|
Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Aug 11, 2018 11:09:11 GMT
So I thought I'd add these, and then I had a request to do so too from pupdurcs , and again, thanks so much to ingmarhepburn for saving them and our old friend Mitch for doing the older ones. Actresses Old Poll01 Meryl Streep 02 Bette Davis 03 Ingrid Bergman 04 Kate Winslet 05 Katharine Hepburn 06 Julianne Moore 07 Maggie Smith 08 Liv Ullmann 09 Sissy Spacek 10 Faye Dunaway 11 Cate Blanchett 12 Vivien Leigh 13 Nicole Kidman 14 Jodie Foster 15 Emma Thompson 16 Julie Christie 17 Tilda Swinton 18 Glenn Close 19 Diane Keaton 20 Audrey Hepburn 21 Anne Bancroft 22 Juliette Binoche 23 Vanessa Redgrave 24 Elizabeth Taylor 25 Sigourney Weaver 26 Jane Fonda 27 Michelle Williams 28 Isabelle Huppert 29 Laura Linney 30 Greta Garbo 31 Barbara Stanwyck 32 Gena Rowlands 33 Judy Davis 34 Judi Dench 35 Toni Collette 36 Giullietta Masina 37 Catherine Deneuve 38 Anjelica Huston 39 Isabelle Adjani 40 Olivia de Havilland 41 Angela Lansbury 42 Naomi Watts 43 Helen Mirren 44 Madeline Kahn 45 Shirley MacLaine 46 Jessica Lange 47 Kristin Scott Thomas 48 Joan Allen 49 Miranda Richardson 50 Winona Ryder Actresses New Poll01 Meryl Streep 02 Ingrid Bergman 03 Isabelle Huppert 04 Bette Davis 04 Katharine Hepburn 06 Cate Blanchett 07 Liv Ullmann 08 Nicole Kidman 09 Sissy Spacek 10 Frances McDormand 11 Vivien Leigh 12 Julianne Moore 13 Faye Dunaway 14 Holly Hunter 15 Kate Winslet 16 Jane Fonda 17 Elizabeth Taylor 17 Gena Rowlands 19 Deborah Kerr 20 Audrey Hepburn 21 Juliette Binoche 22 Barbara Stanwyck 23 Isabelle Adjani 23 Michelle Pfeiffer 25 Jodie Foster 26 Judi Dench 27 Diane Keaton 28 Tilda Swinton 29 Marion Cotillard 30 Helen Mirren 31 Olivia De Havilland 31 Sigourney Weaver 33 Naomi Watts 34 Greta Garbo 35 Jessica Lange 36 Catherine Deneuve 37 Glenn Close 38 Gong Li 39 Lillian Gish 40 Natalie Wood 41 Laura Dern 42 Joan Fontaine 43 Anna Magnani 43 Setsuko Hara 45 Maggie Smith 46 Anne Bancroft 46 Susan Sarandon 48 Harriet Andersson 49 Annette Bening 50 Vanessa Redgrave Actors Old Poll01 Paul Newman 02 Jack Lemmon 03 Al Pacino 04 Marlon Brando 05 Jack Nicholson 06 Daniel Day-Lewis 07 Dustin Hoffman 08 Robert De Niro 09 James Stewart 10 Gene Hackman 11 Laurence Olivier 12 Gary Oldman 13 Philip Seymour Hoffman 14 Brad Pitt 15 Max von Sydow 16 Peter O’Toole 17 Humphrey Bogart 18 Peter Sellers 19 Albert Finney 20 Montgomery Clift 21 Russell Crowe 22 Cary Grant 23 Charles Chaplin 24 Denzel Washington 25 Richard Burton 26 Alec Guinness 27 Marcello Mastroianni 28 Robert duvall 29 George C. Scott 30 Kevin Spacey 31 Anthony Hopkins 32 Ralph Fiennes 33 Henry Fonda 34 Gregory Peck 35 William Holden 36 Jeff Bridges 37 John Hurt 38 Sam Rockwell 39 Sean Penn 40 Toshiro Mifune 41 Michael Caine 42 Jeremy Irons 43 Robert Downey Jr. 44 Robin Williams 45 Geoffrey Rush 46 Javier Bardem 47 Bem Kingsley 48 Gene Wilder 49 Paul Giamatti 50 Daniel Auteuil Actors New Poll01 Al Pacino 02 Marlon Brando 03 Daniel Day-Lewis 04 Robert De Niro 05 Jack Nicholson 06 Gene Hackman 07 Dustin Hoffman 08 James Stewart 09 Paul Newman 10 Jack Lemmon 11 Philip Seymour Hoffman 12 Joaquin Phoenix 13 Denzel Washington 14 Peter O’Toole 15 Toshiro Mifune 16 