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Post by finniussnrub on Aug 4, 2018 22:16:14 GMT
As often is the case with such rankings I feel the nadirs are ignored in favor of the apexes, and consistency is not valued nearly enough.
Great job with the presentation nonetheless.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Aug 4, 2018 22:16:29 GMT
I've only just clocked that Charlize was snubbed  . She tied with Jennifer Lawrence at 67th place.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Aug 4, 2018 22:18:37 GMT
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Aug 4, 2018 22:19:56 GMT
Thanks Johnny - Great job! Jeanne Moreau and Deneuve missed? Burstyn, Woodward and Page missed? Moreau 79 Burstyn 54 Woodward 127 Page 61 Deneuve was on the list at 36
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Aug 4, 2018 22:21:22 GMT
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Aug 4, 2018 22:23:31 GMT
THAT low ? ! ?
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Post by idioticbunny on Aug 4, 2018 22:24:57 GMT
As much as Streep at #1 is a laugh, I was happy with this list the second I saw Lillian Gish in the top 40. So, so happy to see she made it.
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Post by fiosnasiob on Aug 4, 2018 22:25:30 GMT
Thanks Johnny for the hard work.
What about Giulietta Masina ranking ?
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Aug 4, 2018 22:28:18 GMT
Your Top 50 Actresses
01 Meryl Streep 02 Ingrid Bergman 03 Isabelle Huppert 04 Bette Davis XX Katharine Hepburn 06 Cate Blanchett 07 Liv Ullmann 08 Nicole Kidman 09 Sissy Spacek 10 Frances McDormand 11 Vivien Leigh 12 Julianne Moore 13 Faye Dunaway 14 Holly Hunter 15 Kate Winslet 16 Jane Fonda 17 Elizabeth Taylor XX Gena Rowlands 19 Deborah Kerr 20 Audrey Hepburn 21 Juliette Binoche 22 Barbara Stanwyck 23 Isabelle Adjani XX Michelle Pfeiffer 25 Jodie Foster 26 Judi Dench 27 Diane Keaton 28 Tilda Swinton 29 Marion Cotillard 30 Helen Mirren 31 Olivia De Havilland XX Sigourney Weaver 33 Naomi Watts 34 Greta Garbo 35 Jessica Lange 36 Catherine Deneuve 37 Glenn Close 38 Gong Li 39 Lillian Gish 40 Natalie Wood 41 Laura Dern 42 Joan Fontaine 43 Anna Magnani XX Setsuko Hara 45 Maggie Smith 46 Anne Bancroft XX Susan Sarandon 48 Harriet Andersson 49 Annette Bening 50 Vanessa Redgrave
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Aug 4, 2018 22:31:04 GMT
Thanks Johnny for the hard work. What about Giulietta Masina ranking ? Tied 58th with Anna Karina
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Aug 4, 2018 22:36:40 GMT
Out of interest, it was well into the mid 20s in terms of ballots received before Streep ever took the lead. It actual took her a fair while to solidify her place in the Top 3.
The early lead was held by Huppert, then Spacek for a while and then Huppert for ages. Bergman took the lead next, and Streep soon after, and they went back and forth a few times switching the lead. Streep briefly dropped to third again, but she climbed back up to the lead and started to amass a gap in the real late stages.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Aug 4, 2018 23:03:54 GMT
So happy that Streep was #1. Despite all her Oscar love, she is indeed a great actress, and one of the best.
Great job Johnny. Terrifically done list. Looking forward to the actors one.
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Post by quetee on Aug 4, 2018 23:27:51 GMT
Good job presentation wise.
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 4, 2018 23:39:20 GMT
Both Kidman and Blanchett's top 10 placements are impressive, considering neither of them are anywhere near done and have relative youth on their side. When all is said and done, they will be the ones most capable of challenging Streep for the top spot one of these days.
I'm surprised some seemingly popular contemporaries of theirs like Amy Adams and Charlize Theron did not crack the top 50, yet Naomi Watts did. I respect Watts and I know people love her work in Mullholand Drive, but Watts in the top 50 feels a bit generous when one thinks of who missed out. If we are only even talking about Australians, I'd argue that not only is Watts behind Kidman and Blanchett, but Judy Davis and probably Toni Collette as well.
McDormand is way too high (but 2nd Oscar recency bias helps), as is Liz Taylor. And Natalie Wood has no business in the top 50 at all.
