even Academy voters care. I think she could in a stronger film but the movie she's in feels really outdated and amateurishly made, with so many laughable directing choices verging on incompetence. Anyone who writes the line "Hey, sis!" in this day and age should have their screenwriting license revoked. There's a lot of yelling, ham and theatrics, with acting very mannered with forced conflict between the characters. You rarely felt like you were watching real people. I think this is pretty much the polar opposite of 45 Years, which was quietly heartbreaking and haunting with an extremely captivating lead performance. Close was very solid here but in a year as strong as this, I find the Oscar talk ridiculous. 4.5-5/10 Yeah, after I finished it, my first thought was, "Man, she could actually miss for that." I don't think she will, considering she's SPC's main horse, but I think if one judges the performance on its own merits and takes the whole "Glenn Close is overdue!" narrative out of it, with its early-ass release, I don't know if I can see the performance clinging to voters' minds in the face of louder, showier turns, certainly not enough to matter by year's end. This isn't a Julianne Moore in 2014 situation, either (the parallel I've seen a lot of people trotting out). That performance was very showy and Moore had weaker competition than Close does. Yes, as much as I was against Still Alice and her performance winning (especially given that it will age so poorly and everyone will wonder how come Moore won for THAT out of everything in her filmography. I wish they would have waited for the right performance but oh well... same with Oldman this year), at least that year was so weak, Cotillard got in without spending a second or cent campaigning. And Moore had a lot of buzz that year after her Cannes win for Maps to the Stars, which was never getting in. There was a lot louder support for her this time of year back then than there is for Close now. But what was most on her side was that Moore had on her side was the subject matter, early on set Alzheimer's that gave her the edge that year and was a film that appealed to more than The Wife will. I think it will also feel way too European and "scholarly" for a lot of people. I just cannot see that much passion for this, apart from a vocal minority. This is shaping up to be the most competitive year of the decade... and I just don't see Close cutting it. If she gets in I think it will because of how many critics and journalists have paved her way for a nomination, rather than on her own merit. And it pains me to say that because I like her. Let's just wait for a better film/performance. Close can do better and deserves the Oscar for something worthier of her than The Wife.
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Post by stephen on Oct 17, 2018 0:38:36 GMT
I just wish the whole film would consist of Close and Slater just sit down and talk with each other. The directing here was uninspiring as was the predictable script. I'm also not sure if Close will make it even though she was definitely the best thing about it. I think that would've made for a more fascinating film. The interactions with Pryce felt so very "been there, done that" almost to the point of nausea, whereas the woefully underdeveloped subplot with Slater had promise. Imagine if the film had been about Close's character being the supportive wife without any trace of resentment or irritation at her husband's accolades, and that we see Slater's character begin to break down the walls and reveal the secret turmoil. I imagine it as a two-hour version of the Tom Cruise/April Grace scene in Magnolia, where after an hour of Close's character going over her history with Pryce and setting up this idyllic image of being the dutiful spouse to a genius, Slater provides the stories from Close's college years, where some of her language has bled into some of the works her husband has been credited for (because writers really can't abandon their own stylistic voice entirely), and that he knows that she has done more than act as proofreader. Then you see the character Close has crafted begin to crumble, and the second half of the film is her coming to terms with how her husband is a philanderer taking full advantage of her gifts, and how her marriage is a sham.
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Post by alexanderblanchett on Oct 17, 2018 23:14:45 GMT
Excellent portrait of a aging couple and a woman who finds herself and faces the decisions she made in life. Its a wonderful ensemble of great actors in great performances. Of course the big word is on Glenn Close who gives a terrific performance. First it is very subtle until she throws out her whole acting weapon towards the end. But as quiet as the performance is in the beginning you see that something is building up to burst out. But as good as Close was there is one thing we shall not forget: Jonathan Pryce. A tremendous performance by this underrated actor and one that is not in the shadow of the grande Close. It is a twisted and unpredictable showcase in any way by Mr. Pryce. Christian Slater was okay in a supporting role but nothing to write home. A great discovery is Annie Starke, the daughter of Glenn Close, who is really standing out as the younger version of her mother's character. Nice cameo by Elizabeth McGowan and quite well support by Max Irons round it up to a great ensemble piece. The screenplay was good as was the direction. Nice score and a really good chemistry between the two leads.