Montgomery Clift 17 Charles Chaplin 18 Laurence Olivier 19 Richard Burton 20 George C. Scott 20 Tom Hanks 22 Max von Sydow 23 Robin Williams 24 Gerard Depardieu 25 Humphrey Bogart 26 Jeff Bridges 27 Leonardo DiCaprio 28 Anthony Hopkins 29 Cary Grant 29 Gary Oldman 31 Spencer Tracy 32 Henry Fonda 33 Ralph Fiennes 34 Burt Lancaster 35 James Cagney 35 Robert Duvall 37 Peter Sellers 38 Ryan Gosling 39 Donald Sutherland 40 Alec Guinness 41 Nicolas Cage 42 Willem Dafoe 43 Marcello Mastroianni 44 Daniel Auteuil 44 Morgan Freeman 46 Albert Finney 47 Javier Bardem 48 Edward Norton 48 James Mason 48 Michael Caine
|
|
|
Post by HELENA MARIA on Aug 11, 2018 12:00:05 GMT
Thank you !!!!
|
|
|
Post by Martin Stett on Aug 11, 2018 14:04:41 GMT
JACK DROPPED FROM TWO TO TEN!?!?!?
Clearly, I'm not pushing him hard enough.
|
|
|
Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Aug 11, 2018 14:41:04 GMT
I think Mifune and Huppert jumping 25 spots is amazing. Maggie Smith and Albert Finney took a hell of a fall though. 38 & 27 spots respectively.
|
|
|
Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Aug 11, 2018 20:15:06 GMT
Wow, Huppert shot up from #28 to #3...
|
|
cherry68
Based
Man is unhappy because he doesn't know he's happy. It's only that.
Posts: 3,596
Likes: 2,073
|
Post by cherry68 on Aug 11, 2018 22:29:44 GMT
So, Gary wins best leading actor and thus goes down from 12 to 29? 😵
|
|
|
Post by fiosnasiob on Aug 12, 2018 18:59:59 GMT
So, Gary wins best leading actor and thus goes down from 12 to 29? 😵 As Scrudpup rightly say in another topic, some people tend to give extra love and support to the underrated, the oscarless/overdue, now Gary is an oscar winner and for a performance that many consider to be undeserving/far from his best, he got some real hate during all the awards season (especially from some annoying Chalamet's fanboys) so maybe all of this is still too fresh in some people mind. He may have won an oscar but probably lost a little in popularity (for a moment) in place like this one. Add that some hardcore fans from IMDB like that French girl who was as much a fan as you are not on this new site, he's obviously loosing some points.
|
|
cherry68
Based
Man is unhappy because he doesn't know he's happy. It's only that.
Posts: 3,596
Likes: 2,073
|
Post by cherry68 on Aug 12, 2018 21:36:43 GMT
So, Gary wins best leading actor and thus goes down from 12 to 29? 😵 Add that some hardcore fans from IMDB like that French girl who was as much a fan as you are not on this new site, he's obviously loosing some points. You mean Lily 19? She appreciated Oldman, but I wouldn't call her a great fan.
|
|
|
Post by fiosnasiob on Aug 12, 2018 21:54:18 GMT
Add that some hardcore fans from IMDB like that French girl who was as much a fan as you are not on this new site, he's obviously loosing some points. You mean Lily 19? She appreciated Oldman, but I wouldn't call her a great fan. Yeah Lily (I know her under another username on French's site). Hmm really ? Did you missed her long and passionate posts about Gary ? I guarantee you that he would have gotten at the very least 25pts from her if she voted
|
|
cherry68
Based
Man is unhappy because he doesn't know he's happy. It's only that.
