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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2018 0:08:02 GMT
MALEPhilip Seymour Hoffman Robin Williams Nicolas Cage Morgan Freeman Michael Caine FEMALENaomi Watts Kvetch!!!  
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Post by Viced on Aug 11, 2018 1:01:36 GMT
You have horrific taste for disliking those people.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2018 1:17:31 GMT
MALEPhilip Seymour Hoffman Robin Williams Nicolas Cage FEMALENaomi Watts Seems like I have no choice but to pray for your soul tonight - unless Satan already has it, that is. |
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Post by countjohn on Aug 12, 2018 3:17:28 GMT
I wouldn't say I dislike anyone on the lists, but I'll list the worst choices, all of whom I think are just okay.
Gosling and Cage are the real headscratchers for me on the male list. Both of them are just okay at their best, IMO, except for when Cage gets to let it all hang out and be cheesy. I'm not surprised Clift made it, even though I'm not a big fan, I think he was good in 2 or 3 things (mainly in supporting roles) and okay in everything else. But he's in the top 20, just ahead of Charlie Chaplin and Laurence frickin' Olivier. I'd also say Cary Grant was a great star, but I don't think he belongs on a list for "greatest actors".
The actress list was better, you could quibble about placing, but for the most part the right people were on there. The one I might say is Elizabeth Taylor. It's a similar situation to Clift, I'm not surprised she made it, but aside from Virginia Woolf I've always found her just okay in everything. I could understand if she was at the tail end of the list, but top 20 seems way too high.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2018 14:10:45 GMT
I wouldn't say I dislike anyone on the lists, but I'll list the worst choices, all of whom I think are just okay. Gosling and Cage are the real headscratchers for me on the male list. Both of them are just okay at their best, IMO, except for when Cage gets to let it all hang out and be cheesy. I'm not surprised Clift made it, even though I'm not a big fan, I think he was good in 2 or 3 things (mainly in supporting roles) and okay in everything else. But he's in the top 20, just ahead of Charlie Chaplin and Laurence frickin' Olivier. I'd also say Cary Grant was a great star, but I don't think he belongs on a list for "greatest actors". The actress list was better, you could quibble about placing, but for the most part the right people were on there. The one I might say is Elizabeth Taylor. It's a similar situation to Clift, I'm not surprised she made it, but aside from Virginia Woolf I've always found her just okay in everything. I could understand if she was at the tail end of the list, but top 20 seems way too high. Thank you for engaging in a meaningful, substantive way. |
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Aug 12, 2018 14:54:26 GMT
I wouldn't say I dislike anyone on the lists, but I'll list the worst choices, all of whom I think are just okay. Gosling and Cage are the real headscratchers for me on the male list. Both of them are just okay at their best, IMO, except for when Cage gets to let it all hang out and be cheesy. I'm not surprised Clift made it, even though I'm not a big fan, I think he was good in 2 or 3 things (mainly in supporting roles) and okay in everything else. But he's in the top 20, just ahead of Charlie Chaplin and Laurence frickin' Olivier. I'd also say Cary Grant was a great star, but I don't think he belongs on a list for "greatest actors". The actress list was better, you could quibble about placing, but for the most part the right people were on there. The one I might say is Elizabeth Taylor. It's a similar situation to Clift, I'm not surprised she made it, but aside from Virginia Woolf I've always found her just okay in everything. I could understand if she was at the tail end of the list, but top 20 seems way too high. Cage was Top 10 - 15 for about the first 3rd of the voting, then he started a slow slide down the list. I think he peaked around the Top 5 at one stage. Gosling on the other hand was nowhere for a long time and then towards the latter end of the voting starting his climb up. |
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 12, 2018 18:22:58 GMT
I wouldn't say I dislike anyone on the lists, but I'll list the worst choices, all of whom I think are just okay. Gosling and Cage are the real headscratchers for me on the male list. Both of them are just okay at their best, IMO, except for when Cage gets to let it all hang out and be cheesy. I'm not surprised Clift made it, even though I'm not a big fan, I think he was good in 2 or 3 things (mainly in supporting roles) and okay in everything else. But he's in the top 20, just ahead of Charlie Chaplin and Laurence frickin' Olivier. I'd also say Cary Grant was a great star, but I don't think he belongs on a list for "greatest actors". The actress list was better, you could quibble about placing, but for the most part the right people were on there. The one I might say is Elizabeth Taylor. It's a similar situation to Clift, I'm not surprised she made it, but aside from Virginia Woolf I've always