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Post by stephen on Aug 9, 2018 0:20:35 GMT
Have at it, scrudpup. 1987:1. Albert Brooks 2. Denzel Washington 3. Morgan Freeman 4. Sean Connery 5. Vincent Gardenia 1989:1. Martin Landau 2. Danny Aiello 3. Denzel Washington 4. Marlon Brando 5. Dan Aykroyd 1992:1. Robert Downey, Jr. 2. Clint Eastwood 3. Denzel Washington 4. Stephen Rea 5. Al Pacino 1999:1. Richard Farnsworth 2. Russell Crowe 3. Kevin Spacey 4. Denzel Washington 5. Sean Penn 2001:1. Russell Crowe 2. Denzel Washington 3. Tom Wilkinson 4. Will Smith 5. Sean Penn 2012:1. Joaquin Phoenix 2. Daniel Day-Lewis 3. Denzel Washington 4. Bradley Cooper 5. Hugh Jackman 2016:1. Denzel Washington 2. Andrew Garfield 3. Viggo Mortensen 4. Ryan Gosling 5. Casey Affleck 2017:1. Daniel Day-Lewis 2. Daniel Kaluuya 3. Denzel Washington 4. Timothée Chalamet 5. Gary Oldman
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 9, 2018 0:31:56 GMT
1987: 4th behind Brooks and Freeman and Connery
1989: 3rd behind Landau and Aiello (both arguably category fraud though)
1992: 1st
1999: 5th
2001: 2nd behind Wilkinson
2012: 2nd or 3rd behind Phoenix and sorta close to even with DDL (this is a tough year, he's extraordinary for most of it but his film ends awfully - Robert Zemeckis hack BS and takes him down with it)
2016: 2nd to Affleck
2017: 4th behind DDL, Oldman, Chalamet
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 9, 2018 1:04:34 GMT
1987
1 Denzel Washington 2 Albert Brooks 3 Morgan Freeman 4 Sean Connery 5 Vincent Gardenia
1989
1 Danny Aiello 2 Denzel Washington 3 Martin Landau 4 Marlon Brando 5 Dan Ackroyd
1992
1 Denzel Washington 2 Robert Downey Jr 3 Al Pacino 4 Clint Eastwood 5 Stephen Rea
1999
1 Russell Crowe 2 Denzel Washington 3 Richard Farnsworth 4 Kevin Spacey 5 Sean Penn
2001
1 Denzel Washington 2 Russell Crowe 3 Tom Wilkinson 4 Will Smith 5 Sean Penn
2012
1 Joaquin Phoenix 2 Denzel Washington 3 Daniel Day-Lewis 4 Bradley Cooper 5 Hugh Jackman
2016
1 Denzel Washington 2 Viggo Mortensen 3 Andrew Garfield 4 Casey Affleck 5 Ryan Gosling
2017
1 Denzel Washington 2 Daniel Day-Lewis 3 Gary Oldman 4 Daniel Kayluua 5 Timothee Chalamet
Even though he was relegated to 'filler' or 4th/5th spot in 2012 and 2017 due to underperformance of the film or in precursors, I'm of the opinion that the Academy only nominate Washington for performances strong enough to win (regardless of the film itself). Otherwise, he'd already have broken Nicholson's record by now with a bunch of worthy filler nods, that didn't quite have the juice of a winner (ie American Gangster or Devil In A Blue Dress). If Roman J Israel Esq is an 80 metacritic film, he can win for it (or at least compete for the win). As it was, I thought it was the best performance in the field (Joe Carnahan style), but I've gotten more fond of DDL in Phantom Thread over the months, so he'd be my runner-up now. Got no issue with an overdue Oldman win though.
I think his Glory win is deserving enough, but I marginally preferred Aiello. Crowe should have won in 1999 for his best performance. Phoenix had his defining moment in 2012 and would have deserved it.
I believe it was Edward Norton who once gave an interview saying he felt both Washington and Philip Seymour Hoffman should win an Oscar every year. I believe he was engaging in mild hyperbole, but what he most likely meant is that PSH and Washington would be deserving winners every time they got nominated (and maybe a few times when they didn't get nominated). But you gotta spread the wealth.