Posts: 3,596
Likes: 2,073
|
Post by cherry68 on Aug 12, 2018 21:58:07 GMT
You mean Lily 19? She appreciated Oldman, but I wouldn't call her a great fan. Yeah Lily (I know her under another username on French's site). Hmm really ? Did you missed her long and passionate posts about Gary ? I guarantee you that he would have gotten at the very least 25pts from her if she voted There were only two hardcore fans on movie awards, me and Hester Prynne 😉. I didn't vote though 😕
|
|
|
Post by pacinoyes on Aug 12, 2018 22:03:26 GMT
So, Gary wins best leading actor and thus goes down from 12 to 29? 😵 As Scrudpup rightly say in another topic, some people tend to give extra love and support to the underrated, the oscarless/overdue, now Gary is an oscar winner and for a performance that many consider to be undeserving/far from his best, he got some real hate during all the awards season (especially from some annoying Chalamet's fanboys) so maybe all of this is still too fresh in some people mind. He may have won an oscar but probably lost a little in popularity (for a moment) in place like this one. Add that some hardcore fans from IMDB like that French girl who was as much a fan as you are not on this new site, he's obviously loosing some points. This is somewhat preposterous in relation to Oldman and also call the poster by his correct name pupdurcs. First you don't know that Lily is even still a fan, but more importantly the Oscar itself is the one being castigated there not Oldman. That 12th place he had was really too high in the general sense - I love him and I may rank him in that range personally (maybe) but he just can't be ahead of PSH, Finney, and also 12 spots ahead of contemporary DWash (too high now at 13 imo) which was eyebrow raising at the time, and 27 (wtf) ahead of Penn who is his contemporary too and missing altogether now. It's just a form of correction, but his previous place was pretty obviously ballot stuffing really. It isn't that they saw him as that much of an underdog, it was likely a block of voters operating as a group or something similar to that. We can't just assume all the voting in the past especially was exempt from that............
|
|
cherry68
Based
Man is unhappy because he doesn't know he's happy. It's only that.
Posts: 3,596
Likes: 2,073
|
Post by cherry68 on Aug 12, 2018 22:11:41 GMT
Oldman... just can't be ahead of PSH, Finney, and also 12 spots ahead of contemporary DWash (too high now at 13 imo) which was eyebrow raising at the time, and 27 (wtf) ahead of Penn who is his contemporary too and missing altogether now. It's just a form of correction, but his previous place was pretty obviously ballot stuffing really. It isn't that they saw him as that much of an underdog, it was likely a block of voters operating as a group or something similar to that. We can't just assume all the voting in the past especially was exempt from that............ Well, these are your opinions, not facts. Imo Oldman is a top 5 actor, PSH isn't. And watch State of grace and tell me if Oldman isn't better than Penn.
|
|
|
Post by stephen on Aug 12, 2018 22:16:11 GMT
As Scrudpup rightly say in another topic, some people tend to give extra love and support to the underrated, the oscarless/overdue, now Gary is an oscar winner and for a performance that many consider to be undeserving/far from his best, he got some real hate during all the awards season (especially from some annoying Chalamet's fanboys) so maybe all of this is still too fresh in some people mind. He may have won an oscar but probably lost a little in popularity (for a moment) in place like this one. Add that some hardcore fans from IMDB like that French girl who was as much a fan as you are not on this new site, he's obviously loosing some points. This is somewhat preposterous in relation to Oldman and also call the poster by his correct name pupdurcs. First you don't know that Lily is even still a fan, but more importantly the Oscar itself is the one being castigated there not Oldman. That 12th place he had was really too high in the general sense - I love him and I may rank him in that range personally (maybe) but he just can't be ahead of PSH, Finney, and also 12 spots ahead of contemporary DWash (too high now at 13 imo) which was eyebrow raising at the time, and 27 (wtf) ahead of Penn who is his contemporary too and missing altogether now. It's just a form of correction, but his previous place was pretty obviously ballot stuffing really. It isn't that they saw him as that much of an underdog, it was likely a block of voters operating as a group or something similar to that. We can't just assume all the voting in the past especially was exempt from that............ I think in general, people take things like this way too seriously. There are different metrics by which people vote. Some vote based on their favorites. Some strategically leave people off that they think will have support elsewhere in order to ensure some love for their own people. Some go by consistency, others by career peaks/valleys. With so many different variations on how people vote, and with a fraction of the voters the original poll enjoyed, I think it's hard to use these as verifiable metrics of how much someone is loved in relation to someone else. If you asked people who was better between Pacino/Oldman on an individual level, you might see a different result than what this particular poll would suggest. With that said, I do think Oldman's suffering a bit of backlash both from his Oscar win and the lingering air of the accusations lobbed his way, which regardless of their veracity might still color people's opinions on him. Kevin Spacey, who dropped like a meteor between then and now, obviously suffered from his own personal indiscretions being brought to the limelight. Whether or not you find it fair to bring someone's personal life into the assessment of their work (as surely will happen with Polanski/Allen in the upcoming directors' poll), the fact is that for a lot of people, they can't separate those two things, and they aren't entirely wrong for doing so. These lists are entirely subjective when it comes down to it. I do find it interesting that another person who placed highly on the previous poll and who won an Oscar in the interim, Sam Rockwell, was also absent this time. Quite curious indeed.