found her just okay in everything. I could understand if she was at the tail end of the list, but top 20 seems way too high. This is a good post though I do have to say the nature of the poll itself, its structure and what we remember about actors comes into play too. For example, about halfway through my list acting talent went out the window and then it was all my other criteria jumbled up (importance of actor and films, uniqueness/singularity, personal "likability" to me) - at a certain level someone like Cage sticks out to a certain viewer and I think it proves a general myth about acting - that consistency in performance or in filmography doesn't matter all that much (relatively speaking, to some it does of course). There is almost no one who you could say Cage is "like" - he's his own beast - and the ones you could say that he is like either finished high in this and every other poll or they have a huge cult following that is passionate even if they didn't make it here (Kinski, Walken). I don't know if Cage is say more talented than Hanks - same generation - but on some level I first think to myself Hanks = boring, Cage = weird............and "boring" is the unforgivable sin when talking acting. That's not "it" of course, but if I'm being honest that's the initial, subconscious reaction. |
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Aug 12, 2018 18:37:48 GMT
yeah I don't care for Cage's inclusion myself. Next to a handful of projects where directors knew how to utilize his weirdness effectively, there's a bunch more where he's just incredibly off-putting. Do his entertaining turns in weird, self-aware projects like Adaptation, Wild at Heart, and Raising Arizona combined with his more "serious work" in movies like Joe (still haven't seen it) and Leaving Las Vegas qualify him to be on a list of the 50 greatest actors of all time above the likes of Peter Ustinov, John Hurt, Richard Attenborough, and Jeremy Irons? I sure don't think so.  Ryan Gosling had no business being there either. He's had a handful of strong performances ( Blue Valentine, Half Nelson) and a few decent ones ( La La Land, Lars and the Real Girl, Blade Runner), and then a couple that are bad but get a pass because they're loud and allegedly funny ( Nice Guys, Big Short). He's definitely overrated in these parts and quite easily the least deserving inclusion on that list. I can at least see how someone like Cage with his larger-than-life acting and cult appeal could slip in, but I'll never understand why this board fawns over Gosling so much. As for other folks on the list, I don't care much for Fonda, Grant, DiCaprio, or Lemmon. Otherwise it was a pretty good lineup, but the women were better. |
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Post by Sharbs on Aug 12, 2018 19:01:21 GMT
There are only a dozen or two actors I "actively dislike" period and none here are even close to that
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Aug 12, 2018 19:23:07 GMT
I mean Cage and to a lesser extent Williams I can see the hate for...
But how can anyone hate PSH?!
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Aug 12, 2018 19:36:00 GMT
The closest I could really come with anyone on the list is just not being overly fond of some of them...
Glenn Close
Edward Norton
Leonardo DiCaprio
Robin Williams
Charlie Chaplin
Still though, they all have at least one performance I love, its just that overall I'm pretty meh on them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 0:15:18 GMT
But how can anyone hate PSH?! His acting style was so overstated IMO - red-faced, screaming - Doubt in particular is such a misjudged performance. Why that pitched to the rafters hamminess when the title is "Doubt"? My favorite performances of his ( Capote, The Master) were lovely - nuanced, quiet. Just my opinion.  |
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Aug 13, 2018 0:19:54 GMT
But how can anyone hate PSH?! His acting style was so overstated IMO - red-faced, screaming - Doubt in particular is such a misjudged performance. Why that pitched to the rafters hamminess when the title is "Doubt"? My favorite performances of his ( Capote, The Master) were lovely - nuanced, quiet. Just my opinion. Well I thought he was much better than Streep was in Doubt. It's definitely not my favorite performance of his, but then again, the whole movie is seriously overrated (and it got like 5 major noms). |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 0:22:19 GMT
His acting style was so overstated IMO - red-faced, screaming - Doubt in particular is such a misjudged performance. Why that pitched to the rafters hamminess when the title is "Doubt"? My favorite performances of his ( Capote, The Master) were lovely - nuanced, quiet. Just my opinion. Well I thought he was much better than Streep was in Doubt. It's definitely not my favorite performance of his, but then again, the whole movie is seriously overrated (and it got like 5 major noms). It's not just about Doubt (though that's probably the epitome of why I don't like him)... I really don't care for most of his work. |
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Post by eyebrowmorroco on Sept 10, 2018 4:28:38 GMT
Blanchett
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