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Post by cheesecake on Aug 11, 2018 1:20:19 GMT
1987: 1. Albert Brooks 2. Denzel Washington 3. Morgan Freeman 4. Sean Connery 5. Vincent Gardenia
1989: 1. Danny Aiello 2. Martin Landau 3. Denzel Washington 4. Marlon Brando 5. Dan Aykroyd
1992: 1. Clint Eastwood 2. Robert Downey, Jr. 3. Denzel Washington 4. Stephen Rea 5. Al Pacino
1999: 1. Richard Farnsworth 2. Russell Crowe 3. Denzel Washington 4. Sean Penn 5. Kevin Spacey
2001: 1. Tom Wilkinson 2. Russell Crowe 3. Denzel Washington 4. Will Smith 5. Sean Penn
2012: 1. Joaquin Phoenix 2. Daniel Day-Lewis 3. Bradley Cooper 4. Denzel Washington 5. Hugh Jackman
2016: 1. Viggo Mortensen 2. Denzel Washington 3. Andrew Garfield 4. Ryan Gosling 5. Casey Affleck
2017: 1. Daniel Day-Lewis 2. Denzel Washington 3. Daniel Kaluuya 4. Timothée Chalamet 5. Gary Oldman
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Post by wallsofjericho on Aug 11, 2018 1:23:03 GMT
1987 1 Denzel Washington 2 Albert Brooks 3 Morgan Freeman 4 Sean Connery 5 Vincent Gardenia 1989 1 Danny Aiello 2 Denzel Washington 3 Martin Landau 4 Marlon Brando 5 Dan Ackroyd 1992 1 Denzel Washington 2 Robert Downey Jr 3 Al Pacino 4 Clint Eastwood 5 Stephen Rea 1999 1 Russell Crowe 2 Denzel Washington 3 Richard Farnsworth 4 Kevin Spacey 5 Sean Penn 2001 1 Denzel Washington 2 Russell Crowe 3 Tom Wilkinson 4 Will Smith 5 Sean Penn 2012 1 Joaquin Phoenix 2 Denzel Washington 3 Daniel Day-Lewis 4 Bradley Cooper 5 Hugh Jackman 2016 1 Denzel Washington 2 Viggo Mortensen 3 Andrew Garfield 4 Casey Affleck 5 Ryan Gosling 2017 1 Denzel Washington 2 Daniel Day-Lewis 3 Gary Oldman 4 Daniel Kayluua 5 Timothee Chalamet Even though he was relegated to 'filler' or 4th/5th spot in 2012 and 2017 due to underperformance of the film or in precursors, I'm of the opinion that the Academy only nominate Washington for performances strong enough to win (regardless of the film itself). Otherwise, he'd already have broken Nicholson's record by now with a bunch of worthy filler nods, that didn't quite have the juice of a winner (ie American Gangster or Devil In A Blue Dress). If Roman J Israel Esq is an 80 metacritic film, he can win for it (or at least compete for the win). As it was, I thought it was the best performance in the field (Joe Carnahan style), but I've gotten more fond of DDL in Phantom Thread over the months, so he'd be my runner-up now. Got no issue with an overdue Oldman win though. I think his Glory win is deserving enough, but I marginally preferred Aiello. Crowe should have won in 1999 for his best performance. Phoenix had his defining moment in 2012 and would have deserved it. I believe it was Edward Norton who once gave an interview saying he felt both Washington and Philip Seymour Hoffman should win an Oscar every year. I believe he was engaging in mild hyperbole, but what he most likely meant is that PSH and Washington would be deserving winners every time they got nominated (and maybe a few times when they didn't get nominated). But you gotta spread the wealth. I love that you have Chalamet last 😍
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Post by Martin Stett on Aug 11, 2018 4:17:27 GMT
1987: 1. Albert Brooks 2. Denzel Washington 3. Sean Connery N/S: Gardenia* I saw the movie when I was younger, can't remember anything about it, really. Freeman
1989: 1. Martin Landau 2. Denzel Washington 3. Danny Aiello 4. Dan Aykroyd N/S: Brando
1992: 1. Clint Eastwood 2. Stephen Rea 3. Al Pacino N/S: Downey, Washington
1999: 1. Richard Farnsworth 2. Russell Crowe 3. Kevin Spacey 4. Denzel Washington N/S: Penn
2001: 1. Tom Wilkinson 2. Russell Crowe 3. Denzel Washington 4. Sean Penn (am I the only guy that liked this performance?) N/S: Smith
2012: 1. DDL 2. Bradley Cooper 3. Denzel Washington 4. Joaquin Phoenix 5. Hugh Jackman
2016: 1. Denzel Washington 2. Viggo Mortensen 3. Andrew Garfield 4. Ryan Gosling 5. Casey Affleck
2017: 1. DDL 2. Gary Oldman 3. Daniel Kaluuya 4. Denzel Washington N/S: Chalamet
1987 is a good performance in a decent movie, but it had no place besting Brooks.