|
|
|
Post by pacinoyes on Aug 12, 2018 22:31:42 GMT
Oldman... just can't be ahead of PSH, Finney, and also 12 spots ahead of contemporary DWash (too high now at 13 imo) which was eyebrow raising at the time, and 27 (wtf) ahead of Penn who is his contemporary too and missing altogether now. It's just a form of correction, but his previous place was pretty obviously ballot stuffing really. It isn't that they saw him as that much of an underdog, it was likely a block of voters operating as a group or something similar to that. We can't just assume all the voting in the past especially was exempt from that............ Well, these are your opinions, not facts. Imo Oldman is a top 5 actor, PSH isn't. And watch State of grace and tell me if Oldman isn't better than Penn. Not sure what you are saying here at all - I said I'd rate him highly and close to where he finished last time. I was pretty clear that on a personal level you may see his position differently, but regarding a "poll" like this it didn't make sense and acting is not a competition so I don't know what comparing them in State of Grace has to do with anything at all. Sorry, not really understanding what you're saying in regards to my post.
|
|
cherry68
Based
Man is unhappy because he doesn't know he's happy. It's only that.
Posts: 3,596
Likes: 2,073
|
Post by cherry68 on Aug 12, 2018 22:45:08 GMT
Well, these are your opinions, not facts. Imo Oldman is a top 5 actor, PSH isn't. And watch State of grace and tell me if Oldman isn't better than Penn. Not sure what you are saying here at all - I said I'd rate him highly and close to where he finished last time. I was pretty clear that on a personal level you may see his position differently, but regarding a "poll" like this it didn't make sense and acting is not a competition so I don't know what comparing them in State of Grace has to do with anything at all. Sorry, not really understanding what you're saying in regards to my post. We probably have a language issue.
|
|
|
Post by pupdurcs on Aug 12, 2018 23:43:36 GMT
As Scrudpup rightly say in another topic, some people tend to give extra love and support to the underrated, the oscarless/overdue, now Gary is an oscar winner and for a performance that many consider to be undeserving/far from his best, he got some real hate during all the awards season (especially from some annoying Chalamet's fanboys) so maybe all of this is still too fresh in some people mind. He may have won an oscar but probably lost a little in popularity (for a moment) in place like this one. Add that some hardcore fans from IMDB like that French girl who was as much a fan as you are not on this new site, he's obviously loosing some points. This is somewhat preposterous in relation to Oldman and also call the poster by his correct name pupdurcs. First you don't know that Lily is even still a fan, but more importantly the Oscar itself is the one being castigated there not Oldman. That 12th place he had was really too high in the general sense - I love him and I may rank him in that range personally (maybe) but he just can't be ahead of PSH, Finney, and also 12 spots ahead of contemporary DWash (too high now at 13 imo) which was eyebrow raising at the time, and 27 (wtf) ahead of Penn who is his contemporary too and missing altogether now. It's just a form of correction, but his previous place was pretty obviously ballot stuffing really. It isn't that they saw him as that much of an underdog, it was likely a block of voters operating as a group or something similar to that. We can't just assume all the voting in the past especially was exempt from that............ fiosnasiob can call me whatever he wants. It's no big deal. Stephen used my old handle on a recent thread as well. I know you guys got scrappy at the start of the actors thread, but that happens all the time between posters . We usually move on from it within 24 hours. You guys are grown fellas, and can handle your own disputes, but when my name is being dropped into the middle of the sniping, I just got to say let's chill out and move the fuck on. Onto the shit that actually matters, yes!lol! Oldman was in my top 10, and is maybe the most talented British actor ever. He may have misused his talent for large portions of his career and not done all he could with it, but saying he can't be ahead of PSH, Finney and especially Penn feels ridiculous to me. He could (And should) be ahead of any