Glad Laura Dern got in there, as she was in my top 25. She's quietly managed to become one of the most accomplished film and T.V. actresses of her era, without the attendant fuss or attention of many of her contemporaries.
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 5, 2018 0:11:15 GMT
And Natalie Wood has no business in the top 50 at all. As someone who voted for Wood (and didn't vote for Kidman - but I like her too) I'd say that there's a whole set of things in a poll like this that makes Wood stand out aside from her talent. First of all, she's insanely likable and in a way that's even outside of her considerable sex appeal too. I mean she really defines a kind of American-ness and her filmography is stacked with classics - Rebel Without A Cause, Splendor In The Grass, The Searchers, West Side Story. But the big things she has is emerging in the late 50s as an adult - I can't stress how important her time was - that actually is the era of the American actress prior to that females were stars and men were actors - I'm being general here of course - Hepburn and Davis were actors of course, but for the most part how you looked mattered first for females. For Hollywood however Page, Woodward, Wood signaled a change in that and so did Lee Remick and Piper Laurie. That is really the era of the "first wave" of American actresses and Wood is crucially important just for that alone - I mean there was no one quite like her before her too.......maybe not a top 50 actress on talent alone.......... but off the charts for likability and quite high for importance and uniqueness too. I know the poll is "best" but I can't be the only one who voted favorites at a certain point as Johnny said in the first page. I think in Hollywood history you couldn't find an actress as appealing as her across both genders really. I find her quite timeless tbh.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Aug 5, 2018 0:15:08 GMT
McDormand is way too high (but 2nd Oscar recency bias helps), as is Liz Taylor. And Natalie Wood has no business in the top 50 at all. I agree with pacinoyes. How can you say that Wood doesn't deserve a top 50 placement when she is basically the face of 60s America? And... she has many classics where she was the star in show. Not saying obvious classics like West Side Story or Rebel Without a Cause where was just one piece of the ensemble, but the ones fewer people have seen. I think she has suffered a bit from people not having seen enough of her films. I don't agree with Taylor being #17.... but I think she definitely deserves top 50.
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 5, 2018 0:24:53 GMT
What does being the 'face of 50's/60's' America have to do with anything?
I was voting on perceived talent/ability, not iconic status or cultural standing of her movies. I mean I didn't vote for Marilyn Monroe or Liz Taylor because they were considered faces of their era as well. I don"t think Wood is anything to write home about in Rebel Without A Cause, she's completely miscast in Westside Story (Wood as a Hollywood Latina....seriously).
Yeah she's a beautiful movie star and was in a lot of important movies. But for me, she was basically a so-so actress, and that was my central criteria. I've seen enough of her films. Just never been impressed by her talent. I feel like she's replaceable in most things she did. An actress contemporary of Wood like Jean Simmons (whom I did vote for), wipes her off the planet skill-wise, imho.
But if you are a fan, don't let my opinion worry you. We all have diverging tastes in some things.
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 5, 2018 0:44:12 GMT
What does being the 'face of 50's/60's' America have to do with anything? I was voting on perceived talent/ability, not iconic status or cultural standing of her movies. I mean I didn't vote for Marilyn Monroe or Liz Taylor because they were considered faces of their era as well. I don"t think Wood is anything to write home about in Rebel Without A Cause, she's completely miscast in Westside Story (Wood as a Hollywood Latina....seriously). Yeah she's a beautiful movie star and was in a lot of important movies. But for me, she was basically a so-so actress, and that was my central criteria. An actress contemporary of Wood like Jean Simmons (whom I did vote for), wipes her off the planet skill-wise. Ok well... I'm just asking have you seen Inside Daisy Clover, Love With a Proper Stranger, and This Property is Condemned. These are what I'm more thinking of when I think Wood. Most people think Rebel Without a Cause or West Side Story or The Searchers and that's where I think they're wrong to begin. And as for Simmons..... I think she's underrated. But I think you can criticize her for some of the same things you can say about Wood. She is my Lead Actress win for 1969, however. (The Happy Ending) And I'm not worried about your opinion. I like Wood, but I'm not in love with her or anything. I'm just always ready for a discussion. Cheers. That's cool. Appreciate a good discussion as well. One of the things I loved about Simmons was her ability to go toe to toe with some of the most commanding and gifted leading men of her era, and match them, if not occassionaly upstage them. Loved her romance with Kirk Douglas in Spartacus. She was such a great sparring partner to Marlon Brando in Guys And Dolls.Olivier in Hamlet....Mitchum in Angel Face, Lancaster in Elmer Gantry.For me, Simmons is in a similar level to Deborah Kerr. As to Wood,my entire list would look different if it specified "movie stars" as opposed to actors (yes, I know you can be great at being both). Wood is quite easily among the 50 most important female movies stars in film history, and she'd probably get my vote if I was leaning more specifically on that criteria
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Aug 5, 2018 0:55:57 GMT
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Aug 5, 2018 0:59:40 GMT
I don"t think Wood is anything to write home about in Rebel Without A Cause, she's completely miscast in Westside Story (Wood as a Hollywood Latina....seriously). yeah, Wood was very miscast in WSS but what about Splendor in the Grass, Gypsy, and This Property Is Condemned? She brought so much charm and charisma to those roles. If anything, I think #40 is too low.