1989 was the year of Landau and nobody had any business beating him. Denzel's performance is solid enough, but not even the best of the ensemble (I thought Broderick and Freeman were the people who should have been honored). I guess that single tear scene made the Oscar voters cream their pants.
Haven't seen 1992, so let's move on.
1989 is another solid, dependable, unremarkable Denzel perf. Unfortunately for him, it is the year of Farnsworth and Crowe, both of which would have been fantastic winners. Spacey isn't too far behind (best thing about the movie). Washington limps behind simply because it's perfectly acceptable work, just like '89 and '87.
2001 is not unremarkable. Quite the opposite; it makes one sit up and take notice. Unfortunately, Wilkinson is gangbusters and nobody has any right taking him down.
2012 is a another very good performance, but DDL was a titan and Cooper stepped up for a very entertaining performance that I incline to like better. Washington is hampered by his script, is his biggest problem.
2016 was a year of unremarkable, solid enough nominees, and Washington is the only one who stepped up from the crowd. He was electric (and needed to be, as the movie around him was pretty lifeless), making every line, every scene he was in stand up and catch fire. It has a fury to it that is lacking in most of Washington's career.
2017. What the HELL WERE YOU THINKING, DENZ?
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Aug 11, 2018 4:55:44 GMT
1987: 1. Morgan Freeman, Street Smart 2. Albert Brooks, Broadcast News 3. Denzel Washington, Cry Freedom 4. Sean Connery, The Untouchables 5. Vincent Gardenia, Moonstruck
1989: 1. Danny Aiello, Do the Right Thing 2. Martin Landau, Crimes and Misdemeanors 3. Denzel Washington, Glory 4. Marlon Brando, A Dry White Season 5. Dan Aykroyd, Driving Miss Daisy
1992: 1. Robert Downey Jr., Chaplin 2. Denzel Washington, Malcolm X 3. Clint Eastwood, Unforgiven 4. Al Pacino, Scent of a Woman 5. Stephen Rea, The Crying Game
1999: 1. Richard Farnsworth, The Straight Story 2. Kevin Spacey, American Beauty 3. Russell Crowe, The Insider 4. Denzel Washington, The Hurricane 5. Sean Penn, Sweet and Lowdown
2001: 1. Tom Wilkinson, In the Bedroom 2. Denzel Washington, Training Day 3. Russell Crowe, A Beautiful Mind 4. Will Smith, Ali 5. Sean Penn, I Am Sam
2012: 1. Joaquin Phoenix, The Master 2. Daniel Day-Lewis, Lincoln 3. Bradley Cooper, Silver Linings Playbook 4. Denzel Washington, Flight 5. Hugh Jackman, Les Misérables
2016: 1. Casey Affleck, Manchester by the Sea 2. Viggo Mortensen, Captain Fantastic 3. Denzel Washington, Fences 4. Andrew Garfield, Hacksaw Ridge 5. Ryan Gosling, La La Land
2017: 1. Daniel Day-Lewis, Phantom Thread 2. Timothée Chalamet, Call Me by Your Name 3. Daniel Kaluuya, Get Out 4. Gary Oldman, Darkest Hour 5. Denzel Washington, Roman J. Israel, Esq.