of them (especially Penn, who could even be considered a poor man's American Oldman in his youth). Frankly, Oldman is one of Washington's only contemporaries that I am not especially offended if people felt strongly enough to place him higher, because he's a monumental talent with a full career (on film anyway). None of these polls are that deep. Oldman always won polls for 'greatest actor to have never won an Oscar' for years and years on IMDB and everywhere else on the internet. That sense of underdog injustice enhanced his popularity on places like Oscar Buzz massively. He was a cause celebre, even to those who were not huge fans. You don't need a conspiracy to see why he placed so highly in the last poll. He was an unpopular win for many in the last Oscar race, has lost that underdog status and feelings are still conflicted. I would not be surprised if he bounced back close to his previous ranking after a bit of time has passed and the dust has settled. And morbid as it sounds, recent death has helped PSH a lot in maintaining his position with this crowd. Imagine how much he could potentially have dropped if he had a horror show decade like Penn. He can no longer hang around to disappoint people. And as much as I hate to say it, going forward Washington would probably stand a half decent chance of actually winning here if he was no longer among the living.Any slight resentment or animus towards his almost overwhelming GOAT status with general mainstream American audiences at the moment would probably be placated by nostalgia for his career if he was gone ( so he'd get more votes basically)
|
|
|
Post by pupdurcs on Aug 12, 2018 23:53:37 GMT
This is somewhat preposterous in relation to Oldman and also call the poster by his correct name pupdurcs. First you don't know that Lily is even still a fan, but more importantly the Oscar itself is the one being castigated there not Oldman. That 12th place he had was really too high in the general sense - I love him and I may rank him in that range personally (maybe) but he just can't be ahead of PSH, Finney, and also 12 spots ahead of contemporary DWash (too high now at 13 imo) which was eyebrow raising at the time, and 27 (wtf) ahead of Penn who is his contemporary too and missing altogether now. It's just a form of correction, but his previous place was pretty obviously ballot stuffing really. It isn't that they saw him as that much of an underdog, it was likely a block of voters operating as a group or something similar to that. We can't just assume all the voting in the past especially was exempt from that............ I think in general, people take things like this way too seriously. There are different metrics by which people vote. Some vote based on their favorites. Some strategically leave people off that they think will have support elsewhere in order to ensure some love for their own people. Some go by consistency, others by career peaks/valleys. With so many different variations on how people vote, and with a fraction of the voters the original poll enjoyed, I think it's hard to use these as verifiable metrics of how much someone is loved in relation to someone else. If you asked people who was better between Pacino/Oldman on an individual level, you might see a different result than what this particular poll would suggest. With that said, I do think Oldman's suffering a bit of backlash both from his Oscar win and the lingering air of the accusations lobbed his way, which regardless of their veracity might still color people's opinions on him. Kevin Spacey, who dropped like a meteor between then and now, obviously suffered from his own personal indiscretions being brought to the limelight. Whether or not you find it fair to bring someone's personal life into the assessment of their work (as surely will happen with Polanski/Allen in the upcoming directors' poll), the fact is that for a lot of people, they can't separate those two things, and they aren't entirely wrong for doing so.It These lists are entirely subjective when it comes down to it. I do find it interesting that another person who placed highly on the previous poll and who won an Oscar in the interim, Sam Rockwell, was also absent this time. Quite curious indeed. Well said! It isn't that deep. Rockwell was maybe like Giammati. A hipster '2000's' thing that people thought was cool to praise (or overpraise) at one time, but couldn't sustain any passion.