Current nominations for:
Best Actor in a Leading Role: Jonathan Pryce Best Actress in a Leading Role: Glenn Close Best Actress in a Supporting Role: Annie Starke Best Adapted Screenplay Best Ensemble
Rating: 8/10
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Post by JangoB on Oct 19, 2018 12:59:26 GMT
The movie kinda blows. Close and Pryce are quite good and they basically carry the whole thing on their shoulders, and while Close's performance sometimes seems a tad too calculated for its own good, in its best scenes (the latter part of the film) it really shines. Too bad the rest of the actors ham it up to the highest degree (especially the son) and that the film is just such a silly melodrama.
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Post by stephen on Oct 19, 2018 15:26:55 GMT
The movie kinda blows. Close and Pryce are quite good and they basically carry the whole thing on their shoulders, and while Close's performance sometimes seems a tad too calculated for its own good, in its best scenes (the latter part of the film) it really shines. Too bad the rest of the actors ham it up to the highest degree (especially the son) and that the film is just such a silly melodrama. Max Irons is no Jeremy.
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Post by JangoB on Oct 19, 2018 15:57:07 GMT
The movie kinda blows. Close and Pryce are quite good and they basically carry the whole thing on their shoulders, and while Close's performance sometimes seems a tad too calculated for its own good, in its best scenes (the latter part of the film) it really shines. Too bad the rest of the actors ham it up to the highest degree (especially the son) and that the film is just such a silly melodrama. Max Irons is no Jeremy. He's pretty much the opposite. Man, it's just been a couple of hours since I watched this and it's already become worse in my mind. It's like the antithesis of "45 Years" is pretty much every department - while that film was very light on dialogue and bluntness, this one is verbose and very insistent on expoisition. And I think that does a real disservice to Close's performance - the director seems to want to rely on her face to pull the audience into her inner turmoil, but then he himself undermines that by constantly using flashbacks that literally explain everything we're supposed to read in her face, and by underscoring the close-ups with sappy music which also tells us everything. And all these artificial tricks make the turning of the screws of Close's performance just more visible in the first two acts of the film - there's a real lack of spontaniety and naturalism to the film and a bit of that affects her performance too. It'd be a shame if she won for a film like this.
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Post by stephen on Oct 19, 2018 16:04:30 GMT
He's pretty much the opposite. Man, it's just been a couple of hours since I watched this and it's already become worse in my mind. It's like the antithesis of "45 Years" is pretty much every department - while that film was very light on dialogue and bluntness, this one is verbose and very insistent on expoisition. And I think that does a real disservice to Close's performance - the director seems to want to rely on her face to pull the audience into her inner turmoil, but then he himself undermines that by constantly using flashbacks that literally explain everything we're supposed to read in her face, and by underscoring the close-ups with sappy music which also tells us everything. And all these artificial tricks make the turning of the screws of Close's performance just more visible in the first two acts of the film - there's a real lack of spontaniety and naturalism to the film and a bit of that affects her performance too. It'd be a shame if she won for a film like this. Yeah, it is not at all a film that ages well on retrospect, and I actually wonder if many of the votes she will likely accrue over the course of the season will be from people who didn't actually watch the movie, but heard the premise and imagined what Close would do in that situation, because honestly, that's probably a better film than what the end result here is. I think that Close has her moments, but as you say, artificiality coats every scene of the movie and undercuts her at every turn. Gaga had similar issues with having to struggle against Cooper's ego-infused direction and the general story focus, but at least she had a co-star doing his best to steal every scene for awards glory. Pryce doesn't do that, so Close is just kinda left holding the bag. If I had to rate it against her other nominated works, it probably would be at or near the bottom.
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Post by Zeb31 on Jan 22, 2019 17:08:52 GMT
I'm gonna have to go against the grain on this one. I do have my issues with it, beginning and ending with the script's structure. Annie Starke is lovely (it's amazing how much her voice resembles her mother's), but even she can't quite justify those flashbacks, which don't really offer any information that couldn't have been conveyed just as effectively through dialogue. The latter-day scenes are where the film's greatest strengths are, and in no instance does it benefit from interrupting that action to give us a flashback. I also feel that the script lays it on too thick to get its point across at times, including the whole monologue from the female author who discourages Joan to write, as well as some of the dialogue during those climactic fights between Joan and Joe. Having him actually say out loud "but what about the back rubs!" was a little jarring in how inelegant it was in comparison to the rest of the third act, like the writer decided to play to the cheap seats and nudge us in the most obvious direction instead of letting the preceding 90 minutes of characterization speak for themselves. Finally, I wasn't a fan the whole heart attack resolution, which struck me as too convenient to really have an impact. Everything was wrapped up so quickly that Joe's death barely even registered for me. The reason why the film still works in spite of these missteps is that it rests squarely on Close's shoulders, and she responds with a fantastic performance that holds the entire project together and electrifies the screen whenever the camera is on her. She can suggest multiple conflicting emotions at once without uttering a single word of dialogue, and at no point in the film is this as evident as during the scene with Slater at the hotel bar.I love the suggestion that this would work better as a chamber piece featuring only these two characters, with the truth about Joe's writing slowly being revealed as the conversation progresses and Joan finally faces the scalding resentment that she has accumulated over their three decades of marriage, and it's hard not to agree with it when Close takes that short scene and makes it such a Goddamn spectacle. She packs so much into that short exchange: righteous fury, seething contempt (for both men), a long-cultivated instinct to remain poised and in control of the situation at all times even in the face of indignant humiliation, and also a twinge of defiance and irony. Close is also stellar when she goes toe to toe with Pryce, and again I wish that the entire film focused on her, not because of the quality of Starke's acting (again, she's very good), but because the script only really comes to life when it turns the spotlight to latter-day Joan and thus gives Close the space to flex her muscles. As for her awards prospects, I'll have to disagree again. Obviously hindsight is 20/20, but this really does make sense as a winning role. Her overdue narrative will aid tremendously, of course, but it's showy enough on its own too. I'm yet to see The Favourite, but for my money Close would be a worthy champion.