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 11, 2018 7:24:58 GMT
1987: 1. Albert Brooks 2. Denzel Washington 3. Sean Connery N/S: Gardenia* I saw the movie when I was younger, can't remember anything about it, really. Freeman 1989: 1. Martin Landau 2. Denzel Washington 3. Danny Aiello 4. Dan Aykroyd N/S: Brando 1992: 1. Clint Eastwood 2. Stephen Rea 3. Al Pacino N/S: Downey, Washington 1999: 1. Richard Farnsworth 2. Russell Crowe 3. Kevin Spacey 4. Denzel Washington N/S: Penn 2001: 1. Tom Wilkinson 2. Russell Crowe 3. Denzel Washington 4. Sean Penn (am I the only guy that liked this performance?) N/S: Smith 2012: 1. DDL 2. Bradley Cooper 3. Denzel Washington 4. Joaquin Phoenix 5. Hugh Jackman 2016: 1. Denzel Washington 2. Viggo Mortensen 3. Andrew Garfield 4. Ryan Gosling 5. Casey Affleck 2017: 1. DDL 2. Gary Oldman 3. Daniel Kaluuya 4. Denzel Washington N/S: Chalamet 1987 is a good performance in a decent movie, but it had no place besting Brooks. 1989 was the year of Landau and nobody had any business beating him. Denzel's performance is solid enough, but not even the best of the ensemble (I thought Broderick and Freeman were the people who should have been honored). I guess that single tear scene made the Oscar voters cream their pants. Haven't seen 1992, so let's move on. 1989 is another solid, dependable, unremarkable Denzel perf. Unfortunately for him, it is the year of Farnsworth and Crowe, both of which would have been fantastic winners. Spacey isn't too far behind (best thing about the movie). Washington limps behind simply because it's perfectly acceptable work, just like '89 and '87. 2001 is not unremarkable. Quite the opposite; it makes one sit up and take notice. Unfortunately, Wilkinson is gangbusters and nobody has any right taking him down. 2012 is a another very good performance, but DDL was a titan and Cooper stepped up for a very entertaining performance that I incline to like better. Washington is hampered by his script, is his biggest problem. 2016 was a year of unremarkable, solid enough nominees, and Washington is the only one who stepped up from the crowd. He was electric (and needed to be, as the movie around him was pretty lifeless), making every line, every scene he was in stand up and catch fire. It has a fury to it that is lacking in most of Washington's career. 2017. What the HELL WERE YOU THINKING, DENZ? You haven't even seen Malcolm X!?! Jesus.That's an... interesting admission. Brave as well.I actually wouldn't feel comfortable commenting on any major actors career or abilities if I'd never bothered to watch what was widely considered their greatest recorded achievement. You lose so much context.I can talk about DeNiro and Peter O'Toole all day, but I can't talk about them with any sort of truth if I hadn't seen Raging Bull or Lawrence Of Arabia. Those single performances inform and give context to everything else they did. I think in 2017, Washington was probably thinking it's time to put all these bullshit arguments about 'range' and 'transformation' to bed, and he did it spectacularly. What better way to do it than to play an autistic dork in way that makes Dustin Hoffman in Rain Man look like a cartoon character.It's an incredibly beautifully rendered character, and gave an autistic character a depth, respect and dimension often lacking in the hands of non-autistic actors. The kind that unfortunately gave way to those sadly accurate jokes and parodies in Tropic Thunder (Simple Jack!) He didn't let the tics substitute for the character, and that's rare. I'm actually pissed critics hamstrung that movie with negative reviews, because I think he could easily have won the Oscar with that peformance otherwise. Especially coming so soon after his Fences loss.