|
|
|
Post by pacinoyes on Aug 13, 2018 0:04:06 GMT
This is somewhat preposterous in relation to Oldman and also call the poster by his correct name pupdurcs. First you don't know that Lily is even still a fan, but more importantly the Oscar itself is the one being castigated there not Oldman. That 12th place he had was really too high in the general sense - I love him and I may rank him in that range personally (maybe) but he just can't be ahead of PSH, Finney, and also 12 spots ahead of contemporary DWash (too high now at 13 imo) which was eyebrow raising at the time, and 27 (wtf) ahead of Penn who is his contemporary too and missing altogether now. It's just a form of correction, but his previous place was pretty obviously ballot stuffing really. It isn't that they saw him as that much of an underdog, it was likely a block of voters operating as a group or something similar to that. We can't just assume all the voting in the past especially was exempt from that............ fiosnasiob can call me whatever he wants. It's no big deal. Stephen used my old handle on a recent thread as well. I know you guys got scrappy at the start of the actors thread, but that happens all the time between posters . We usually move on from it within 24 hours. You guys are grown fellas, and can handle your own disputes, but when my name is being dropped into the middle of the sniping, I just got say let's chill out and move the fuck on. Onto the shit that actually matters, yes!lol! Oldman was in my top 10, and is maybe the most talented British actor ever. He may have misused his talent for large portions of his career and not done all he could with it, but saying he can't be ahead of PSH, Finney and especially Penn feels ridiculous to me. He could (And should) be ahead of any of them (especially Penn, who could even be considered a poor man's American Oldman in his youth). Frankly, Oldman is one of Washington's only contemporaries that I am not especially offended if people felt strongly enough to place him higher, because he's a monumental talent with a full career (on film anyway). None of these polls are that deep. Oldman always won polls for 'greatest actor to have never won an Oscar' for years and years on IMDB and everywhere else on the internet. That sense of underdog injustice enhanced his popularity on places like Oscar massively. He was a cause celebre, even to those who were not huge fans. You don't need a conspiracy to see why he placed so highly in the last poll. He was an unpopular win for many in the last Oscar race, has lost that underdog status and feelings are still conflicted. I would not be surprised if he bounced back close to his previous ranking after a bit of time has passed and the dust has settled. And morbid as it sounds, recent death has helped PSH a lot in maintaining his position with this crowd. Imagine how much he could potentially have dropped if he had a horror show decade like Penn. He can no longer hang around to disappoint people. And as much as I hate to say it, going forward Washington would probably stand a half decent chance of actually winning here if he was no longer among the living.Any slight resentment or animus towards his almost overwhelming GOAT status with general mainstream American audiences at the moment would probably be placated by nostalgia for his career if he was gone ( so he'd get more votes basically) Yeah honestly I don't care what he calls you - but dude owes me an apology, I corrected him as is my right. He pulled a troll move and without it, well he better get everything right, lol. He can PM me. That's it. My point was it's ridiculous to treat the poll results that seriously like the troll did when the IMDB days clearly had trolls like that too - take it in good fun that was my only point. Well not my only one but you know...........shrug
|
|
|
Post by stephen on Aug 13, 2018 0:15:27 GMT
Rockwell was maybe like Giammati. A hipster '2000's' thing that people thought was cool to praise (or overpraise) at one time, but couldn't sustain any passion. Eh, Rockwell's biggest selling point at the time was that he had gone unsung despite several key performances worthy of acclaim. Plus he had a few huge proponents on the old site (i.e. Mitch) who didn't cross over here. I don't know if it's a "hipster" thing to praise Rockwell, but when one begins compiling a list like this, he's definitely an actor that needs passion votes to make a dent because he's a character actor who rarely finds himself in leading roles, and he's up against titans. How many of these guys in the new list are chiefly supporting actors? I should say that it's interesting that we just had a year where old board favorites like Gary Oldman, Sam Rockwell and Allison Janney won Oscars, and the overwhelming response to their victories was more or less "meh."