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Post by stephen on Jan 22, 2019 17:23:41 GMT
As for her awards prospects, I'll have to disagree again. Obviously hindsight is 20/20, but this really does make sense as a winning role. Her overdue narrative will aid tremendously, of course, but it's showy enough on its own too. I'm yet to see The Favourite, but for my money Close would be a worthy champion. Well, I guess no matter which way the final vote goes, you'll be happy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 17:29:55 GMT
Zeb31 - I meant to tell you in my message that I think it's the kind of performance that will resonate with older voters and act as an introduction to Close for younger voters (the comparisons to 45 Years and Rampling may be trite, but it makes total sense).
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Post by Zeb31 on Jan 22, 2019 17:52:55 GMT
As for her awards prospects, I'll have to disagree again. Obviously hindsight is 20/20, but this really does make sense as a winning role. Her overdue narrative will aid tremendously, of course, but it's showy enough on its own too. I'm yet to see The Favourite, but for my money Close would be a worthy champion. Well, I guess no matter which way the final vote goes, you'll be happy. Hopefully, yeah. Best Actor, on the other hand...
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jan 22, 2019 19:07:42 GMT
really liked Close (the performance if not so much the character; Joan is rather pathetic)
But everything else about the film was shockingly bad. Like TV-movie of the week level bad, from the spoiled bitch of a son (surely this was the most annoying character of 2018) to Jonathan Pryce's unconvincing outbursts and the hilariously wooden acting in the flashbacks to the very conceit of the film; an arrogant fraud receiving a Nobel Prize for his wife's writing. The unbelievable convenience and heavy-handedness of it boggles the mind. It's not enough that Pryce is stealing Close's writing, it's that she's a world-renowned artistic genius in disguise who's just gone and won a Nobel Prize for her lying, philandering husband. It's as subtle as a heart attack. 4/10
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Jan 28, 2019 21:54:22 GMT
I have practically nothing but disdain for this film, and I feel like time will remove the practically.
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Post by jakob on Feb 1, 2019 21:52:17 GMT
It was a bit theatrically dramatic and I really wish they hadn't included the flashbacks, as I feel it removes any sense of mystery or doubt to the proceedings, but every time Glenn was onscreen, it was pure fire. Even for how subtle she is in the first half, she's doing so much heavy-lifting and there's so much for her to work with. I actually really liked it as the senior citizen soap opera that it was. Glenn for sure is winning for that performance and had I seen it much earlier, I would have declared that a lot sooner. It was hard to predict her without having seen her work, but it is worthy. Maybe my least favorite of the five nominees, but it's a "winning" performance in a film that almost doesn't deserve her. This is definitely this year's Still Alice for multiple reasons (seasoned veteran finally getting her due, soapy material, incredibly small film).
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Post by Viced on Feb 10, 2019 3:30:06 GMT
Glenn Close and Jonathan Pryce (where the fuck is his awards attention?) elevate it to a 6/10. Pretty badly directed for the most part... like random lingering shots of a car driving away or the camera staying on some random guy during the singing in bed scene for no reason. And I liked the idea of the flashbacks more than the execution... Was this random Swedish guy chosen just because a lot of it was filmed in Sweden? Was Lisa Cholodenko busy or something? But despite those complaints, it's mostly watchable and I was never bored. Close is amazing... she does an insane amount without saying anything. She'd be the third best winner of the decade for me after McDormand and Blanchett.
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