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Post by Martin Stett on Aug 11, 2018 13:28:33 GMT
You haven't even seen Malcolm X!?! Jesus.That's an... interesting admission. Brave as well.I actually wouldn't feel comfortable commenting on any major actors career or abilities if I'd never bothered to watch what was widely considered their greatest recorded achievement. You lose so much context.I can talk about DeNiro and Peter O'Toole all day, but I can't talk about them with any sort of truth if I hadn't seen Raging Bull or Lawrence Of Arabia. Those single performances inform and give context to everything else they did. Just haven't gotten around to it. Not that I'm avoiding it or anything, but there are classics I've yet to see. I'm still missing A Clockwork Orange, everything from Bela Tarr or Sion Sono, everything PTA pre-TWBB, Ran, Mulholland Drive, Cries and Whispers, many silent classics...
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Post by speeders on Aug 15, 2018 22:27:16 GMT
1987 Sean Connery, The Untouchables Albert Brooks, Broadcast News
N/S Denzel Washington, Cry Freedom Morgan Freeman, Street Smart Vincent Gardenia, Moonstruck
1989 Danny Aiello, Do the Right Thing Martin Landau, Crimes and Misdemeanors Dan Aykroyd, Driving Miss Daisy
N/S Denzel Washington, Glory Marlon Brando, A Dry White Season
1992 Clint Eastwood, Unforgiven Stephen Rea, The Crying Game
N/S Robert Downey Jr., Chaplin Denzel Washington, Malcolm X Al Pacino, Scent of a Woman
1999 Kevin Spacey, American Beauty
N/S Richard Farnsworth, The Straight Story Russell Crowe, The Insider Denzel Washington, The Hurricane Sean Penn, Sweet and Lowdown
2001 Denzel Washington, Training Day Russell Crowe, A Beautiful Mind Sean Penn, I Am Sam
N/S Will Smith, Ali Tom Wilkinson, In the Bedroom
2012 Bradley Cooper, Silver Linings Playbook Joaquin Phoenix, The Master Daniel Day-Lewis, Lincoln Denzel Washington, Flight Hugh Jackman, Les Misérables
2016 Casey Affleck, Manchester by the Sea Viggo Mortensen, Captain Fantastic Ryan Gosling, La La Land Andrew Garfield, Hacksaw Ridge
N/S Denzel Washington, Fences
2017 Timothée Chalamet, Call Me by Your Name Daniel Kaluuya, Get Out Daniel Day-Lewis, Phantom Thread Gary Oldman, Darkest Hour Denzel Washington, Roman J. Israel, Esq.
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Post by bob-coppola on Aug 16, 2018 13:49:17 GMT
1987: 1. Albert Brooks, Broadcast News 2. Morgan Freeman, Street Smart 3. Denzel Washington, Cry Freedom 4. Sean Connery, The Untouchables 5. Vincent Gardenia, Moonstruck
1989: Only seen Do The Righr Thing and Crimes and Misdemeanors
1992: 1. Denzel Washington, Malcolm X 2. Robert Downey Jr., Chaplin 3. Clint Eastwood, Unforgiven 4. Al Pacino, Scent of a Woman 5. Stephen Rea, The Crying Game
1999: 1. Kevin Spacey, American Beauty 2. Richard Farnsworth, The Straight Story 3. Russell Crowe, The Insider 4. Denzel Washington, The Hurricane 5. Sean Penn, Sweet and Lowdown
2001: 1. Denzel Washington, Training Day 2. Russell Crowe, A Beautiful Mind 3. Sean Penn, I Am Sam 4. Tom Wilkinson, In the Bedroom 5. Will Smith, Ali
2012: 1. Joaquin Phoenix, The Master 2. Bradley Cooper, Silver Linings Playbook 3. Daniel Day-Lewis, Lincoln 4. Denzel Washington, Flight 5. Hugh Jackman, Les Misérables
2016: 1. Casey Affleck, Manchester by the Sea 2. Viggo Mortensen, Captain Fantastic 3. Denzel Washington, Fences 4. Ryan Gosling, La La Land 5. Andrew Garfield, Hacksaw Ridge
2017: 1. Timothée Chalamet, Call Me by Your Name 2. Daniel Day-Lewis, Phantom Thread 3. Gary Oldman, Darkest Hour 4. Denzel Washington, Roman J. Israel, Esq. 5. Daniel Kaluuya, Get Out
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