|
|
|
Post by pupdurcs on Aug 13, 2018 0:29:13 GMT
fiosnasiob can call me whatever he wants. It's no big deal. Stephen used my old handle on a recent thread as well. I know you guys got scrappy at the start of the actors thread, but that happens all the time between posters . We usually move on from it within 24 hours. You guys are grown fellas, and can handle your own disputes, but when my name is being dropped into the middle of the sniping, I just got say let's chill out and move the fuck on. Onto the shit that actually matters, yes!lol! Oldman was in my top 10, and is maybe the most talented British actor ever. He may have misused his talent for large portions of his career and not done all he could with it, but saying he can't be ahead of PSH, Finney and especially Penn feels ridiculous to me. He could (And should) be ahead of any of them (especially Penn, who could even be considered a poor man's American Oldman in his youth). Frankly, Oldman is one of Washington's only contemporaries that I am not especially offended if people felt strongly enough to place him higher, because he's a monumental talent with a full career (on film anyway). None of these polls are that deep. Oldman always won polls for 'greatest actor to have never won an Oscar' for years and years on IMDB and everywhere else on the internet. That sense of underdog injustice enhanced his popularity on places like Oscar massively. He was a cause celebre, even to those who were not huge fans. You don't need a conspiracy to see why he placed so highly in the last poll. He was an unpopular win for many in the last Oscar race, has lost that underdog status and feelings are still conflicted. I would not be surprised if he bounced back close to his previous ranking after a bit of time has passed and the dust has settled. And morbid as it sounds, recent death has helped PSH a lot in maintaining his position with this crowd. Imagine how much he could potentially have dropped if he had a horror show decade like Penn. He can no longer hang around to disappoint people. And as much as I hate to say it, going forward Washington would probably stand a half decent chance of actually winning here if he was no longer among the living.Any slight resentment or animus towards his almost overwhelming GOAT status with general mainstream American audiences at the moment would probably be placated by nostalgia for his career if he was gone ( so he'd get more votes basically) Yeah honestly I don't care what he calls you - but dude owes me an apology, I corrected him as is my right. He pulled a troll move and without it, well he better get everything right, lol. He can PM me. That's it. My point was it's ridiculous to treat the poll results that seriously like the troll did when the IMDB days clearly had trolls like that too - take it in good fun that was my only point. Well not my only one but you know...........shrug I don't consider fiosnasiob a troll in the slightest. Cultured Frenchman as far as I know. I mean he called you out about going in on Washington during the last awards season, but frankly I've in essence said the same thing. It's just a viewpoint/opinion. He could have been more polite/diplomatic in his wording, but that's about it. Nobody can force anybody to apologise on the internet. If someone pisses you off that much, ignore them. Usually works for me. We can't all get along y'all! But that's my final say on that. Do your thing
|
|
|
Post by pacinoyes on Aug 13, 2018 0:45:42 GMT
I don't consider fiosnasiob a troll in the slightest. Cultured Frenchman as far as I know. I mean he called you out about going in on Washington during the last awards season, but frankly I've in essence said the same thing. It's just a viewpoint/opinion. He could have been more polite/diplomatic in his wording, but that's about it.
Post Options Post by pacinoyes on yesterday at 7:48am fiosnasiob Avatar Aug 10, 2018 at 12:00pm fiosnasiob said: I think Pacinoyes completely lost it since his amazing one man show during the last awards season, it was fun discussing with him about Denzel before but now it's bullsh/t after bullsh/t, not interesting anymore. ****************************************************************************************************************************************** I don't know what "amazing one man show" you're talking about in the 2016 Awards Season, but that was the season where I had to drop off for a long while for some serious health problems in my family - like literally months I was gone - so I don't know wtf you're on about pal. You can't mean the 2017 season because my posts weren't very many - by no means an "amazing one man show" on the actor race (do a search on my history if you like).But if you think now it's bullsh/t after bullsh/t, not interesting anymore - then a piece of good advice to yourself would be to avoid the thread or to avoid mentioning me at all by name - certainly NOT to call out my name unprovoked and misrepresent something like that like it's a fact - who do you see ever doing stuff like that on these boards ever - how is that not the old IMDB troll stuff? How is that healthy to the board? Seriously, wtf is wrong with you.................
|
|
urbanpatrician
Based
"I just wanna go back, back to 1999. back to hit me baby one more time" - Charli XCX
Posts: 4,715
Likes: 2,293
|
Post by urbanpatrician on Aug 13, 2018 1:00:53 GMT
Urbanpatrician's Sunday rant - I think it's really all about what clans are still here right now and what clans are the hottest/strongest at a given point.
Right now... there's more of a McDormand/Holly Hunter love. I think it partly has to do with the rise of "Fargo" the TV show. I can't explain this, but when I think Fargo I tend to think McDormand and Hunter. Not that the Coens cast Hunter in it (but they easily could have), or either was involved with the show. But I just think those 2 are the first on my mind when the Coens go through their casting drills. McDormand also won an Oscar lately and was the most appreciated of the 4 winners. On the inverse of that.......Julie Christie is not hip at this moment. I don't think Naomi Watts is either.... and I know she had a lot of fanboys in the mid-to-late 00s, but they're mostly gone now. Nicolas Cage seems to be hip at this moment, but one thing i noticed is that people who like Cage are the ones who can make Supporting Actor lineups of the 80s and 90s. Just find that interesting. Walken is a good comparison to Cage in that line.