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 5, 2018 1:28:02 GMT
A Dench should never be higher than a Smith, and even with this:  Cotillard still deserved a top 25 spot. Chris Nolan doesn't get enough grief for how lazy a director of actors he can be. Obviously, this is one of the shittiest death scenes in the history of cinema, and Cotilliard is atrocious in it. But this is why you have multiple takes in film....so you don't have to use the shittiest one. It's like Nolan got that one take in the can and called it a day. And he ended up having Cotilliard look a fool. He did the same thing with Christian Bale and that stupid Batman strep/cancer throat voice of his. Not only did he not have the sense to tell Bale to tone it down on set...When he saw the film in post, he didn't think to get Bale to get back and do ADR on it.
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Post by Sharbs on Aug 5, 2018 1:47:38 GMT
A Dench should never be higher than a Smith, and even with this:  Cotillard still deserved a top 25 spot. Chris Nolan doesn't get enough grief for how lazy a director of actors he can be. Obviously, this is one of the shittiest death scenes in the history of cinema, and Cotilliard is atrocious in it. But this is why you have multiple takes in film....so you don't have to use the shittiest one. It's like Nolan got that one take in the can and called it a day. And he ended up having Cotilliard look a fool. He did the same thing with Christian Bale and that stupid Batman strep/cancer throat voice of his. Not only did he not have the sense to tell Bale to tone it down on set...When he saw the film in post, he didn't think to get Bale to get back and do ADR on it. what makes that death scene worse as far as it being Nolan's fault is that Cotillard has said there were multiple tales of that scene and she was mad that was the one he used
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Post by Sharbs on Aug 5, 2018 1:53:02 GMT
Great job Helzapoppin for the hard work. Great prentation, loved those quotes ''twas a nice touch. So Saoirse should be represented in the next iteration given how close she was. Although part of me feels a little silly having not seen enough of a lot of these actress's to potentially include them. Also Julianne Moore being here felt wrong, she's had as many terrible performances as great performances and most of these actresses at their worst I would consider an average performance again at their worst, but Moore has a couple of the top of my head that are awful and in great films no less (Magnolia, The Hours)
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 5, 2018 1:55:02 GMT
Chris Nolan doesn't get enough grief for how lazy a director of actors he can be. Obviously, this is one of the shittiest death scenes in the history of cinema, and Cotilliard is atrocious in it. But this is why you have multiple takes in film....so you don't have to use the shittiest one. It's like Nolan got that one take in the can and called it a day. And he ended up having Cotilliard look a fool. He did the same thing with Christian Bale and that stupid Batman strep/cancer throat voice of his. Not only did he not have the sense to tell Bale to tone it down on set...When he saw the film in post, he didn't think to get Bale to get back and do ADR on it. what makes that death scene worse as far as it being Nolan's fault is that Cotillard has said there were multiple tales of that scene and she was mad that was the one he used Whaaaat.....!?!😠 So Nolan actually had other takes, and still used that one. Jesus. I think Nolan is just one of those directors who casts skilled actors and let's them do their thing, but doesn't really care much about the details of acting. 90% of the time he gets away with it, because he tends to hire the best actors in the business, but every so often his lack of care in this area leads to disasters like Cotillard.
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Post by bob-coppola on Aug 5, 2018 3:48:27 GMT
Bummed about Kidman not ranking higher, bur Huppert, Bergman, Davis and Hepburn are deserving of their placings. Kidman was 4th at her peak. Every year is Kidman's peak
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