There was a huge wave of Oldman fanboys back in the days, but I think his 90s stuff is starting to get lesser seen, and when people have only post-Nolan stuff to judge from (The Dark Knight, Tinker Tailor, Darkest Hour) they're probably clueless about him. Watching Leon and Harry Potter also doesn't exactly make you versed on the man.
I already mentioned that the old Oscar Buzz days of the Damehood are gone. Look how hard Maggie Smith bit it, from #7 to #45 is the biggest drop. But another wave that's all but disappeared is the "British romance" of the 90s. There were lots of British romance fangirls in 2007, some were even Knightley fans. But I'm more talking about Emily Watson, Winona Ryder, Emma Thompson, Miranda Richardson, and Helena Bonham Carter. All of them have furiously fallen off the map. Even Ralph Fiennes, who in my opinion is the face of those British romance period films of the 90s is not really talked about anymore.
It's interesting to me how Spacek seems to be the one that consistently ranks in the top 10. I don't have a problem with it, but it's curious to me how she manages to stand out. She's not a major "auteur" actress.... she worked with DePalma, Malick, and Altman but still.....she probably don't get the auteur cred that Rowlands or Ullmann gets. Or even Kidman or Huppert, so it's curious how people think she stands out against Lange, Sarandon, Weaver, and Close of that era. I always thought she could get mistaken for being part of that era and therefore strictly 80s. One thing I noticed is that if you have major auteur cred... you usually become a top 10 or 15 actor or actress. Look at Mifune. And Setsuko Hara seems to have caught on now, but I do see Ozu rising in the film world at this moment, so maybe not a huge surprise. Just saying....it's interesting Sissy can make it on a top ten without being majorly auteury or having a foreign goddess image, and without being a behemoth like Streep, Katharine, Bette, Vivien, or Blanchett. Speaking of auteur cred, that Olivier and Depardieu can make it without it gives me hope that people are more educated and follow educated culture more than I give them credit for.
I'm kind of surprised that Judi Dench is #26. I know she has a lot of nominees, but I always get the impression that she's the type that's easily forgettable after her strongest point. ('97-'06) I also see people diss her a lot and it's not like we're at the "cool to like British actresses" period and if she has fans here, they must be silent as hell. But even if they are silent, I never thought she would be the type that would attract silent majorities. I think silent majorities are ones who vote people like Henry Fonda, Mifune, Grant and the likes.
|
|
|
Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Aug 13, 2018 1:15:55 GMT
y'all got the #1 boy right the first time. Not that I think Newman is the greatest, but he's better than Pacino.
|
|
|
Post by pacinoyes on Aug 13, 2018 1:50:47 GMT
y'all got the #1 boy right the first time. Not that I think Newman is the greatest, but he's better than Pacino. I think Newman was a surprising drop from the first time and he would win a lot of these polls - Newman and Lemmon are insanely likable actors, they're actors no one has to justify liking either, they will always do well regardless of where the poll is. Pacino isn't that likable, he's weird too, but he has different skills that enable him to win a lot too (and I'm leaving out his TV and stage stuff here). Not advocating for one over the other here but there's a logic to picking Pacino over anybody (he was 3rd on my list).........if you're so inclined and how you foster the argument: 2 Shakespearean films and a classical piece by Oscar Wilde (0 such stretching for Newman)...................Played outside his ethnicity (never such stretching for Newman)...............Pacino played villains fairly often - almost never for Newman (although one of his best Hud is one).........now some may say "So what?" but it's a pattern of thinking that people could follow to reach a conclusion. The real argument isn't Pacino or Newman though it's actually more like Newman vs. himself - someone that good looking, appealing and charming, how much could he "skate" through roles? - I can't be the only one that thought he got better when his looks started to fade (relatively speaking).
|
|
|
Post by Mattsby on Aug 13, 2018 2:07:51 GMT
how much could he "skate" through roles? Totally skated thru Slap Shot...... Pacino wanted that role badly btw, right? He's expressed some real regret over not being able to do it - and imagine if he did that instead of Bobby Deerfield !
|
|